ELEX ELEX RELEASE THREAD

[rusty_shackleford]

Giving every enemy a ranged attack is and a cover for poor AI. If I can get to a high ground and have an advantage over an enemy then I should be able to exploit that advantage. If an enemy wants to escape my fire it should hide behind something and force me out into the open, not just retaliate with a heat-seeking ranged attack despite being a fucking rat.

 

[unfairlight]

It isn't heatseeking, it's just predictive. If you consistently move in one direction, it will hit you as it should instead of being like 99% of games where moving steadily in one direction will make you impossible to hit by all projectiles. If you zig zag they won't hit you. It's just a balancing factor for the jetpack in combat.

 

[adddeed]

Giving every enemy a ranged attack is and a cover for poor AI. If I can get to a high ground and have an advantage over an enemy then I should be able to exploit that advantage. If an enemy wants to escape my fire it should hide behind something and force me out into the open, not just retaliate with a heat-seeking ranged attack despite being a fucking rat.

Ugh, you can ALWAYS get to high ground in the game. Its very vertical and there are ruins everywhere. Ranged attacks are to balance this out. You're just some retard who only plays easy games. And a loser too having made 4000 posts in a year. Get a life.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Giving every enemy a ranged attack is and a cover for poor AI. If I can get to a high ground and have an advantage over an enemy then I should be able to exploit that advantage. If an enemy wants to escape my fire it should hide behind something and force me out into the open, not just retaliate with a heat-seeking ranged attack despite being a fucking rat.

Ugh, you can ALWAYS get to high ground in the game. Its very vertical and there are ruins everywhere. Ranged attacks are to balance this out. You're just some retard who only plays easy games. And a loser too having made 4000 posts in a year. Get a life.

Yeah because it's too much to expect PB to be capable of making non-shit AI and instead just give every monster a fireball.
The PB apologists are the worst.

 

[Darth Roxor]

well i'm glad you took my advice to heart and instead went for ris3n, the less demanding game for a less demanding gamer

 

[rusty_shackleford]

well i'm glad you took my advice to heart and instead went for ris3n, the less demanding game for a less demanding gamer

I already beat elex twice, I was finally doing a berserker playthrough. Nothing in the game is difficult.
Imagine actually defending a game having bad AI because you think it makes it more difficult somehow

 

[Darth Roxor]

imagine being incapable of side stepping

 

[rusty_shackleford]

imagine being incapable of side stepping

How does that justify it having absolutely terrible AI?

 

[Darth Roxor]

seems like p. good ai if you can't dodge its master-planned carefully aimed heat-seaking ranged attacks

 

[rusty_shackleford]

PB could shit on a plate and its fanboys would call it delicious chocolate icecream.

 

[Darth Roxor]

PB could shit on a plate and its fanboys would call it delicious chocolate icecream.

and yet you're the one praising ris3n in another thread

 

[pOcHa]

git gud noob

 

[rusty_shackleford]

seems like p. good ai if you can't dodge its master-planned carefully aimed heat-seaking ranged attacks

It's not that they can't be dodged, it's that they were programmed by someone who has zero experience actually programming for videogames.
The moment you realize they aim using prediction based on where you'll be at the current player's velocity trajectory exactly when the projectile hits is when you realize just how easy it is to dodge by simply moving in the opposite direction as soon as they fire.
The problem here is now twofold: The AI for a biological creature has computer-like pinpoint accuracy with zero error, and it's amusingly easy to deceive because it's so simplistic.
This isn't difficult or good design. This is all around terrible and something you'd expect from someone who has no experience at this sort of thing.
The AI is so bad that the workaround for easily abusing the AI can be easily abused.

What's even worse than the AI is that people will defend it

 

[unfairlight]

The problem here is now twofold: The AI for a biological creature has computer-like pinpoint accuracy with zero error

Name an alternative. Randomly hitting you? Never hitting you if you even have the slightest bit of movement? All it does is just force you to keep your movement less predictable and force you to git gud, like you would against a human in a FPS. You don't stand still or move steadily in one direction in multiplayer FPS because that makes you easily tracked and hit, you WASDance, click crouch to prevent headshots and throw off the enemy's tracking so you can maintain a HP advantage.
Just learn to play and stop being butthurt that a rat swatted you out of the sky once. You failed, now you learned. Keep what you learned in mind when you go up against multiple enemies with ranged attacks in the future. There's things to complain about but the AI being decent enough to hit a moving enemy is not one of them.

 

[T. Reich]

It's not that they can't be dodged, it's that they were programmed by someone who has zero experience actually programming for videogames.

"BAWWW I suck at videogames so it's obviously a game developer's fault for making them so hard shitty!"

...I think I found a game journo, folks!

 

[fantadomat]

well i'm glad you took my advice to heart and instead went for ris3n, the less demanding game for a less demanding gamer

I already beat elex twice, I was finally doing a berserker playthrough. Nothing in the game is difficult.
Imagine actually defending a game having bad AI because you think it makes it more difficult somehow

Ahhhh americans and PB games. You remind me of whiny john.

 

[Murk]

PB could shit on a plate and its fanboys would call it delicious chocolate icecream.

I appreciate your glorious last stand, but this is clearly not true given how much Gothic 2 fanboys like me trash Risen 2 and Risen 3.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Name an alternative

If I'm getting shot at and can't get to what's shooting at me maybe I'd hide behind an obstacle or run away.
That would require actual AI though.
The argument of "heh just learn to play" falls apart when you realize I'm advocating for making it more difficult.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

ELEX's projectile enemy attacks are beautifully programmed. They will anticipate your movement and shoot accordingly, so you have to mix it up while you escape or dodge them. I remember remarking in an LP video of mine how the enemies will miss you if you are unpredictable in your movement, which was a nice feature, rather than the alternative of getting hit every time like in some games.

You really just need to learn the game and stop bitching. It's a great system.

 

[fantadomat]

I do get annoyed at all the dark souls retards. Muh DS is hardcore and very hard,only for hardcore gymerrz. Then some PB comes and all those faggots get killed by a chicken and go,muh the game is broken and stupid hard hurr durr bad mechanics,etc etc. Fuck,amercians are stupid, prizing a game with invincibility in it. Even their latest game have a fucking no damage taken block and the invincibility rolling,tho it is less of a tumbling simulator.

 

[unfairlight]

If I'm getting shot at and can't get to what's shooting at me maybe I'd hide behind an obstacle or run away.

If I had a method of counter attack I would use it.
Yes, it's true that the ideal would be enemies laying down suppressive fire with fire and manoeuvre flanking routines and squad and fireteam level tactics, but that's something that military simulators barely have, so who the fuck would care about trash mobs in RPGs having it? Having something like that is nigh impossible in a ARPG with a big world and enemies just running away at the slightest difficulty in reaching you would be boring as fuck.

realize I'm advocating for making it more difficult.

Enemies running away instead of attacking you isn't something that I would consider harder.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

See my Skyrim Syndrome thread to understand why people think the game is broken. They'll fight a troll at level 1 for 2 hours and not even realize they are playing the game wrong. Then give it a 3/10 score or a negative review on Steam saying it's broken. That's why devs need to explain in tutorials better as to why a game is built like it is, so newbs can try and understand it more before knocking it in a review.

 

[Abu Antar]

I've watched the videos of "heat seeking rocks". That player was a moron. I'm half blind and could dodge projectiles. And every enemy does not have ranged attacks. Many do, but I remember cheesing some enemies early on by standing on higher ground.

 

[fantadomat]

Every PB game is meant to be played with a bow and arrow....except risen 2&3.

 

[Ismaul]

In PB games melee is where it's at. Parry and time your attacks. Good challenge. Ranged feels like a cheat.