Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[BruceVC]

As usual the LGBT influence gets exaggerated

Anders in DA2 is a completely different person compared to his previous appearance, and his personality can be summed up as "I'M GAAAAAAAAAAAY!"
It's the first RPG I can think of that pushes sexuality & romances directly on you.

Even CAD managed to do a funny at the time -- with a comic he'd be raked over the coals for now:

DAI has no attractive straight women at all. Cassandra was purposely made to look like a man according to the artist himself.

they're purposely made ugly
compare cassandra in dragon age 2 vs dragon age inquisition, including the developer commentary regarding her design process

Mike Laidlaw on Cassandra in DA2:

And then, obviously, we wanted to make sure she was hot. To dial her to eleven, to make her absolutely gorgeous, really enticing—yet at the same time, she's powerful, she's strong, she's wearing platemail

Casper Konefal on Cassandra in DA:I:

I just found beauty too subjective, too mushy too, too, well lets just say I didn't find it adequate ... Her face became all about her aggression. Through the angle of her facial structure to the angle of her ears. It all became about giving her a strong aggressive forward visual flow.

What about one of the greatest Romance arcs of all time, Isabella? Yes I know she is a bisexual option but I Romanced her as straight Romance and I dont remember any gay talk or similar things that seem to trigger people?

And I had Anders in my party and I only remember him hitting on me once and you just respond with something like " our relationship must be strictly professional " and he leaves you alone. He was openly gay but he doesnt hit on you the whole time unless you participate in it

 

[taxalot]

If Bioware romances are similar to the ones you experience IRL please post more in the blogdex thread.

 

[Roguey]

A company founded by, built up by and, ultimately, destroyed by white heterosexual men. A fitting end.

Gaider was extremely pivotal to establishing the Bioware writing style though.

 

[Lagole Gon]

>Be a med student.
>Instead of doing the reasonable thing and working as a doctor, follow your silly nerdy dream.
>Start a gaming company.
>Fuckin' succeed.
>Your company starts growing.
>Things get less personal. It's not just you and your friends anymore, it's a corporations now.
>You have some serious management problems, so you sell the company to EA devil.
>Turns out they actually are as bad as people said they were.
>Become a burnout.
>Leave the company.
>Ray becomes a generic souless corpoman.
>Greg starts "Beer Diaries" so he can call getting shitfaced constantly a day job.
>Bioware games turn into queer trainwrecks.
>You former colleague refuses to let Bioware classics rest in peace, he re-releases them and adds mostly bad content.
>Cringe characters like Neera are part of Baldur's Gate canon now.
>The ride never ends.

...

“Wealth can be wonderful, but success can test one’s mettle as surely as the strongest adversary.”

 

[Sarathiour]

At least, the memes on youtube will be entertaining and thus shutting the last nail in Bioware's coffin.

Bold of you to assume that EA will finally let thm have their final rest, and not perform some dark ritual of queeronecrogromancy on the putrid corpse that remain.

 

[yes plz]

Characters in DA2 were Hawkesexual. If you played as a female Hawke then the male options were straight and the female options gay, with the opposite being true for male Hawke. I think Anders' history even shifted slightly with the gender of his friend in the Chantry changing to match Hawke's.

 

[Roguey]

I think Anders' history even shifted slightly with the gender of his friend in the Chantry changing to match Hawke's.

Hepler claimed that Anders always fucked that dude, but he just didn't feel it was necessary to tell a female Hawke that (thinking it'd put her off).

 

[Infinitron]

Anders in DA2 is a completely different person compared to his previous appearance, and his personality can be summed up as "I'M GAAAAAAAAAAAY!"

I think this isn't quite right. He specifically turns into a "depressed gay man" stereotype, whereas in Awakening he was a happy-go-lucky type, almost an Alistair clone. Many people complained about this at the time.

 

[Sarathiour]

Fucking men up the ass is now basically the same as fucking women in the pussy

It's called bussy, get with the time boomer

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Anders in DA2 is a completely different person compared to his previous appearance, and his personality can be summed up as "I'M GAAAAAAAAAAAY!"

I think this isn't quite right. He specifically turns into a "depressed gay man" stereotype, whereas in Awakening he was a happy-go-lucky type, almost an Alistair clone. Many people complained about this at the time.

There's zero indication he's gay at all in DAO. He actually discusses having sex with women.

 

[Nano]

I think this isn't quite right. He specifically turns into a "depressed gay man" stereotype

The depressed gay stereotype was very relatable to teenage me.

Actually, it still is.

 

[Lacrymas]

Their is a massive difference between heterosexual and homosexual and that wont change

Socially and emotionally, kind of. Practically as a type of relationship in society not so much. Gay couples are still pressured to have a monogamous relationship and rear children, i.e. be convenient in a heteronormative society. It's only when people start not being monogamous and not actively trying to emulate a nuclear family that the real fun begins. This doesn't really have much to do with whether it's a gay or straight relationship, everyone can be non-monogamous or not want children. So no, there isn't a huge practical difference between the two.

RE: Anders - you don't get any indication about his sexuality if you don't flirt with him as a man if I remember correctly. I'm 100% sure you can never find out that he and Karl were a thing if you are playing as a woman. Zevran is the only Bioware companion which is upfront about it and you can't avoid it. Developers are extremely careful not to alienate homophobes, so you have to actively search out gay content in games to find it. It's called the gay button, look it up.

 

[NJClaw]

Zevran is the only Bioware companion which is upfront about it and you can't avoid it.

Don't know, man. I've always killed him on sight and, so far, I've been avoiding it just fine.

 

[Lacrymas]

I mean if you deign to talk to him :p

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I liked Dorian's character in DAI.

 

[vortex]

I don't mind if Dreadwolf is woke, I wouldn't like it if it's cringe.

 

[Lambach]

Zevran is the only Bioware companion which is upfront about it and you can't avoid it.

100% of Dorian's character is "my dad sent me to forced conversion therapy when I was younger".

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I don't mind if Dreadwolf is woke, I wouldn't like it if it's cringe.

I most likely won't like it since it's almost a given that they'll do a bad job in portraying the Eastern Roman Empire Tevinter Imperium.

 

[Ryzer]

>Turns out they actually are as bad as people said they were.

EA was in no way responsible for what happened at Bioware. Even the 1 year development window could have been used for an origin expansion.
They even gave massive funds.
Bioware sabotaged itself.

 

[jackofshadows]

Don't know, man. I've always killed him on sight and, so far, I've been avoiding it just fine.

You've missed out. DA:O has solid cast and Zevran is certainly an important part of it.

100% of Dorian's character is "my dad sent me to forced conversion therapy when I was younger".

He's kinda likable due to VO, the looks, pleasantly written dialogues etc but otherwise ^ this.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I liked Dorian's character in DAI.

I hated Zevran & DA2 Anders. Liked Dorian.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

He's kinda likable due to VO, the looks, pleasantly written dialogues etc

Speaking of pleasantly written dialogue, that parting talk in Tresspasser is peak bro moment.

 

[Lagole Gon]

>Turns out they actually are as bad as people said they were.

EA was in no way responsible for what happened at Bioware. Even the 1 year development window could have been used for an origin expansion.
They even gave massive funds.
Bioware sabotaged itself.

Console Licking Girl cameo in ME3 seems like an EA thing.
Biff McHuge character and bizzare promotion around him - seems like EA aiming for Gears of War crowd.
Didn't they have weird impossible plans for yearly Bioware releases?

I realize published are overbashed (Kotick was right about Schafer all along and we didn't listen), but there was some stereotypical "Evil EA" shit going on there.
I bet Roguey, knows all about it.

 

[Delterius]

I liked Dorian's character in DAI.

I hated Zevran & DA2 Anders. Liked Dorian.

dorian is probably the best written character in inquisition. he's a patriot who wants to change his country for the better. but he's still a nobleman. so while he's against blood sacrifice and the classism / racism and everything else associated with it - seeing it as an obsolete crutch that keeps tevinter from unlocking it's population's full potential - he's not a absolute progressive. he's not only ok with slavery, he actually thinks it's kinder to enslave debtors than to hold families as a servant class. and his belief doesn't exist in isolation either. there's a minor character in iron bull's second in command whose backstory is that they were tailors in tevinter and had been so for generations. one day a local slave-owner decided to score some political points and had his slaves make clothes and hand them out for free. the result was that the professional artisans went bankrupt and had to sell themselves as slaves.

tevinter is the most interesting part of the dragon age setting and the real problem is that an actual game set in tevinter is likely to squander the region's potential the same way dragon age 2's plot streamlined kirkwall into a city where every mage is a blood wizard madman and every templar is a psychotic madman.

 

[Roguey]

I hated Zevran & DA2 Anders. Liked Dorian.

Zevran and DA2 Anders were written by rotten women whereas Awakening Anders and Dorian were written by a gay man.

Wait never mind, Gaider also wrote Zevran.

I realize published are overbashed (Kotick was right about Schafer all along and we didn't listen), but there was some stereotypical "Evil EA" shit going on there.
I bet Roguey, knows all about it.

I have read that EA gave Bioware financial goals but they were given full autonomy with regard to how to meet those goals. The execution is all on Bioware.