Are you fucking serious
Tell me how playing a TC mod is comparable to playing a base game modded to kingdom come that it doesn't even resemble its vanilla form.
Still doesn't explain how playing a TC mod is comparable to playing a base game modded to kingdom come with a laundry list of mods.
You can't even fucking type properly. Do you have something you can choke yourself with?
Why don't you explain to me how it matters? Like there's a major difference between a TC and Skyrim with mods when it comes to what we're arguing, which is the overall attitude towards mods here on the forum. 1.5 and Nevada are both TCs, yea, and Enderal/Nehrim are as well. Swordflight or any number of NWN modules might as well be considered TCs, the point is one example gets praised and lauded as GOTY while the others, yes, are acknowledged by some here as good mods but are derided by just as many with the same old tagline I've mentioned before.
He's a confused individual. His subjective idealism drove him into a trap. He has a soup of different 'Dex consensuses about NWN1 & Skyrim having dubious quality, "Mods won't make bad core game good if there's nothing left to redeem"; "Total Conversions built on crappy engines often inherit flaws of the base game" in his mind. It's a special case of bigger mental disorder alot of individuals are suffering and even pass it as "philosophy" they adhere to.
It fucking matters because the experience of playing a TC is drastically different to playing a base game modded to kingdom come. Not to mention the base game of Fallout 1&2 are NOT shitty like Bethesda's games are, so you're basically comparing apples to oranges when Bigg Boss referred to the fucking base game then you came barging in screaming how we set the double standard for praising TC mods, and that's not even considering that the base game for those TC mods aren't fucking shit.
I see that you're being genuine, so I apologize for calling or implying that you're a dumbfuck, but I disagree with the notion that 'a TC is just 'a base game modded to kingdom come'. A TC is a TC, it's basically its own new game instead of 'the base game modded to kingdom come'. Usually a TC is built on an already existing gameplay mechanics, and from there they build their own content, sometimes adding new features and/or implement the features already in place but in a way the devs didn't do. If the already existing gameplay mechanics aren't shit, which is the case of Fallout 1&2, then there's not much to adds or to alter.
See, this is where you're just plain wrong. Point out to me where I, Bigg Boss, and the others are shitting on the *MODS*. We're shitting on the *FUCKING BASE GAME*, not the *MODS*, hence,
Maybe it's because he wrote, "I see this being used a lot in regards to mods.", but he meant to point out how people tend to use mods as a justification that the base game isn't exactly shit. And Bethesda base game are fucking shit, no amount of mods can change the fact that they're shit, but this doesn't mean the statement is shitting on mods.Bigg Boss said:
I'm not sure anyone uses mods as a justification to declare Skyrim as good. I think most people with a brain who say something like "Skyrim is shit, BUT" aren't saying that mods make the unmodded Skyrim into an objectively good RPG or game, rather that mods allow them to wring out some modicum of enjoyment or fun from a game that would be otherwise terrible. And, let's be honest here, at this point picking up Skyrim in one of its many forms if you're not resorting to piracy is the cost of a Big Mac so it's not like these people are suffering from "I just spent 90 dollars on the super deluxe edition preorder so this game MUST be good" syndrome. There is a world of difference between something being fun and something being good.
See, I don't really see the difference here. TCs are still being built on top of a game, even if they have heavily altered assets. Going back to Doom, one could argue that Heretic or Hexen are just total conversions of Doom; they're their own games developed on the Doom engine and using its gameplay mechanics while adding new ones on top (Especially Heretic which is, boiled down to it, just a reskin of Doom with new maps and weapons.) Of course, there are popular total conversion mods out there for Doom itself like High Noon Drifter or Golden Souls that basically do the same thing, and then there are regular mods like, Brutal Doom or La Tailor or DoomRPG which alter mechanics, assets, and the like for new gameplay experiences....well, that's basically a TC too, isn't it? I don't know, I think you're making an unnecessarily arbitrary line in the sand between TCs and small scale mods to further your argument. When you boil it down, back in Skyrim terms, there's not really a world of difference between using a mod like Requiem or Ordinator with a bunch of quest mods on the scale of Falskaar or Beyond Skyrim and playing Enderal; you can in some cases even use regular Skyrim mods with Enderal.
Nah, a TC isn't exactly 'built on top of a game'. Sure, it uses already existing gameplay mechanics + assets, but the content, like gameworld, quests, and story are completely original even though the setting might be the exact same (as is the case of Fallout of Nevada which included Vault City, New Reno, and Gecko). Which is why a TC mod is radically different compared to a base game modded using a laundry list of mods, and a base game modded to kingdom come is the definition of being 'built on top of a game'.
I hope they were just trolling, but this is exactly the sort of blanket statement I'm speaking out against. What a retarded notion. NV is great stuff.
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