Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[MjKorz]

It's a cargo cult of Larian marketing. Larian also targeted furry porn art and fanfic lovers, because they were largely unexplored territory for "renaissance CRPG" games. Bioware now is targeting almost exclusively furry porn art and fanfic lovers, which is a small part of BG3 players, despite disproportional marketing efforts.

That's probably the funniest thing about this.

Congratulations to bioware, they cornered the VN yaoi fangirl market. Too bad its not big enough to sustain AAA development prices, which is why most visual novels are made by one guy or girl in their basement using ren'py.

If Bioware are trying to cater to the furry market, then where are the Bioware's fluffy ladies? Even Obsidian seems to be doing more on that front with orlans, although in an entirely wrong way.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

It's a cargo cult of Larian marketing. Larian also targeted furry porn art and fanfic lovers, because they were largely unexplored territory for "renaissance CRPG" games. Bioware now is targeting almost exclusively furry porn art and fanfic lovers, which is a small part of BG3 players, despite disproportional marketing efforts.

That's probably the funniest thing about this.

Congratulations to bioware, they cornered the VN yaoi fangirl market. Too bad its not big enough to sustain AAA development prices, which is why most visual novels are made by one guy or girl in their basement using ren'py.

If Bioware are trying to cater to the furry market, then where are the Bioware's fluffy ladies? Even Obsidian seems to be doing more on that front with orlans, although in an entirely wrong way.

Masturbate to old Cullen screenshoots, as usual.

 

[Camel]

And then you read the fan poll and find out Solas is the most romanced companion in the game.

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https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1vi-9XTyIx2kvu4hXb309b0NvdWL7Ub_Yj73le6WXzpI/viewanalytics



Do women like butt ugly bald men? That doesn't seem to have historically been true.

Also there wasn't a male romance for Solas? Wow, that's surprising lol.

At least 37% of BioWare fans are faggots romancing Dorian and Iron Bull.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

If this game flops can we call it FailHard instead?
I think that's a much better and more accurate name than VeilGuard.

 

[S.torch]

Interesting, not sure if this is news

If the best example of writting by BioWare is Baldur's Gate 2 or Dragon Age: Origins, and the best example of Black Isle (Avellone) is Planescape: Torment, then the later completely mogs the floor with the former.

Not only because Torment has much greater atmosphere, characters and plot - which it has; but because there's something inherently vulgar and repelling about all BioWare games. Both in the more wide sense of the world and the original sense of lowly mundane. There's something about their writing and aesthetics that never stop crossing as ungenuine and mockery, even if not always present. Meanwhile Torment, which is set on a weirder and stranger world never rubbed me that way. Everywhere you go the characters are fun, serious, crazy, adorable or despicable, but never ungenuine. The stories told, including those that are not the main one are cautivating and the ending is truly moving. On top of being set on an exotic setting which is invariable harder to set in motion.

Any hack can take a world and fill it with idiocy, jokes and general unseriouness. Mid or decent writers can take generic and safe worlds like Forgotten Realms and make stories equally mid on it. But it takes more than a pinch of real talent to make a genuine story in a strange place like Planescape. These Bioware guys were never as good as they think they were.

 

[Elttharion]

Interesting, not sure if this is news

If the best example of writting by BioWare is Baldur's Gate 2 or Dragon Age: Origins, and the best example of Black Isle (Avellone) is Planescape: Torment, then the later completely mogs the floor with the former.

Not only because Torment has much greater atmosphere, characters and plot - which it has; but because there's something inherently vulgar and repelling about all BioWare games. Both in the more wide sense of the world and the original sense of lowly mundane. There's something about their writing and aesthetics that never stop crossing as ungenuine and mockery, even if not always present. Meanwhile Torment, which is set on a weirder and stranger world never rubbed me that way. Everywhere you go the characters are fun, serious, crazy, adorable or despicable, but never ungenuine. The stories told, including those that are not the main one are cautivating and the ending is truly moving. On top of being set on an exotic setting which is invariable harder to set in motion.

Any hack can take a world and fill it with idiocy, jokes and general unseriouness. Mid or decent writers can take generic and safe worlds like Forgotten Realms and make stories equally mid on it. But it takes more than a pinch of real talent to make a genuine story in a strange place like Planescape. These Bioware guys were never as good as they think they were.

The problem with Bioware is that, at least for me, there is always a feeling that the characters are cosplayers or LARPing actors, if that makes sense. The games never actually feel genuine or sincere, its as if these are normal people that were transplanted in a fantasy setting. Planescape otoh was a genuine and immersive peek at a strange and wondrous world. Sure, Bioware has declined massively since ME1 and DAO but even their best offerings were never at that level. Their best games remind me of a somewhat fun but generic game section with a DM who thinks he is better than what he actually is.

This is just my opinion, of course. I enjoyed some of their older titles quite a bit but there is always some veneer of insincerity, almost like a nagging feeling or a filter where I can see the man behind the curtain.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

Interesting, not sure if this is news

The problem with Bioware is that, at least for me, there is always a feeling that the characters are cosplayers or LARPing actors, if that makes sense.

I think this is part of a bigger process than just Bioware. I remember that one of the actresses of The Outer Worlds had several lines deleted because they did not give her a chance for self-expression. And this last word is the key if you want to understand why so many contemporary creative professions cannot produce anything good. Self-expression is a part of life, especially art, but for it all to have value, you must understand that there is not only you in the world and you do what you do for others. And they behave as if their work was to create their ideal version of the world in which they do not always get what they want. As a result, their work only serves them and therefore has no external value.

 

[Semiurge]

Interesting, not sure if this is news

If the best example of writting by BioWare is Baldur's Gate 2 or Dragon Age: Origins, and the best example of Black Isle (Avellone) is Planescape: Torment, then the later completely mogs the floor with the former.

Not only because Torment has much greater atmosphere, characters and plot - which it has; but because there's something inherently vulgar and repelling about all BioWare games. Both in the more wide sense of the world and the original sense of lowly mundane. There's something about their writing and aesthetics that never stop crossing as ungenuine and mockery, even if not always present. Meanwhile Torment, which is set on a weirder and stranger world never rubbed me that way. Everywhere you go the characters are fun, serious, crazy, adorable or despicable, but never ungenuine. The stories told, including those that are not the main one are cautivating and the ending is truly moving. On top of being set on an exotic setting which is invariable harder to set in motion.

Any hack can take a world and fill it with idiocy, jokes and general unseriouness. Mid or decent writers can take generic and safe worlds like Forgotten Realms and make stories equally mid on it. But it takes more than a pinch of real talent to make a genuine story in a strange place like Planescape. These Bioware guys were never as good as they think they were.

Pretty much the same feeling I've gotten about Bioware's characters. They are cliches and archetypes designed to be fuckable first and foremost, all other nuances are but flavor subservient to this highest purpose. Every character is a specific "type" that appeals to some certain subset of people sexually.

It's like those writers either do this knowingly, or they're only familiar with Harlequin novels where this kind of lame pandering is commonplace.

Interesting, not sure if this is news

The problem with Bioware is that, at least for me, there is always a feeling that the characters are cosplayers or LARPing actors, if that makes sense.

I think this is part of a bigger process than just Bioware. I remember that one of the actresses of The Outer Worlds had several lines deleted because they did not give her a chance for self-expression. And this last word is the key if you want to understand why so many contemporary creative professions cannot produce anything good. Self-expression is a part of life, especially art, but for it all to have value, you must understand that there is not only you in the world and you do what you do for others. And they behave as if their work was to create their ideal version of the world in which they do not always get what they want. As a result, their work only serves them and therefore has no external value.

Someone somewhere already underlined why - because Bioware writers self-insert. That's all that amateurs can do. They lack the wisdom, unique insight and the ability to create literary magic. Our most beloved authors possess these qualities that hacks can't even dream of.

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

You guys nailed it about old BioWare writing and characters not feeling genuine. I’m playing through Baldur’s Gate for the millionth time and the rampant faggotry is becoming more and more intolerable. It’s what happens when your writers are a bunch of level 100 neckbeards who think they’re way more clever than they are, and no one calls them out on their hacky shit because everyone around them thinks the same.

It’s why I much prefer the tone and style of IWD 1&2. Playing IWD after BG is always refreshing because the basic dialogue isn’t complete drivel.

 

[Storyfag]

If the best example of writting by BioWare is Baldur's Gate 2 or Dragon Age: Origins, and the best example of Black Isle (Avellone) is Planescape: Torment, then the later completely mogs the floor with the former.

Not only because Torment has much greater atmosphere, characters and plot - which it has; but because there's something inherently vulgar and repelling about all BioWare games. Both in the more wide sense of the world and the original sense of lowly mundane. There's something about their writing and aesthetics that never stop crossing as ungenuine and mockery, even if not always present. Meanwhile Torment, which is set on a weirder and stranger world never rubbed me that way. Everywhere you go the characters are fun, serious, crazy, adorable or despicable, but never ungenuine. The stories told, including those that are not the main one are cautivating and the ending is truly moving. On top of being set on an exotic setting which is invariable harder to set in motion.

Any hack can take a world and fill it with idiocy, jokes and general unseriouness. Mid or decent writers can take generic and safe worlds like Forgotten Realms and make stories equally mid on it. But it takes more than a pinch of real talent to make a genuine story in a strange place like Planescape. These Bioware guys were never as good as they think they were.

The problem with Bioware is that, at least for me, there is always a feeling that the characters are cosplayers or LARPing actors, if that makes sense. The games never actually feel genuine or sincere, its as if these are normal people that were transplanted in a fantasy setting. Planescape otoh was a genuine and immersive peek at a strange and wondrous world. Sure, Bioware has declined massively since ME1 and DAO but even their best offerings were never at that level. Their best games remind me of a somewhat fun but generic game section with a DM who thinks he is better than what he actually is.

This is just my opinion, of course. I enjoyed some of their older titles quite a bit but there is always some veneer of insincerity, almost like a nagging feeling or a filter where I can see the man behind the curtain.

At the very least, BG 1 and 2 have such ungenuine sections.

 

[Camel]

At the very least, BG 1 and 2 have such ungenuine sections.

Like Siege of Dragonspear.

I’m playing through Baldur’s Gate for the millionth time and the rampant faggotry is becoming more and more intolerable.

Such as?

 

[HammyTheFat]

designed to be fuckable first and foremost

before inquisition, sure.

 

[Semiurge]

designed to be fuckable first and foremost

before inquisition, sure.

Funny how they usually get the male faces right and balanced, like Cullen in DA:I. Then there's these females with at least one feature that sticks out grotesquely.

 

[Peachcurl]

All weird attempts at self-inserts, probably. Actual males don't work there anymore.

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

Such as?

The way the vast majority of dialogue responses are written, the way a lot of the characters are written, the way a lot of the voiced dialogue is written and delivered. It’s like one giant inside joke.

 

[Tyranicon]

Morrigan broke her back shouldering the fanservice for this entire series.

 

[Camel]

The way the vast majority of dialogue responses are written, the way a lot of the characters are written, the way a lot of the voiced dialogue is written and delivered. It’s like one giant inside joke.

So still no examples of "rampant faggotry".

 

[Semiurge]

Such as?

The way the vast majority of dialogue responses are written, the way a lot of the characters are written, the way a lot of the voiced dialogue is written and delivered. It’s like one giant inside joke.

"We're ironic, teehee"

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

The way the vast majority of dialogue responses are written, the way a lot of the characters are written, the way a lot of the voiced dialogue is written and delivered. It’s like one giant inside joke.

So still no examples of "rampant faggotry".

No, I’m not wasting my time giving you specific examples off the top of my head, which is why I’m speaking generally. I really don’t care if you agree with me because the rampant faggotry is there.

 

[Elttharion]

Hello fellow gamers!1!1! Arent you also excited for the newest Bioware™ RPG in the epic fantasy award winning Dragon Age franchise? Teheheh

From our friends on reddit:

This is lending further credence to my theory that they really let them cook this time. From first impressions at SGF that said that the game ran flawlessly, to them talking about features like transmog and mirror transformation, which in previous games either wouldn't exist or would be patched in later.

Also some of the leaks around its development that it's basically been done for almost a year, and they've done nothing but polish and bugfix for all of that time.

Gives me hope.

From everything we’ve seen and heard so far it’s been obvious to me that everyone working on the game has a genuine love for Dragon Age as a whole.

This is my big takeaway as well. That doesn't necessarily mean the game is going to be great of course, but it gives me a lot of optimism knowing that the team clearly cares not just about the project, but are obviously very passionate about the franchise itself. I feel like it's in good hands, or at the very least, the hands of people who want to take care of the world we love

Yea this is honestly one of those times where I went from having no idea when or what the game would be like. To absolutely every new bit of news making me more excited for it.

May not be the direction everyone was hoping for, but nothing ever will be. And this direction looks extremely my jam.

And I'm very happy to see more of that sentiment growing!

Signed: totally not a bot or paid shill

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

Hello fellow gamers!1!1! Arent you also excited for the newest Bioware™ RPG in the epic fantasy award winning Dragon Age franchise? Teheheh

From our friends on reddit:

This is lending further credence to my theory that they really let them cook this time. From first impressions at SGF that said that the game ran flawlessly, to them talking about features like transmog and mirror transformation, which in previous games either wouldn't exist or would be patched in later.

Also some of the leaks around its development that it's basically been done for almost a year, and they've done nothing but polish and bugfix for all of that time.

Gives me hope.

From everything we’ve seen and heard so far it’s been obvious to me that everyone working on the game has a genuine love for Dragon Age as a whole.

This is my big takeaway as well. That doesn't necessarily mean the game is going to be great of course, but it gives me a lot of optimism knowing that the team clearly cares not just about the project, but are obviously very passionate about the franchise itself. I feel like it's in good hands, or at the very least, the hands of people who want to take care of the world we love

Yea this is honestly one of those times where I went from having no idea when or what the game would be like. To absolutely every new bit of news making me more excited for it.

May not be the direction everyone was hoping for, but nothing ever will be. And this direction looks extremely my jam.

And I'm very happy to see more of that sentiment growing!

Signed: totally not a bot or paid shill

Gotta love Reddit shills. Reminds me of the disastrous Diablo 4 launch and copious amounts of disingenuous cope posting.

“As a 40-year-old dad gamer, I actually like how dumbed down and simplistic the game is now!”

 

[HammyTheFat]

The way the vast majority of dialogue responses are written, the way a lot of the characters are written, the way a lot of the voiced dialogue is written and delivered. It’s like one giant inside joke.

So still no examples of "rampant faggotry".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr8-5Fn_6XY

First result too.

 

[9ted6]

Such as?

The way the vast majority of dialogue responses are written, the way a lot of the characters are written, the way a lot of the voiced dialogue is written and delivered. It’s like one giant inside joke.

"We're ironic, teehee"

Speaking of ironic faggotry in dialogue I've heard that the main reason Veilguard's dialogue is so shallow and dumbed down isn't just because the writers suck, but a cost saving measure to avoid complicated translations and to make sure other language VAs do as little work as possible. I can believe it, and I think it's the same reason all the NPCs are playersexual and don't even acknowledge the PC as male or female. They wanna shit this out the door as quickly and cheaply as possible and hope against hope that enough people will buy it to fuck their one dimensional cardboard companions.

 

[Camel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr8-5Fn_6XY

First result too.

He wrote about "the rampant faggotry" in Baldur’s Gate, not Dragon Age or BG3.

I’m playing through Baldur’s Gate for the millionth time and the rampant faggotry is becoming more and more intolerable.

 

[HammyTheFat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr8-5Fn_6XY

First result too.

He wrote about "the rampant faggotry" in Baldur’s Gate, not Dragon Age or BG3.

I’m playing through Baldur’s Gate for the millionth time and the rampant faggotry is becoming more and more intolerable.

Not even bg3?

Companions barely even TALK in bg1.