Europa Universalis IV

[poocolator]

IS GOOD. IS VERY GOOD, VERY EXCITE

 

[Raghar]

So current version of EU3 is 5.2 beta July 27, does it mean they would finish the patch apply it and call it EU4?

 

[Spectacle]

This is good, was wondering when we'd get EU4.
The graphics look extremely similar to CK2. I wouldn't mind a bit more visual distinctiveness. But then again everyone will play in the political map mode 99% of the time anyway.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Note that the map has 3D levels now - hills, ridges and mountains actually stand out, instead of just being different colour.

 

[Cassidy]

Note that the map has 3D levels now - hills, ridges and mountains actually stand out, instead of just being different colour.

What a pointless eyecandy without formers to do cool things with it.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Whatever, I'm fucking psyched. With being disappointed by MM, this gives me a strategy-boner.

 

[Kane]

this gives me a strategic boner.

fixed.

 

[pocahaunted]

Good news, I'll gladly indulge in addicting map painting till the night's end.

 

[Spectacle]

Note that the map has 3D levels now - hills, ridges and mountains actually stand out, instead of just being different colour.

What a pointless eyecandy without formers to do cool things with it.

It's far from pointless, it let's you see where those easily defensible mountain provinces are even when you're using the political map mode.

 

[oscar]

They also ought to make France the big baddy of the game once more (that historically required pretty much every major power in Europe to team up against just to win a draw) not the fucking irrelevant, declining, decrepit mess that was the Holy Roman Empire.

 

[Malakal]

They also ought to make France the big baddy of the game once more (that historically required pretty much every major power in Europe to team up against just to win a draw) not the fucking irrelevant, declining, decrepit mess that was the Holy Roman Empire.

France was the biggest threat true but HRE was the playground and the arena where spheres of influence collided. Spain fought France over HRE so did other nations. HRE WAS important.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Waiting for the morons to start crying about how OP Europeans are, once again. "Waah waah my African tribe must have a chance of beating off England, France and the Ottomans!"

 

[pocahaunted]

Waiting for the morons to start crying about how OP Europeans are, once again. "Waah waah my African tribe must have a chance of beating off England, France and the Ottomans!"

I guess I'm one of those morons, I enjoy playing as a relatively shitty power whilst rising to the "top". That said, I enjoy doing it with minor European powers and not tribal nations so I guess it's more believable. It's still kinda annoying how the UK is pretty much always the top dog just because.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Yes, there's nothing wrong with taking a minor European power and rising to the top. There's also nothing wrong with taking a shitty tribal nation and resisting the AI invasions. The problem comes when some people demand that Pdox should make it so that the shitty tribal nation can do a WC or something like that.

 

[Spectacle]

At the same time I hope they make it harder for the Europeans to outright conquer those shitty tribal nations. It's far too easy in EU3 to load your entire army on a fleet and go on a third world conquering spree.

 

[Smashing Axe]

I hope they have some events that will help you influence the development of your monarch and heir ala Crusader Kings 2. The dynasty mechanic isn't necessary, but I would like some control as far as leaders are concerned.

 

[Tigranes]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...nformation-from-the-devs-READ-BEFORE-POSTING!

Developer info on EU4 collected.

Has interesting details on the monarch system, and promises a 'overhaul' on the military system.

Also, coalitions are in. *win*

 

[oscar]

EUII with the AGCEEP mod was a pretty cool experience. Super-deterministic (the Spanish Armada invasion is done via event) but pretty damn fun. Impressively detailed event chains and even some pretty deep alternate history branches of events.

 

[Bulba]

I'm defenately buying it !

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

At the same time I hope they make it harder for the Europeans to outright conquer those shitty tribal nations. It's far too easy in EU3 to load your entire army on a fleet and go on a third world conquering spree.

Entire army? Pfffft. One or two modest stacks are enough to defeat all non-Europeans.

 

[oscar]

Which is realistic

 

[Higher Animal]

They also ought to make France the big baddy of the game once more (that historically required pretty much every major power in Europe to team up against just to win a draw) not the fucking irrelevant, declining, decrepit mess that was the Holy Roman Empire.

I'm confused here. France is EU 3 easy mode. If you play historical then you get amazing historical leaders. Unlimited monies/population plus good colonization leaders. Super easy to become emperor as well. Only legitimate concern with a well played Historical France is Russia and colony revolution.

Prussia and later Germany successively cunt punched France until it became known as a nation of whimps. HRE is undisputedly the more important historical player when everything is counted up in the end. France's historical moments were predicated on being clever in european politics and behind that of England, Spain, and the HRE.

 

[Raghar]

Entire army? Pfffft. One or two modest stacks are enough to defeat all non-Europeans.

You should pay premium for these stacks, and theirs oversea deployment.

 

[Kane]

Prussia and later Germany successively cunt punched France until it became known as a nation of whimps.

After napoleon. Before that france was arguably the strongest nation in europe.

 

[oscar]

I wouldn't say arguably. It was the most populous state of Europe with a strong economy, disciplined and well-led troops and a quality navy (technically superior in naval engineering than the Brits, there's a reason French ships were used as flagships, though numerically inferior). Even getting a draw with France usually involved pulling in every other European Great Power (with the British bankrolling things).

The HRE should really be a punching bag between France, Austria, Sweden and (later) Prussia with maintenance of the balance of power and its use as a buffer zone seeing it preserved by outside intervention.