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Game News Fallout 3 is Oblivion 2
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entertainer
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Jaesun said:
Thank god there was no one around when i played that(wtf music).
entertainer said:
Completely different thing in original FO. In original you couldn't turn a guy into minced meat with a teddy bear. In original it didn't happen all the time and it looked far more realistic. The way it is done in FO3 I wouldn't be surprised you tear off guys legs and hands off by hitting him in the face with a fist. I mean if you can do it with a teddy bear toy, I bet you can do it with your fists too. Just awful.
onemananadhisdroid
Augur
elander_ said:
The lads and ladies dismissing the game as Serious Sam 3 on the basis of a clumsy presentation of gun mechanics are missing that point too.
Shannow
Waster of Time
Now, I only browsed through that video but didn't find any headshot-all-extremeties-blow-off-a-once-scene. Would you please provide the exact time when that happens?Jaesun said:
Shannow said:
After about 1:00 there is a targeted shot to the eyes, which cause his torso and arm to fall off. heh
Though, I'm not defending bethesda's completely stupid "The bloody mess perk makes EVERYTHING blow up!! LOL IT IS SO FUNNY! EVEN TEDDY BEARS!11"
MetalCraze
Arcane
Who cares? Beth cries that Fallout 1&2 are so yesterday and now they have next-gen. So why not make... you know... more precise body damage? It was made in a goddamn Soldier Of Fortune that is 7 years old now.
Zakhal said:
Yes but bloody mess trait didn`t work every time you killed enemy (in F1/2). It worked only if you scored crt. hit. But hey F1/2 was boring and TESV:Fallout is COOL. Tearing off enemies legs, heads etc are COOL, too. So in one word TESV: Fallout is FPS + RPG elements :twisted:
Shoelip
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The main difference is that like I said Fallout 1/2 had canned animations, while 3 has no animations, just ragdolls. They of course failed to take advantage of modern technology again though. They could have made it so that if you bloody mess someone in the head their head and upper body explode... no, instead they make the head and all the limbs fly off while the torso remained completely intact. It's completely uncreative, and lazy.
MetalCraze
Arcane
Zomg said:
No.
MetalCraze
Arcane
Shoelip said:skyway said:
... Yes...
No. I was replaying Fallout 2 just a few months ago with Bloody Mess perk. And I clearly remember that Bloody Mess happened often but not always - not in the cases of low enough damage f.e.
skyway said:Shoelip said:skyway said:
... Yes...
No. I was replaying Fallout 2 just a few months ago with Bloody Mess perk. And I clearly remember that Bloody Mess happened often but not always - not in the cases of low enough damage f.e.
Yes.
Brother None
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skyway said:
Perhaps you turned the violence slide down? It needs to be set to "maximum" or whatever for Bloody Mess to operate as it should.
But yes, it's definitely ->always<-.
MetalCraze
Arcane
Hmmm. Ok, sorry then. Maybe some kind of bug was happening from time to time. Why would I lie to you?
aron searle
Arcane
Yes, why would you lie to us.
[/b]Look, even if it always happened, which I repeat didn't (at least for me), that is not an issue. I have an issue with legs flying off when you shoot someone in the head. In FO originals bloody mess looked good. Even if you aimed in the head and half of his body got torn off it still looked good. FO3 is over the top. Those enemies fall apart like they were made out of dried shit. Wouldn't just maiking the guys head explode be enough? Bloody mess was one trait that I thought even Bethseda won't be able to screw up. Bloody mess was supposed to look gory, but Bethseda just made it look retarded. Let us just hope if you decide not to use bloody mess trait, things look better.
I think there are two points for me in the past Fallout games favour. First off, technology just wasn't fancy and the whole thing feels a bit abstracted. Secondly, there is a real sense of power in the animations. I guess that comes from them being handcrafted really, and because they are over very quickly with great sounds to accompany it.
In Fallout 3 I really feel that sense of power is missing, which is funny since I assume that must be what they would want. The ragdoll physics feel to random, and while this can be amusing sometimes, I don't particularly feel it empowers the player. But the most important thing is that the abstractions are largely gone. Here we see in slow-mo cinematic mode a bullet travel into a persons skull all with fancy zoom-ins and stuff. When you see this, and at the same time see a persons limbs drop off at the "seams" it just... Doesn't look very good. It looks you could walk into a person and have them drop off parts of their body randomly.
That said, I can't say I've ever been particularly fond of the Bloody Mess trait. It was immensely satisfying to see the animations when you score a crit hit, but to see it everytime something dies made it become rather old after a while.
In Fallout 3 I really feel that sense of power is missing, which is funny since I assume that must be what they would want. The ragdoll physics feel to random, and while this can be amusing sometimes, I don't particularly feel it empowers the player. But the most important thing is that the abstractions are largely gone. Here we see in slow-mo cinematic mode a bullet travel into a persons skull all with fancy zoom-ins and stuff. When you see this, and at the same time see a persons limbs drop off at the "seams" it just... Doesn't look very good. It looks you could walk into a person and have them drop off parts of their body randomly.
That said, I can't say I've ever been particularly fond of the Bloody Mess trait. It was immensely satisfying to see the animations when you score a crit hit, but to see it everytime something dies made it become rather old after a while.
Shoelip
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Starwars said:
I agree. I only ever took Bloody Mess once.
The one thing in that G4 video that was sort of cool was that the raider actually got scared of the guy with the lazer rifle. Of course she didn't try to surrender or anything, just cowered with her hands above her head. Probably just something they scripted that won't happen in game.
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