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sportforredneck said:
Jasede said:
Actually, you should download this game millions of times illegally.
It should be even more of a slight to not download it at all. Since you don't find it worthy to play at all. I'll be in that group.
You don't understand. Every illegal download is money lost for Bethesda. That means for each copy you illegally download, Bethesda loses money! We can ruin this company if we work hard together and try to download Fallout 3 20 times, each.
 

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Mr. Teatime said:
The African American thing is certainly pretty dumb. I'm not sure about racist, but it feels wrong.

In the UK, and I imagine many other non-US countries, if you're black, you're black, if you're white, you're white. Is African American supposed to cover all black people, or is it referring to a specific group? The latter I could at least stomach, but then it begs the question why can't you be black without being african and american?

African American can refer to all black people, anywhere. Used by idiots, pc-tards, and honest people who have grown up around the former and just never given it much though.

African American can refer to black people in America. Or black people born in America. Or black people whose families have been in America for generations. Or, by contrarians, as anyone from Africa who has moved to America.

It's supposed to be more subtle than "black", which is less offensive than "colored", which is less offensive still then "negro", which was the proper name reverted to when the derogatory "nigger" fell out of fashion.

On a tangent line is "nigga", but I'd be writing a novel if I opened that can of worms.
 

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Wait, calling black people "blacks" is offensive now? What will come next? Will it be outlawed to call retarded people retarded?

I think "Asian" is a pretty racist word; seems like you're implying a race even though everyone knows all races are the same; just like men and women.
 

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Jasede said:
Wait, calling black people "blacks" is offensive now? What will come next? Will it be outlawed to call retarded people retarded?

I think "Asian" is a pretty racist word; seems like you're implying a race even though everyone knows all races are the same; just like men and women.

Don't flip your faggot switch. Hardly any black people take offense to 'black'. If you find a white person nervous to say it (and if you tour America you'll find a decent number) it's because they haven't had much contact with our darker cousins.
 

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I certainly see it used as a generic term for black in the US. But, speaking from someone who lives elsewhere, African American means, well, just that. Someone who is African, and American.

I also imagine there are plenty of Americans who get annoyed by the term being generic for 'black' as well.

And I'm guessing there might be plenty of black people who aren't American, or who don't come from Africa - beyond the fact that everyone comes from Africa if you go back to the dawn of man (I think that's correct, anyway) - who might find the term offensive as well.

Anyway. I'm sure Bethsoft are chose the term because they saw it as the least offensive way of saying, 'black'. But really, it doesn't work outside the US, and I'm not sure it works within that country either for many people. I've never felt calling someone 'black' is offensive - in fact, it's probably more offensive to avoid calling a black person 'black' because you believe it's offensive, as it's implying there's something wrong with being black.

Meh. This post turned out to be longer than I planned.
 

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sportforredneck said:
Jasede said:
Actually, you should download this game millions of times illegally.
It should be even more of a slight to not download it at all. Since you don't find it worthy to play at all. I'll be in that group.
Jasede obviosly doesn't want to "play" it a million times... Just download it, you don't have to play it.

Wait, calling black people "blacks" is offensive now?
Why do you think the description African - American was introduced?
Right, some idiots wanted to give racists an excuse to keep calling blacks niggers.

What about Arabian? It would be a dream come to true to play a Muslim bombing Megaton.
Arabs are Asians.

Yep, Beth, that happens if you try to fit people into categories.

I personally want to play an African - American of European - Asian decendancy or an Inuid or a Gook or a small guy with a large dick and hanging breasts. An Irish - Australien also sounds great.
 

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Mr. Teatime said:
The African American thing is certainly pretty dumb. I'm not sure about racist, but it feels wrong.

It is pretty racist to segregate one race and treat it differently than other races, which is exactly what Bethesda is doing by indicating "African American" (which is a description of the place of residence/birth of a black person and nothing else) as a race and not showing the same courtesy to Latin-Americans and Asian-Americans.

To be honest, I often just call PC bullshit "racist". It's what it comes down to, more often than not.
 

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PC bullshit is racist because at its heart is the desire to treat someone differently based on their race. Or just prejudice if it's based on something else. *shrug*

Dialogue here sin't special.

Kanada can be pretty bad too with its x-Canadian ie French Kanadian, or what not.
 

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So a game with 50s america styling uses the common terminology in america for black people?

Heavens, how crazy! Bethesda you racist fools.


Nitpicking, seriously guys. Seriously. Take a deep breath, go check if there is something interesting on TV. ;)
 
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Naked Ninja said:
So a game with 50s america styling uses the common terminology in america for black people?

Heavens, how crazy! Bethesda you racist fools.
Well it wasn't common terminology until about the 90s or so. It's out of place in the 50s. But American American for white people probably would make sense for the 1950s, since it was the ultraconservative Eisenhower era. But they didn't include that, plus people would say it is wasist. Though I actually could give a shit less about what they called races in the game.
 

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African American or Hispanic are different cultures not different races. There's only one race among humans and that is the human race. I believe this is told in junior school.
 
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elander_ said:
There's only one race among humans and that is the human race. I believe this is told in junior school.
Mostly just hippie schools where everyone is equal. I prefer the term races, it shows the proper amount of separation. It's not like they're the black species, which would be too much of a separation. Since the human species can all breed together.
 

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sportforredneck said:
I prefer the term races, it shows the proper amount of separation.

This is not a matter of preference. The word race exist and is well defined in any dictionary.

race 1 (rs)
n.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.
[French, from Old French, from Old Italian razza, race, lineage.]
Usage Note: The notion of race is nearly as problematic from a scientific point of view as it is from a social one. European physical anthropologists of the 17th and 18th centuries proposed various systems of racial classifications based on such observable characteristics as skin color, hair type, body proportions, and skull measurements, essentially codifying the perceived differences among broad geographic populations of humans. The traditional terms for these populationsCaucasoid (or Caucasian), Mongoloid, Negroid, and in some systems Australoidare now controversial in both technical and nontechnical usage, and in some cases they may well be considered offensive. (Caucasian does retain a certain currency in American English, but it is used almost exclusively to mean "white" or "European" rather than "belonging to the Caucasian race," a group that includes a variety of peoples generally categorized as nonwhite.) The biological aspect of race is described today not in observable physical features but rather in such genetic characteristics as blood groups and metabolic processes, and the groupings indicated by these factors seldom coincide very neatly with those put forward by earlier physical anthropologists. Citing this and other pointssuch as the fact that a person who is considered black in one society might be nonblack in anothermany cultural anthropologists now consider race to be more a social or mental construct than an objective biological fact.

PS: Ok so it's actually a bit controversial but i would prefer they didn't use the word "races" to describe different looks and cultural background.
 

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elander_ said:
This is not a matter of preference. The word race exist and is well defined in any dictionary.
Eh, according to your own dictionary excerpt, humanity can be seperated into different races, so you've just disproven your own argument.


PS: Ok so it's actually a bit controversial but i would prefer they didn't use the word "races" to describe different looks and cultural background.
Oh, hello there.

Well, I don't have a bit issue with using the term race to distinguish different looks and cultural background. Why not? What about Kris Straub, who's referred to himself as German and Egyptian, although I doubt he shares much of the cultural background. It's just genetics. His culture is American.

Besides, there are traits linked to race like lactose intolerance. It's more than looks. Race goes deeper than the skin.
 

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IMO they should just name the choices 1 through 4 and leave it at that.

On the topic of black vs. African American I find it interesting that whites always have to describe a black person as black even when it's not important for what's being explained (like in "a fucking nigger almost ran over me with his car" vs. "a fucking idiot almost ran over me with his car").
 

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Claw said:
Besides, there are traits linked to race like lactose intolerance. It's more than looks. Race goes deeper than the skin.

Are you saying Caucas characters get sunburn and the "African American" has a chance of having sickle cell?
 
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Brother None said:
headache said:
So if you pick African American, does that make Liam Neeson black?

Yes.

Heh, nice job Bethesda picking a great screen actor with little vocal diversity for an all voice role that is going to be a racially varied character. I like Liam Neeson a lot, but he's still got the whitest voice this side of Christopher Lee and it will be funny as hell to hear black or hispanic Liam Neeson. Talk about immersion breaking.
 

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