Decline Dreamfall Chapters - Console Immersion Action Decline Kickstarter [Spoilers]

[Blackthorne]

Gah. Who knows. I'm holding a Kickstarter with a $1.5 million dollar goal to make a 3D version of Quest For Infamy.


Bt

 

[evdk]

Wouldn't a kickstarter to fund a remake of the original make more for them rather than this? Or just saying if this sells well after it's finished they could fund a remake of the original? I've just never seen a crowdfunding campaign on any website that tries to sell you multiple games for one pledge that has gone well.

The Jane Jensen KS was for more than one game, IIRC.

 

[Blackthorne]

Wouldn't a kickstarter to fund a remake of the original make more for them rather than this? Or just saying if this sells well after it's finished they could fund a remake of the original? I've just never seen a crowdfunding campaign on any website that tries to sell you multiple games for one pledge that has gone well.

The Jane Jensen KS was for more than one game, IIRC.

The Jane Jensen KS started out as funding "Pinkerton Road" her production company, until it was realized that it was against KS rules to fund a company.... so they made a list of games to choose from, and people chose Moebius. Then she announced that she had a "Mystery Game X" that a publisher was going to make. So there was that. Fans money and traditional funding.

Bt

 

[80Maxwell08]

Wouldn't a kickstarter to fund a remake of the original make more for them rather than this? Or just saying if this sells well after it's finished they could fund a remake of the original? I've just never seen a crowdfunding campaign on any website that tries to sell you multiple games for one pledge that has gone well.

The Jane Jensen KS was for more than one game, IIRC.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1005365109/jane-jensens-pinkerton-road-2012-2013-csg
Huh never heard about that one. Well good for them I suppose.

 

[toro]

The Longest Journey Home will pick up right where The Longest Journey left off, filling in the 10-year gap unaccounted for in Dreamfall. But it will also extend beyond Dreamfall Chapters and conclude April’s adventure. And that comes as good news to the players that have been so invested in her fate over the last dozen years. April’s a special character, in part because she’s sometimes so--ordinary. As Tørnquist says, “She didn't feel like your typical game heroine: she felt like an actual person, like someone you might know. Someone you'd want to know. She had flaws, she was insecure, she struggled with her newfound powers and her destiny. She had doubts, she was close to giving up, but didn't. She had […] humanity. She had a soul.”

It really is blackmail.

Fuck this.

 

[MicoSelva]

It really is blackmail.

This. Give us another million dollars, or we we abort the April Ryan storyline, MWHAHAHAHA. Who knows, we may even kill her!

 

[DalekFlay]

I get the rage but... meh. I liked both original games.

 

[RRRrrr]

Fuck it, I might not even pirate their shitty 3d console DFC. I knew they were morons, but I never imagined them having no fucking human decency whatsoever. I hope people withdraw their pledges or at least not giving them more money. It is shocking how many "gamers" suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[machineface]

I dont really get the rage all they said their doing is http://redthreadgames.com/blog/2/3/2013/for-pledgers-some-information-about-the-longest-journey-home using money raised beyond 1.5M to make a prototype and hopefully the funds from the sale of dreamfall chapters through steam and gog would be enough to cover tljh they never said if they dont get 2 mill they would abandon it they just wouldnt start the prototype till after dreamfall chapters was out instead of while winding down. I dont think its blackmail just having funds there to keep everyone working moving into the next project.

 

[J_C]

Yes, making a whole new game, and asking for additional fund for that is blackmail. They will make another game for that additional funding FFS! You are really this retarded? You are a bunch of retarded faggots, who can't even read, and start to yell decline about every news. They didn't say that they had 10 additional hours of gameplay and April's storyline in Dreamfall Chapters, and they won't do it if they don't reach 2 million. They said that they will make a new game!!! How is that different from other kickstarters, where they ask for more money for additional storylines in games,

The Codex really went nuts in the last few monhts. People just shout betrayal for every little thing, about every detail that they didn't like. Sometimes they don't even comprehend what others say (like in this case).

 

[FeelTheRads]

For once in my life I agree with J_C.
This "holding the game hostage" or whatever is seriously dumbfuck retarded shit. In that case, anything on Kickstarter is "held hostage".

 

[Glyphwright]

Codexers don't realize that you can't make a video game without funding. If the developers can't convince a publisher to fund their adventure series, because their adventure series is heavily plot-driven and unlikely to generate much revenue off the brain-dead consoletard public, they are faced with two options - give up on making sequels, or turn to charity as a source of funding.

Codexers will have you believe that saying "If you give us two million, we will have enough money to produce not one, but two sequels to this series" is a form of blackmail. In other words, Codexers believe that the developers are obliged to providing them a video game they want, whether they have enough finances for it, or not. Codexers believe they are entitled to a video game that hasn't even been created yet. That is what holding something hostage means - you have a game, but you won't give it to anyone unless they satisfy your requirements.

THE LONGEST JOURNEY DEVELOPING STUDIO DOES NOT HAVE A GAME. THEY ARE NOT HOLDING A GAME HOSTAGE, BECAUSE THE GAME DOES NOT YET EXIST. THEY ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH THE FINANCES THAT WILL MAKE THIS GAME POSSIBLE, BECAUSE COMMERCIAL FIRMS WON'T.

Fuck, the Codex is breaking all records in the "Abysmally Moronic Super-Entitled Mega-Dumbfuck Cunt-Whiner Ultra-Nerd" category.


Personally, I believe this has the potential to be great news. Not only do we get a proper sequel/conclusion to Zoe's story of Dreamfall, but we might also get an oldschool 2D adventure game that focuses on April Ryan and the over-arching plot of the series. Basically, this is going to be awesome - provided they get enough funding. You have to remmeber, that both Dreamfall Chapters and TLJ2 (if it gets made) are made purely for fans of the original games - nobody in the whole white world knows anything about April Ryan, Arcadia, or the Guardian of Balance, these games have an approximately 0.2% chance of being commercially successful, this is 100% nerdtastic gratification.

What does the Codex do, when faced with the prospect of not one, but two great adventure stories, made purely for the fans? That's right, it scoffs, whines, spouts bile, and throws insults. Someone kill this retarded shithole of a webspace, already.


P.S. I'll just leave the definition of the word "blackmail" right here, make your own conclusions.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail
black·mail
1. a. Extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat of exposing a criminal act or discreditable information. b. Something of value extorted in this manner.
2. Tribute formerly paid to freebooters along the Scottish border for protection from pillage.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail
The crime involving a threat for purposes of compelling a person to do an act against his or her will, or for purposes of taking the person's money or property.
The term blackmail originally denoted a payment made by English persons residing along the border of Scotland to influential Scottish chieftains in exchange for protection from thieves and marauders.
In blackmail the threat might consist of physical injury to the threatened person or to someone loved by that person, or injury to a person's reputation. In some cases the victim is told that an illegal act he or she had previously committed will be exposed if the victim fails to comply with the demand.
Although blackmail is generally synonymous with Extortion, some states distinguish the offenses by requiring that the former be in writing.
Blackmail is punishable by a fine, imprisonment, or both.

 

[Jaesun]

Who is this codex person you speak of? I don't see that person commenting in this thread?

 

[evdk]

Yes, making a whole new game, and asking for additional fund for that is blackmail. They will make another game for that additional funding FFS! You are really this retarded? You are a bunch of retarded faggots, who can't even read, and start to yell decline about every news. They didn't say that they had 10 additional hours of gameplay and April's storyline in Dreamfall Chapters, and they won't do it if they don't reach 2 million. They said that they will make a new game!!! How is that different from other kickstarters, where they ask for more money for additional storylines in games,

The Codex really went nuts in the last few monhts. People just shout betrayal for every little thing, about every detail that they didn't like. Sometimes they don't even comprehend what others say (like in this case).

They are impying that if you send them more money they will try to make a completely different game happen. If it will work out. Maybe. It's the same principle as when morons were claiming that supporting FO: POS will assure that Van Buren would be made. Guess what we got? That's right, FO: POS2.

 

[RRRrrr]

Give me a break. It is clear that the game will not make 1 more million in such short time and this is another marketing trick to manipulate hardcore fans into giving more money, hoping to eventually get a proper adventure game. If they really wanted to make another game, they would have done another kickstarter. This is clearly not about making a second game but for milking fans to the last dollar. Emotionally manipulating people in such way is just ugly.

Codexers don't realize that you can't make a video game without funding. If the developers can't convince a publisher to fund their adventure series, because their adventure series is heavily plot-driven and unlikely to generate much revenue off the brain-dead consoletard public, they are faced with two options - give up on making sequels, or turn to charity as a source of funding.

Codexers will have you believe that saying "If you give us two million, we will have enough money to produce not one, but two sequels to this series" is a form of blackmail. In other words, Codexers believe that the developers are obliged to providing them a video game they want, whether they have enough finances for it, or not. Codexers believe they are entitled to a video game that hasn't even been created yet. That is what holding something hostage means - you have a game, but you won't give it to anyone unless they satisfy your requirements.

Are you a fucking retarded? Some codexers explicitly said they's fund it if it were a separate kickstarter. How does this qualify as not knowing video games need funding? Pull your head out of your ass. It is that people (codexers?) want their money to go to to the proper 2d adventure game and not to a shitty console abomination, not that they are entitled to games.

What guarantee do we have that this would not be a show 4 hour tribute and the rest of the 2 million would not go to making Capters? None. And that is if the 2 million are met at all. Why should people who want TLJ: Home have to contribute to the shitty Chapters? This is just an immoral attempt to emotionally manipulate fans and nothing more.

 

[J_C]

Give me a break. It is clear that the game will not make 1 more million in such short time and this is another marketing trick to manipulate hardcore fans into giving more money, hoping to eventually get a proper adventure game. If they really wanted to make another game, they would have done another kickstarter. This is clearly not about making a second game but for milking fans to the last dollar. Emotionally manipulating people in such way is just ugly.

Isn't every high level stretchgoal of every kickstarter the same? Devs usually put an unreachable level at the end, which might urge some people to pledge more.

Better yet, show me one kickstarter, where the purpose of the stretchgoals is not to milk the fans of their money. They are setting up stuff, that could be in the game even without additional funding. Yet they say that if you give us more money, we will put extra stuff in the game.

What guarantee do we have that this would not be a show 4 hour tribute and the rest of the 2 million would not go to making Capters?

Most of the 2 million WILL go to Chapters. But they will have enough money to start preproduction of TLJ2.
http://redthreadgames.com/blog/2/3/2013/for-pledgers-some-information-about-the-longest-journey-home

 

[80Maxwell08]

Is it me or did this jump around a hundred grand since yesterday?

 

[Glyphwright]

Are you a fucking retarded? Some codexers explicitly said they's fund it if it were a separate kickstarter. How does this qualify as not knowing video games need funding? Pull your head out of your ass. It is that people (codexers?) want their money to go to to the proper 2d adventure game and not to a shitty console abomination, not that they are entitled to games.

What guarantee do we have that this would not be a show 4 hour tribute and the rest of the 2 million would not go to making Capters? None. And that is if the 2 million are met at all. Why should people who want TLJ: Home have to contribute to the shitty Chapters? This is just an immoral attempt to emotionally manipulate fans and nothing more.

No, I'm not a Codexer, therefore I'm not fucking retarded. Read what the developer actually has to say about the project:

With the $2 million, however, we can begin writing, designing and creating concepts and background art for TLJH in preparation for full production. In other words, we will be greenlighting pre-production on the 2D sequel to The Longest Journey, making sure everything is in place for when we have the capacity to move forward with the game.

The $2 million won't cover the production costs of both games, far from it, and the bulk of the money will still go to making Dreamfall Chapters as deep, rich, immersive and rewarding as possible. But pre-production work will begin on TLJH before Chapters is released -- if, that is, we reach our stretch goal.

Regarding rewards: TLJH is a stretch goal, and the $2 million will NOT cover production costs on the game. While TLJH will be cheaper to produce than Dreamfall Chapters, that money will only be able to get us so far in terms of early pre-production and design work, and we will need to raise additional funding for TLJH if and when the game enters production.

Have you read that, retard? Have you read the statement, instead of your feverish dork fantasies?

They cannot start a separate kickstarter for TLJ 2, because TLJ2 has not yet reached the Kickstarter phase. Giving more money to the Dreamfall Chapters fundraiser will serve almost entirely to fund Dreamfall Chapters. That's what the Red Thread Games says. A bit hard to scam people out of their money by making them think they are giving money towards TLJ2 production, WHEN THE STUDIO IS SAYING LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THIS MONEY WILL NOT GO TOWARDS TLJ2 PRODUCTION. You can't scam people and not scam them at the same time, it's retarded.

What guarantee do we have that this would not be a show 4 hour tribute and the rest of the 2 million would not go to making Capters? None.

You are an imbecile of imbeciles who can't read black letters on a white background forming simple words in the English language, joint by punctuation marks. Read, now:

The $2 million won't cover the production costs of both games, far from it, and the bulk of the money will still go to making Dreamfall Chapters as deep, rich, immersive and rewarding as possible. But pre-production work will begin on TLJH before Chapters is released -- if, that is, we reach our stretch goal.

The 2 million goal will serve two purposes:
1. Making Dreamfall Chapters complete and rewarding;
2. Pre-production work on TLJ2, such as concept art, background art, some writing, some design. If the studio manages to do pre-production on TLJ2 while producing Dreamfall Chapters, WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT A LESS AMOUNT OF TIME FOR TLJ2 TO BE RELEASED. This also means that, if all goes well, TLJ2 will get its own Kickstarter, when it enters production phase. SO FAR IT HASN'T EVEN ENTERED PRE-PRODUCTION. THAT'S WHAT THE 2 MILLION GOAL IS FOR, TO HELP TLJ2 ENTER PRODUCTION FASTER.


Oh, and your conspiracy theories are laughable. A small and largely obscure game developing studio does not begin making sequels to a mostly forgotten two-game series in a long-dead genre, relying almost entirely on charity and fan support, in order to scam people out of their money. These guys have had a deep, compelling, and earnest story of two worlds and charming characters who inhabit them for more than a decade now. They want to finish telling that story, no matter what. If you don't like TLJ and/or Dreamfall - open the nearest window and jump outside without a parachute. This thread is for people who did.

 

[evdk]

Point and click adventures are not dead, piss off Liberal.

 

[Grunker]

Yes, making a whole new game, and asking for additional fund for that is blackmail. They will make another game for that additional funding FFS! You are really this retarded? You are a bunch of retarded faggots, who can't even read, and start to yell decline about every news. They didn't say that they had 10 additional hours of gameplay and April's storyline in Dreamfall Chapters, and they won't do it if they don't reach 2 million. They said that they will make a new game!!! How is that different from other kickstarters, where they ask for more money for additional storylines in games,

The Codex really went nuts in the last few monhts. People just shout betrayal for every little thing, about every detail that they didn't like. Sometimes they don't even comprehend what others say (like in this case).

You are a fucking retard yourself, mate, if we're gonna use them big words. They're doing this to make everybody who hated Dreamfall donate to it anyways in the hopes of getting a 2D game. That is fucking bullshit. Just like it was when Shaker did it.

They want to make a 2D-game? Fine, then make a Kickstarter for it, I'll happily donate. But they don't, do they? They want to make one for a tiny amount of money, and use the rest of the difference for their full-fledged 3D game.

I'm okay with the 3D game, but I think it's bullshit that they say to guys like Jaesun and evdk: "You want that sweet 2D game you've been waiting for? Give us some money to make Dreamfall and we'll do that for you!"

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

 

[J_C]

But they explicitly say that they won't use that tiny amount of money from the 2 million to make the 2D game. They will just start pre-production, thus helping the development of their next game. Most of the 2 million will go to Chapters.

They're doing this to make everybody who hated Dreamfall donate to it anyways in the hopes of getting a 2D game.

I don't agree. They are doing this for those who loved both Dreamfall and TLJ. Because this money will help th sequel of both of them.

 

[Glyphwright]

The Codex need to fuck off and die. From reality.

 

[Grunker]

But they explicitly say that they won't use that tiny amount of money from the 2 million to make the 2D game. They will just start pre-production, thus helping the development of their next game. Most of the 2 million will go to Chapters.

They're doing this to make everybody who hated Dreamfall donate to it anyways in the hopes of getting a 2D game.

I don't agree. They are doing this for those who loved both Dreamfall and TLJ. Because this money will help th sequel of both of them.

Bull-to-the-motherfucking-shit. Why not make two Kickstarters then? Riddle me that, you fucking apologist. What do you do if you don't want Dreamfall but do want TLJH? Nothing. 'cause they don't leave you no way. And seeing as how it's extremely unlikely they're going to 2 mil, even if you were right and they were totally going to use every cent of the 500.000 above 1.5 mill for TLJH, they're probably not gonna make it to 2 mil anyway.

 

[Glyphwright]

Why not make two Kickstarters then?

Because it is abysmally moronic to make a Kickstarter for a project that won't enter the production phase for years, during which the studio will be busy with a different game?

What do you do if you don't want Dreamfall but do want TLJH?

Wait for Red Thread Games to finish developing Dreamfall Chapters, and donate to TLJ2 once it enters the production phase. If you donate to Dreamfall Chapters today, TLJ2 will enter production sooner, because the pre--production will be completed by the time of Dreamfall Chapter release. Oh, what are you supposed to do if you don't want Dreamfall Chapters to be made, period? Soaping up the rope should do the trick.

Fuck, this place is stupid. Someone burn it with napalm and nuclear fire, already.

 

[J_C]

But they explicitly say that they won't use that tiny amount of money from the 2 million to make the 2D game. They will just start pre-production, thus helping the development of their next game. Most of the 2 million will go to Chapters.

They're doing this to make everybody who hated Dreamfall donate to it anyways in the hopes of getting a 2D game.

I don't agree. They are doing this for those who loved both Dreamfall and TLJ. Because this money will help th sequel of both of them.

Bull-to-the-motherfucking-shit. Why not make two Kickstarters then? Riddle me that, you fucking apologist. What do you do if you don't want Dreamfall but do want TLJH? Nothing. 'cause they don't leave you no way. And seeing as how it's extremely unlikely they're going to 2 mil, even if you were right and they were totally going to use every cent of the 500.000 above 1.5 mill for TLJH, they're probably not gonna make it to 2 mil anyway.

They are a new, small company, do you really think they will run 2 kickstarters simultaniously? If you want TLJ2, wait until they finish Chapters. They said that TLJ2 WILL happen. It will just happen sooner if they reach 2 million sooner, because they will have some money to use on pre-production. Why is this so hard to comprehend?