Game News Fallout 3 is Oblivion 2

[Shoelip]

Hm, love how the raiders just keep mindlessly charging him as he slaughters them without any trouble. Then he disarms the last one, but she just runs away and crouches for a second before turning right around and charging the laser rifle wielding psychopath with nothing but her fists.

 

[flushfire]

she is too bad ass

the game was built 1st as a FPS, 2nd as a FPS, third as a FPS then they remembered it was supposed to be a RPG and added RPG elements

some death animations suck btw, that first gib was from a scoped rifle, wth is that shit

 

[Lemunde]

I know I'm going to get yelled at for this but I'm intrigued by the concept of playing the whole game as an FPS. It may not be Fallout, hell it may not even be an RPG but it still sounds fun. Granted people won't be getting a proper sequel to Fallout 2 but at least we'll have a passable STALKER clone.

 

[Suchy]

Until now I was rather cautiously optimistic, but this was too bad to even look for a proper facepalm image :/
The only good thing was scenerey, but still no dynamic shadows.

 

[Ausir]

I'm pretty sure the robot's name is actually spelt "Eye-Bot"... given it's eye like shape. Though I wouldn't put it past Todd to be hip and go with the "i".

For the record Apple don't own the letter "i". Theres the BBC's iPlayer, iRobot, iTeddy and lots more -- some older than the iMac/pod too.

Yes, it's the Eyebot. See:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Eyebot

 

[Uz0rnaem]

I know I'm going to get yelled at for this but I'm intrigued by the concept of playing the whole game as an FPS. It may not be Fallout, hell it may not even be an RPG but it still sounds fun. Granted people won't be getting a proper sequel to Fallout 2 but at least we'll have a passable STALKER clone.

I don't know about that. I generally like FPS games, even shitty ones like Road to Fiddler's Green, or Hellforces, but this doesn't look like fun at all. I'm not talking as a biased Falloutfag here, it just looks genuinely unappealing and boring. Everything seems too sluggish and stale for fast and engaging FPS gameplay, the gore, with its random dark red blotches and unnatural, borderline robotic animations, seems like it's neither here, nor there, and VATS just comes off as an incredibly awkward and gameflow breaking annoyance, completely unlike the slow-mo stuff in other games, like Max Payne, TimeShift, or FEAR. It doesn't look like "lol gory splatter axion!1", it doesn't look tactical, it doesn't even look like a finished product. It's just... half-assed. Yeah, I think that's what describes it best. The only thing I'm positively surprised by is that they seem to have toned down the bobblehead bullshit, which was a major nuisance in Oblivion.

Anyway, I'm not trying to pass final judgement on the game's FPS qualities based entirely on a few minutes of gameplay footage, but what I saw didn't tickle my FPS spot at all, and that's coming from someone who got an erection from the fucking Prey demo.

 

[MetalCraze]

I wonder why they never show player character's face during that video or on the screenshots. Of course I have my suspicions judging by how every other humanoid character looks in that video

 

[onemananadhisdroid]

Well, Bethesda sure as hell aren't Blizzard as far as gameplay presentation is concerned. But then who is?

 

[Shoelip]

Blizzard.

 

[Mareus]

Great, just great. Instead of showing us some dialog options and sneaking, Todd goes and plays it as a shooter. Oh, look a sentry. I could hack it but I ll just blow it with a bomb. haha! Fuck. Show us how you hack it. Show us rpg elements. Pip boy statistic is not RPG elements. I already know how every shooter works. You run around and kill things, but even here Bethcrap managed to produce a FPS which can't compare with real shooters. This is worse than anything I could have imagined. FO3 = sucky FPS that is not RPG.

 

[elander_]

Anyway, I'm not trying to pass final judgement on the game's FPS qualities based entirely on a few minutes of gameplay footage, but what I saw didn't tickle my FPS spot at all, and that's coming from someone who got an erection from the fucking Prey demo.

That's exactly what i feel about the FPS side of Fallout 3. Even Bloodlines which was just badly balanced was much better than this. This game is too far away from DeusEX or System Shock 2 like some reviewers are trying to compare it.

On the good side it looks like we can play entirely without using VATS and that may be what saves this game for many people.

VATS is simply a disaster and nobody will enjoy playing with it all the time like Todd did in the demo. It will steal the fun and fluidity of combat completely since it offers little tactical combat choices and we play solo so there's no way to get team tactics into it.

If you are going for a RTwP system you better have a team and an isometric view. Plus you need to be able to do more than just shoot things one at a time or blow them up with grenades. You don't fucking stop the time in an FPS ever.

 

[onemananadhisdroid]

Blizzard.

Hell yes.


While we're at pigeonholing, annally so, this sure doesn't look like the Tactical Combat-Statistics-Dialog-Choice-Branching-Mini-Game™ like the first two in the series. At the same time I find it pretty telling how peole pretend to not recognize how this is just bits of combat mechanics, presented in a way Blizzard wouldn't even do it behind closed doors. All for the sake of joining the army of naysayers and told you sos. Humans are such gregarious animals.

 

[elander_]

"At the same time I find it pretty telling how peole pretend to not recognize how this is just bits of combat mechanics, presented in a way Blizzard wouldn't even do it behind closed doors. "

Don't see your point here. Nobody brought this argument to the discussion. You are the one who ever mentioned Blizzard or am i missing something?

 

[Ogg]

That's exactly what i feel about the FPS side of Fallout 3. Even Bloodlines which was just badly balanced was much better than this. This game is too far away from DeusEX or System Shock 2 like some reviewers are trying to compare it.

Didn't you listen to Todd? He could hack a turret if he'd like... But he won't 'cause... hhh.. let's shoot the stupid raider !

RadiantAI and hacking turrets that is Deus Ex, no?

 

[Mareus]

VATS is simply a disaster and nobody will enjoy playing with it all the time like Todd did in the demo. It will steal the fun and fluidity of combat completely since it offers little tactical combat choices and we play solo so there's no way to get team tactics into it.

If you are going for a RTwP system you better have a team and an isometric view. Plus you need to be able to do more than just shoot things one at a time or blow them up with grenades. You don't fucking stop the time in an FPS ever.

I completely agree. I somehow get the feeling VATS was put in the game just for Fallout fans so Todd could say, we changed everything but thanks to VATS you still have that original Fallout feeling. Unfortunately judging by that video VATS seems to be a complete disaster. It's completely usless when faced with multiple targets and that track camera is just a nuisance. Also I didn't see any strategy being used by enemies, like they promised when the hyping started. Those enemies just ran around and tried to shoot you. The enemy in the end dropped the gun and decided to take a poop. I mean WTF?! Enemies didn't hide behind cover or do anything like it was said they would do. Even as a shooter FO3 fails.

 

[elander_]

RadiantAI and hacking turrets that is Deus Ex, no?

Anyone can copy game features from other games. It's not necessary imagination to do that. It's the subtle details and the way those features are mixed and balanced which makes the difference.

 

[Fenril]

This thread is just plain pathetic.

How can something gather such a consensus without even allowing the tiniest positive appreciation of the trailer the previews or whatever. Its like primary school.

Not that I have any good hopes for this title but the bandwagoning I see in this thread is at the very least just as bad as fanboism from gamer kiddies or whatever.

No really this isnt meant to personally offend anyone, but if you take a deep breath and browse through this thread from page one its just pathetic and beyond absurd, what makes it even more depressing is the amount of fanatical interest about something that should be simply dispised.

Makes me wonder how many professional critics will actually buy this distorted POS, spend 60+ hours on it then rant on the web for months about how it sucked big donkey balls and their souls were brutally violated during dozens of hours.

Get a grip. Or change the website name to we hate bethsoft.

 

[spacemoose]

Makes me wonder how many professional critics will actually buy this distorted POS, spend 60+ hours on it then rant on the web for months about how it sucked big donkey balls and their souls were brutally violated during dozens of hours.

it is zero, zero professional critics will do this.

what they will do instead is compete with each other over who can fellate bethesda the best. and they have their work cut out for them - it will be hard to top what they've already written for oblivion

 

[Ogg]

RadiantAI and hacking turrets that is Deus Ex, no?

Anyone can copy game features from other games. It's not necessary imagination to do that. It's the subtle details and the way those features are mixed and balanced which makes the difference.

That's my point indeed.

 

[Mareus]

This thread is just plain pathetic.

How can something gather such a consensus without even allowing the tiniest positive appreciation of the trailer the previews or whatever. Its like primary school.

Not that I have any good hopes for this title but the bandwagoning I see in this thread is at the very least just as bad as fanboism from gamer kiddies or whatever.

No really this isnt meant to personally offend anyone, but if you take a deep breath and browse through this thread from page one its just pathetic and beyond absurd, what makes it even more depressing is the amount of fanatical interest about something that should be simply dispised.

Makes me wonder how many professional critics will actually buy this distorted POS, spend 60+ hours on it then rant on the web for months about how it sucked big donkey balls and their souls were brutally violated during dozens of hours.

Get a grip. Or change the website name to we hate bethsoft.

People are just expressing their feelings and thoughts towards what Bethseda is doing to a cult game. It's completely normal. I mean every normal person who knows anything about art would get annoyed with raping of something that is unique and holy. Do you like Star Trek? Let's say you do and if someone bought the Star Trek licence and decided to make Star Wars out of it, wouldn't you at least be annoyed and a bit depressed with another proof what money can do? You don't need to be a fanboy kid to feel crapy about something like that.

 

[Uz0rnaem]

This thread is just plain pathetic.

How can something gather such a consensus without even allowing the tiniest positive appreciation of the trailer the previews or whatever. Its like primary school.

Not that I have any good hopes for this title but the bandwagoning I see in this thread is at the very least just as bad as fanboism from gamer kiddies or whatever.

I guess it's a lot more mature to disregard everyone's opinion with baseless ad hominem bullshit, instead of actually addressing their points.

It's not like anyone's actively suppressing positive feedback. If you like the trailer and the previews, and you disagree with the "consensus", just say so and explain your position, but don't just bitch about the bitching.

 

[Shoelip]

Well, while we're on the subject of complaining about Fallout 3, here's something else about it to hate.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/fallout3/news.html?sid=6193729

[10] The next obstacle is a sentry bot, which he takes out with the help of an EMP grenade. Howard emphasizes that the game reacts with the way the players goes through it: good, bad, or in between. Troops from the Enclave come down on him in a helicopter transport, so he switches to The Fatman and launches a bomb across the map at the soldiers. He wraps up the demo to applause and a smattering of cheers. He also mentions "substantial" downloadable content for Fallout 3 that will be exclusive to Xbox 360 and Games for Windows.

 

[Shannow]

Apart from stupid shit like needing different radios to get different radio signals and arms and legs that explode off of a body after a headshot I actually liked it.
Maybe its because I didn't pay much attention or am not an FPS player neither animations nor graphics struck me as mediocre.
I passed by Oblivion but I'll get this. Though I still don't understand why they wanted the FO setting to fuck up if they could have simply taken their TES setting and made a post-apoc game out of it.

 

[Solohk]

I know I'm going to get yelled at for this but I'm intrigued by the concept of playing the whole game as an FPS. It may not be Fallout, hell it may not even be an RPG but it still sounds fun. Granted people won't be getting a proper sequel to Fallout 2 but at least we'll have a passable STALKER clone.

Reading this makes me wish that someone like Valve bought the license instead. If it's going to be an FPS it would be nice to see it done right.

 

[Suchy]

And it could have been like this... http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/album_ ... ic_id=2763