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Epic Games Store - the console war comes to PC

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Sranchammer Arcane

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    Which part is so funny?
     
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  3. Perkel Arcane

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    That part where support of Linux by steam is something important.
     
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  4. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer

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    Your are probably right. Only a niche segment of gamers play on linux. Hopefully we also get less and less niche RPGs because only a small segment of gamers play them. Why care about them?
     
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    EGS offering a refund for the difference between a user's purchase amount and the recently-lowered amount of the game is an interesting move. Mainly because it's the first move EGS makes that affects the consumer directly and beneficially and isn't practiced by any other digital distributor (that I know of, at least).

    In reality this is EGS's first foray into trying to be competitive; by offering something good that the others don't.

    Sadly it's just a PR-move to gain favorable reactions and boost their market share, but the key element will be seeing how the other digital distributors respond to this.

    And for the record once again: I was originally in favor of EGS because it had the potential to be a worthwhile rival to Steam, thereby introducing proper competition in an almost monopolistic market. That opinion quickly changed once the specifics of EGS became known, and it has remained such. I don't think Steam is any better in concept, but at least it has usable features and is therefore better in practice. And I agree with Fronzel Neekburm on those who defend Steam vehemently because they fear losing their Steam catalog... because that made me realize that the Steam catalog is their own personal Social Credit-system: They don't dare put it at risk or they'll lose everything, so it must be defended at all costs.
     
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  6. cosmicray Learned

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    They provide alternative option and that's what matters. Pushing linux hard won't do any good. And if it's not a gradual process, it won't work. Shoving Linux down people's throats will backfire.

    Holy shit, is it really Gabe?
     
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    0.89% of Steam users game on Linux.
    Its a piss in the ocean.
    More suprisingly is 4% of Mac users. What the fuck are they playing?
     
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  8. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    Linux went from being unable to play most modern windows titles to playing a massive majority of the steam catalogue at the same speed(or faster) with a single press of a button in about 2 years. The only games that don't work for me are the few online games that require rootkits "anti-cheat" garbage.
    It's quite obvious why they did this after the initial failure of steam machines and are preparing to release another version of them.
     
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    I am friends with one guy who regularly plays X-Plane 11 on a Macbook, but only this 1 game.

    When I tell him of other games he just asks "what's this?"
     
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    Even more so why does it have a ZDF logo? Is Sranchammer secretly watching Lügenpresse?
     
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  11. Reinhardt Arcane

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    Who cares about free shit if there is still zero interesting games in epic store. Free shit is still shit.
     
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  12. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    No, you mean Epic is so bad that nobody buys so they have to give away games for free. Herp derp, I don't like it so everything they do must be because they're so bad. Meanwhile when somebody else gives away free games they do it out of the goodness of their hearts alone with no ulterior motive.

    No, it's Bill.

    Everything a company does that benefits the customers is primarily intended to benefit the company. And the two are not mutually exclusive. Making your customers happy is in itself a move that benefits your company.
    Even giving away free games, when anyone does it, not only Epic, it's not out of charity.
     
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  13. cosmicray Learned

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    It's a survey, not actual statistic.

    I meant the guy in red shirt. Probably not.
     
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  14. Dexter Arcane

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    What does that even mean? Why would anyone "fear losing their Steam catalog"? They already own the games, why would they lose them? What does their "Steam catalog" have to do with a "Social Credit-system"? Social Credit is used by a Totalitarian government to measure the "social reputation" of its citizens based on their level of obedience to the state. Steam is a Digital Distribution service for games. Put what at risk? Lose everything? Are you drunk?

    Also it's still funny to me that some of the inmates itt after almost 2 years and 200 pages of repeating the same shit over and over again still haven't figured out that people aside from using Steam would also still preferably use other services like GOG, Battle.Net, Xbox Live, maybe even uPlay or Origin before they touch EGS. It's funny because we've been over this on page 2: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...le-war-comes-to-pc.125953/page-2#post-5913151

    Although the situation since then has changed somewhat favorably for Gabe with Destiny 2 moving to Steam, Bethesda moving Fallout 76 to Steam and Microsoft releasing their Halo: Master Chief Collection on Steam. Even EA has started re-releasing their games on Steam with for instance Jedi: Fallen Order being a big hit and the C&C Remastered Collection coming up: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1213210/Command__Conquer_Remastered_Collection/

    There must be something special about Epic Games Store that doesn't have anything to do with Steam, but what is it?
     
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    Epic Games Store is what's wrong with it.
     
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    The thing is, that is the only thing they do. I would respect them much more, even with Tencent investment money if they took all that spent money on free games and other shit and actually built a store that sold stuff.
     
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  17. Belegarsson Think about hairy dwarfs all the time ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Patron

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    EGS attracts the snowflakes that think they're fighting the good fight against the monopoly, cuz every Goliath must be taken down by a David. I have freaking 7 launchers on my computer including one solely for Guild Wars 2, I even used to use Desura, I don't give a shit about the number of launchers. What I give a shit about is Steam is the only one that automatically runs whenever I boot up my PC, and EGS is trying to be one with 90% less effort.
     
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  18. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    While failing to understand what a monopoly even is.
     
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    Imagine been excited about couple of free games when torrenting exists for 15 years.
     
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    Registered on Epic to get the free GTA 5. I guess the CCP owns all my personal information and browsing history now, to which I say:

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  21. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Chances of Valve going out of business in my lifetime is insanely small, but let's not pretend you "own" anything on Steam (or Epic) and that you can't lose it. Steam can take your entire library away from you at the drop of a hat if they want to, and there are horror stories out there of people insulting the wrong tranny and losing their games. Client based DRM has downsides.
     
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  22. Dexter Arcane

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    You own what you buy, Gobbledygook about "Subscriptions" in the Terms of Service doesn't change that or the nature of the purchase of a product in exchange for money.

    For more details check that long thread about a recent legal decision you were a participant in: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...le-of-digital-games-valve-will-appeal.129830/

    That's literally not a thing that Steam does. You can call whoever you want a tranny and won't lose any of your games. At most you'll get a forum ban for the specific game if a Moderator is asshurt and at worst a wider-ranging forum ban from Steam Discussions for a period. Even in cases of illegal activity like credit card fraud e.g. see her for instance they usually don't outright disable someone's account, but put it in a "restricted" Mode where no new purchases and similar can be made.

    Removing thousands of games worth a lot of money over a word would be a really easy lawsuit for them to lose and set a precedent, which is why they don't really want to get there.
     
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  23. Fishy Learned

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    I'll take the upsides any day personally. I've lost far more games to shitty floppies/discs having gone wrong than I lost to digital distribution failing me. Heck, GOG even provided me with legit on-demand copies of that stuff I lost to faulty physical media.

    I used to care about my "collection" and being sure my stuff was mine forever. Since then, there are enough games out in the world for me to entertain myself without *needing* to replay the same thing over and over, and I got a job that allows me to afford rebuying some stuff here and there if need be. Also, I'm old enough to be fully aware that *I* won't last forever. Let's say Steam disappeared overnight, from the top of my head, I'd rebuy the Souls games wherever they'd pop up, and probably pick up SOTS: The Pit on GOG but... I think that's it. The rest I'm happy to have played through once, but don't feel any particular need to revisit immediately.

    All in all, I'd probably be more upset with GOG going away as even though I have spent far less overall, I have plenty of old classics there that I revisit from time to time and I'd have to bother with abandonware sites and DOSBOX config again. Meh.

    There's something to be said for game preservation, but again, digital distribution (in the form of abandonware sites and torrents) does it better than me and my physical media.
     
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  24. Unkillable Cat Prestigious Gentleman LEST WE FORGET Patron

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    Not this time.

    My statement is based on two facts that I should have tried to cram in there somehow: As Steam is the leading digitial distributor on PCs and has put in all these community-related shared features, people are using the platform as a status symbol. Gaining those Steam levels, owning the hottest titles, showing off various achievements etc. Some people have spent years (or even decade(s)) working on their online profile on Steam, and spent (tens of) thousands of dollars on it. They have committed, they have invested and they want to protect their investment... while simultaneously stroking their e-peen.

    But that's not all, the social element of Steam means that whomever you add as a Friend there can see what you own and what you're playing... and act on it. Many years ago I had the misfortune of not only being the victim of a shaming attempt, but also accused of theft by a ex- Steam (and ex-real-life) friend as well... because I had the gall to criticize a freshly-released game that the friend was praising to high heaven. The friend responsed to my criticism by checking if I owned the game on Steam, saw that I didn't and proceeded to publicly accuse me of piracy, because he (falsely) thought I was playing the game. He didn't stop to think I might be playing it on another platform, or been following the discussion closely, or possibly even watching YT-videos of the game. No, because I hadn't bought the game on Steam I was a filthy pirate and deserved to be shamed. So yeah, if a digital distribution platform can socially condition morons into trying to snitch on their fellows, it's a Social Credit-system with parallels to that used by a Totalitarian government to control its citizens.

    The second fact is that I'm not just old-fashioned, I'm borderline archaic. I believe that a man should only need to own the game in his hand, and own a machine capable of running it, to be able to play it. Any extra step interfering in that process is needless IMO and should be abolished. Obviously this does not apply to online games, but the sacrifice of the extra step there is inferred. Steam goes directly against this by acting as a gatekeeper, and those are not infallible. Not even something "as big as Steam". IIRC Steam has still not explained what it will do for its customers if it somehow ends up dead and permanently offline, so I'll remain both pessimistic and sceptical of it.
     
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  25. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    That Steam problem sounds rather specific though. Also there is a private mode. I think new accounts starts in private mode now and you have to make an effort to show off your games.
     
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