In Progress Emperor of Nothing [40k CYOA]

[Lithium Flower]

My dudes, the Eldar are more desperate for this alliance than we are because they went through the trouble of resurrecting a primarch to secure it prior to making a decision prior to making the decision. They aren't going to go like "welp, so much for that, time to fuck off lol" just because we are going to take the time to humor the other offers. There is no reason we can't try to get a better deal by hearing the other xenos first - this is like negotiation 101.

 

[Baltika9]

What better deal? They are already offering an alliance and eventual integration. Coming from the Eldar, that is already a ton. What else do you expect them to put on the table?

 

[Lithium Flower]

Usury your expertise is needed here

 

[Lithium Flower]

What better deal? They are already offering an alliance and eventual integration. Coming from the Eldar, that is already a ton. What else do you expect them to put on the table?

You are saying that there is zero chance they would try to sweeten the pot if we elect to speak with the Castrato Brigade and Techno Skellington before agreeing to the alliance?

 

[Baltika9]

What better deal? They are already offering an alliance and eventual integration. Coming from the Eldar, that is already a ton. What else do you expect them to put on the table?

You are saying that there is zero chance they would try to sweeten the pot if we elect to speak with the Castrato Brigade and Techno Skellington before agreeing to the alliance?

I'm saying that they don't have much more to give. My question is not rhetorical, I want to know what else do you expect them to put on the table.

 

[Lithium Flower]

What better deal? They are already offering an alliance and eventual integration. Coming from the Eldar, that is already a ton. What else do you expect them to put on the table?

You are saying that there is zero chance they would try to sweeten the pot if we elect to speak with the Castrato Brigade and Techno Skellington before agreeing to the alliance?

I'm saying that they don't have much more to give. My question is not rhetorical, I want to know what else do you expect them to put on the table.

Blackjack and hookers.

 

[Kipeci]

A

Baltika has me convinced.

 

[Baltika9]

What better deal? They are already offering an alliance and eventual integration. Coming from the Eldar, that is already a ton. What else do you expect them to put on the table?

You are saying that there is zero chance they would try to sweeten the pot if we elect to speak with the Castrato Brigade and Techno Skellington before agreeing to the alliance?

I'm saying that they don't have much more to give. My question is not rhetorical, I want to know what else do you expect them to put on the table.

Blackjack and hookers.

So your answer is 'I dunno, let's shake the tree and see what falls down?'

Also, the Ynnari have dark Eldar in their ranks, so you don't need to twist their arms for those things. Just subcontract a casino to them and you're set.

 

[Esquilax]

What better deal? They are already offering an alliance and eventual integration. Coming from the Eldar, that is already a ton. What else do you expect them to put on the table?

You are saying that there is zero chance they would try to sweeten the pot if we elect to speak with the Castrato Brigade and Techno Skellington before agreeing to the alliance?

As Baltika9 said, regardless of their motivations, they have woken up our Primarch and offered an olive branch. They are desperate, but that's precisely the problem - the circumstances are so dire that every faction is desperate. The fact that we are in a situation where enemies that have hated one another for millenia are talking, let alone considering alliances, should be proof of that. The Age of the Dark Imperium is shitty for everyone.

 

[Baltika9]

What better deal? They are already offering an alliance and eventual integration. Coming from the Eldar, that is already a ton. What else do you expect them to put on the table?

You are saying that there is zero chance they would try to sweeten the pot if we elect to speak with the Castrato Brigade and Techno Skellington before agreeing to the alliance?

As Baltika9 said, regardless of their motivations, they have woken up our Primarch and offered an olive branch. They are desperate, but that's precisely the problem - the circumstances are so dire that every faction is desperate. The fact that we are in a situation where enemies that have hated one another for millenia are talking, let alone considering alliances, should be proof of that. The Age of the Dark Imperium is shitty for everyone.

Even the circumstances under which they saved Guilliman underline this.

Yvraine and her gang got kicked out of Commoragh after she became a herald of Ynnead and embarrassed the dark Eldar king Vect. She then consulted with chief elf supremacist Eldrad, who told her that it was time to stop playing games with the humans and put a ring on it, meaning a no-nonsense alliance.
'Easy peasy,' thought Yvraine, and went to Cadia to reinforce them against Abbadon's 13th Black Crusade. She made it in time to witness the planet get destroyed and managed to save the life of Belisarius Cawl and some others (an inquisitors, iirc).
Afterwards, she consulted with Eldrad again, who had the idea of saving Guilliman from the poisoned wound he got from his brother Fulgrim, which Yvraine did. Also, Yvraine can turn Rubric Marines into their original form.

Honestly, I think that Eldrad has the right idea: humans and Eldar have been flirting for over ten thousand years. It's time to put a ring on it.

 

[asxetos]

I ll stop lurking and vote A.
Is there a wiki or whatever where i can read the lore?

 

[Baltika9]

I ll stop lurking and vote A.
Is there a wiki or whatever where i can read the lore?

Yep. The Lexicanum is pretty good:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

This one is alright too:
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Warhammer_40,000_Universe

 

[baud]

I ll stop lurking and vote A.
Is there a wiki or whatever where i can read the lore?

Yep. The Lexicanum is pretty good:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

This one is alright too:
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Warhammer_40,000_Universe

I prefer the 1d4chan version:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000#In_the_Grim_Dark_Future

You'd need this for the most recent fluff:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000_8th_edition#Fluff_Updates

 

[Esquilax]

I do fear that allying with the Eldar will make the Necrons hate our guts. Eldar vs Necrons is practically a law of physics at this point.

Now that's an interesting take. I'm not as familiar with the lore as some others are, but perhaps it's best to not think of this as "OMG don't take the alliance, the Eldar are gonna fuck us over!" (as that's more of a long-term concern than an immediate one) and more of, "if we have accept an alliance now, it'll negatively affect a subsequent meeting with the other factions, since we're going to have to deal with any bad blood that the Eldar have had, in addition to our own."

And perhaps coming into a meeting without a firm alliance beforehand will allow us to have more open negotiations with both factions, as they'll know that they're just dealing with Roboute Guilliamn, Lord Commander of the Imperium, and not another faction in the background.

 

[Baltika9]

That is a good way to look at it. My personal opinion is that the only nonhumans who can be reliably counted on for an alliance are the Eldar and the Tau.
The Necrons are not candidates for any pacts other than a temporary alliance of convenience because they are god-enslaving robots. They do not have anything in common with humans, or anyone else, really. I bet they don't even do movie nights.

 

[Neanderthal]

Yeah they awoke Girlyman, but it was also the demon Prince of the God they birthed who put him in stasis. They owe the whole galaxy for birthing Slaanesh and ripping a hole into the materium, that now stretches across the Milky Way.

Utter fuck ups who will lead the gullible into damnation, consort with the Xenos at your own risk!

 

[Baltika9]

And with Robu's helpful management, they will unfuck themselves. Let's not forget that they also created Ynnead, whose stated purpose is to kill Slaanesh.

 

[Neanderthal]

Yeah right.

 

[Baltika9]

Yeah right.

Indeed.

 

[Kayerts]

In the lore, there's Mechanicum Ships that can fire timeshifting black holes as bullets. I am assuming that DAoT was essentially a Culture-like civ that only perished because they lacked the knowledge of Psykerism. So yeah, they have superior tech to everybody else barring the Old Ones whom no longer exist.

Not sure this is particularly relevant, tho. Just saying DAoT are the apex of tech evolution in the galaxy. The catch is that DAoT is just that: Tech. It knows nothing very little of the warp, and knows nothing of corruption. So...

There's room for (terrible) debate. Fluff 40k DAoT has stuff like a Baneblade being classified as a "light tank," i.e. their heavy tanks were titan-class weapons. And yeah, black hole guns.

On the other hand, Necrons at their peak freely made ridiculous things like the Celestial Orrery (voodoo doll, but for all the stars in the galaxy), the World Engine, and the Breath of the Gods (doomsday device that can harvest energy through time), Pokemonning C'Tan was already mentioned. Also, Necrons at their peak generally had better tech than the Old Ones, as evinced by them beating the Old Ones. And they were directly led by the Void Dragon. So probably more advanced overall, but either would be leaps and bounds beyond anything in the current setting.

 

[LogOS]

In the lore, there's Mechanicum Ships that can fire timeshifting black holes as bullets. I am assuming that DAoT was essentially a Culture-like civ that only perished because they lacked the knowledge of Psykerism. So yeah, they have superior tech to everybody else barring the Old Ones whom no longer exist.

Not sure this is particularly relevant, tho. Just saying DAoT are the apex of tech evolution in the galaxy. The catch is that DAoT is just that: Tech. It knows nothing very little of the warp, and knows nothing of corruption. So...

There's room for (terrible) debate. Fluff 40k DAoT has stuff like a Baneblade being classified as a "light tank," i.e. their heavy tanks were titan-class weapons. And yeah, black hole guns.

On the other hand, Necrons at their peak freely made ridiculous things like the Celestial Orrery (voodoo doll, but for all the stars in the galaxy), the World Engine, and the Breath of the Gods (doomsday device that can harvest energy through time), Pokemonning C'Tan was already mentioned. Also, Necrons at their peak generally had better tech than the Old Ones, as evinced by them beating the Old Ones. And they were directly led by the Void Dragon. So probably more advanced overall, but either would be leaps and bounds beyond anything in the current setting.

I've read yours and other responses' and have re-assessed my thoughts on this. The necrontyr during the War in Heaven were indeed superior to DAoT humans.

also Lithium Flower , and well really everybody else, i'd just like to make it clear that Sergeant Equerry didnt disobey orders when charging the Chaos positions. He had a judgment call to make, and he chose one that the Primarch disagreed with.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

A) lets get some elf titties.

if we are going to be degenerate, we might as well be the straight (hopefully) kind

 

[Baltika9]

LogOS, what are our chances of rediscovering the squats? ...asking for reasons.

Spoiler

 

[Obsequious Approbation]

Well, since murdering them all is apparently out of the question, we may as well... B

 

[Kz3r0]

A