Fallout 76 - online Fallout spinoff from Bethesda - now on Steam with Wastelanders NPC expansion

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From my understanding they are trying to continue the immersive sim design philosophy while making it more accessible to modern, well.....let's call them people for now. The problem is that, by streamlining, they dilute the formula a lot and they end up somewhere in the middle, not satisfying the old fans by going full old school and not satisfying new fans by making it easier to grasp or whatever.

Even if they were to release a high quality classic like DX 1 it would simply not sell. Why? No idea. For the same reason Prey and Dishonored didn't do well. But at the same time, Zelda Breath of the wild did good, idk how good but more than enough and that game had a lot of immersive sim elements and in an open world no less.

Maybe it's funds, maybe it's approach or maybe one good way to do it is to make a full AAA crap and then start introducing more and more immersive sim stuff until you end up with a really good sim but with AAA polish.

Idk. If I did I'd probably be working in the industry and making millions. Look at Bethesda, it's unbelievable, they make the same game, one in the past, one in the future using the same engine, same assets, same everything and they're making money even when they're failing.

Explain that and you have your answer.

Your description seems to be in accord with an analogy I've been making, that Dishonored is the Pillars of Eternity of immersive sims.
They can streamline but they lose me as a customer and fan, as well as many other people apparently.
You are probably right, a developer either has to forget about expensive production values or submit to making AAA shit which can then gradually implement more complex mechanics. But I also think the context in which you release your game has a big part in it. Skyrim and Fallout 3's being crap was overlooked back in the day because the people largely didn't know any better. But releasing Fallout 76 in this day and age, in the same month as RDR2... they were asking for it.

Let me know when you find a modern faithful adaptation of Thief, then. Closest thing I found was Mark of the Ninja but that's a 2D platformer. Point remains: obviously in a modern AAA game you are not going to get the depth of yesteryear.

I will. None so far, I agree.

 

[Gerrard]

Todd Howard in an interview very soon : "So we read online that a handful of people aren't happy with Fallout 76. And we heard you and not only did we hear you. We listened! As of today we are happy to announce that Fallout 76 will be free to play."

I'm sure all the Russians and BRs would make it a more realistic post-apoc experience.

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

Todd Howard in an interview very soon : "So we read online that a handful of people aren't happy with Fallout 76. And we heard you and not only did we hear you. We listened! As of today we are happy to announce that Fallout 76 will be free to play."

I'm sure all the Russians and BRs would make it a more realistic post-apoc experience.

Most likely. I just don't understand why the Brazilians and Russians cheat so much online. Guess it's just their inferior subhuman genes that makes them that way

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

Most likely. I just don't understand why the Brazilians and Russians cheat so much online. Guess it's just their inferior subhuman genes that makes them that way

I can agree that my countryman can be most dumb people on Earth sometimes, but problem not in genes, problem in society and education.
Edit: Ofc, there cases of mutation, but as much as I know mutations have nothing to do with moral and ethical values.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I've seen people mutating into Fallout ghouls. It had something to do with a drug called "crocodile".

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Don't let Fallout 76 being a steaming pile of shit make you forget that time a GM in Age of Conan tried to have cyber-sex with a female avatar.

 

[The Anus Of Discontent]

Don't let Fallout 76 being a steaming pile of shit make you forget that time a GM in Age of Conan tried to have cyber-sex with a female avatar.

I have absolutely no idea why you even bring it up. Since you did however, I must correct you and say it was actually a male avatar to boot.

Spoiler

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

I've seen people mutating into Fallout ghouls. It had something to do with a drug called "crocodile".

Probably a Russian ethnic vault opened somewhere and they've been selling the drugs turning everyone into ghouls

 

[PorkBarrellGuy]

Don't let Fallout 76 being a steaming pile of shit make you forget that time a GM in Age of Conan tried to have cyber-sex with a female avatar.

I have absolutely no idea why you even bring it up. Since you did however, I must correct you and say it was actually a male avatar to boot.

Spoiler

 

[taxalot]

Don't let Fallout 76 being a steaming pile of shit make you forget that time a GM in Age of Conan tried to have cyber-sex with a female avatar.

I have absolutely no idea why you even bring it up. Since you did however, I must correct you and say it was actually a male avatar to boot.

Spoiler

When you're horny, you're horny

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Todd Howard in an interview very soon : "So we read online that a handful of people aren't happy with Fallout 76. And we heard you and not only did we hear you. We listened! As of today we are happy to announce that Fallout 76 will be free to play."

I'm sure all the Russians and BRs would make it a more realistic post-apoc experience.

Most likely. I just don't understand why the Brazilians and Russians cheat so much online. Guess it's just their inferior subhuman genes that makes them that way

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Don't let Fallout 76 being a steaming pile of shit make you forget that time a GM in Age of Conan tried to have cyber-sex with a female avatar.

I have absolutely no idea why you even bring it up. Since you did however, I must correct you and say it was actually a male avatar to boot.

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Ha ha... why did I bring it up? Let's just say I've served my purpose here.

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

Todd Howard in an interview very soon : "So we read online that a handful of people aren't happy with Fallout 76. And we heard you and not only did we hear you. We listened! As of today we are happy to announce that Fallout 76 will be free to play."

I'm sure all the Russians and BRs would make it a more realistic post-apoc experience.

Most likely. I just don't understand why the Brazilians and Russians cheat so much online. Guess it's just their inferior subhuman genes that makes them that way

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.

Sums Russians up pretty much.

 

[Duke Sud]

Don't let Fallout 76 being a steaming pile of shit make you forget that time a GM in Age of Conan tried to have cyber-sex with a female avatar.

I have absolutely no idea why you even bring it up. Since you did however, I must correct you and say it was actually a male avatar to boot.

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Ha ha... why did I bring it up? Let's just say I've served my purpose here.

Better lore than Skyrim76 I see your point

 

[Don Peste]

No Carpenter... No!

The man that gave the world Assault on Precinct 13, Michael Myers and Snake Plissken...

My childhood has been violently fucked. The sort of fucking that it takes 30 years to realize it was actually rape.

https://theplaylist.net/john-carpenter-potential-reboot-money-20181017/
“I’m Up For Almost Anything That Involves Money”
Relax dude.

But chillin for Fallout 76 really pays enough???

maybe he never actually played it. Or maybe his son played it.

That's being said, Carpenter is no stranger to popamole games. I heard he liked Last of Us and Horizon Zero Dawn.

 

[PorkBarrellGuy]

It's getting worse.

"On that note, there’s no effective way to opt out of player-vs-player (PvP) combat in the game. If someone starts attacking you, you’ll get cash rewards and take reduced damage, but eventually they’ll wear you down and kill you — and then take some of your stuff before you can respawn and recover it."

Yeah, this game is going to be a griefer's paradise.

Easy way to do it with F76's system (to my understanding):
1. Get a few people together, preferably with both a crappy-ass weapon and something that can do actual damage
2. Find a victim, surround him as best as possible, use crappy weapon to provoke and do chip damage
3. Either victim gets upset and turns on full PvP to respond with force (at which point you switch to your real weapons and lay him the fuck out) or he sits there and gets slowly chip-damaged to death

Remember when Hines or someone said F76 was going to be impossible to grief in? No one at Beth proper has ever actually dealt with a real fucking griefer in their lives.

 

[gruntar]

Wow, even CohhCarnage is going ham on Bethesda now, after a server crashed while he was killing that end game dragon scorchbeast with a bunch of people.

"People that are responsible for this should not be allowed to make games"
"This is an affront to the franchise"
"I'm sure that people that made Fallout 1 & 2 are just disgraced by this"

 

[AwesomeButton]

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.

 

[ADL]

Considering the overwhelming majority of technical issues are a result of Bethesda Maryland's 20+ year long neglect and continual bad decisions. The multiplayer is the least buggy part about the game so yeah I agree, Bethesda Maryland shouldn't be allowed to make games.

 

[PorkBarrellGuy]

Considering the overwhelming majority of technical issues are a result of Bethesda Maryland's 20+ year long neglect and continual bad decisions. The multiplayer is the least buggy part about the game so yeah I agree, Bethesda Maryland shouldn't be allowed to make games.

Supposedly much of F76 is the handiwork of Bethesda Austin?

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Remember when Hines or someone said F76 was going to be impossible to grief in? No one at Beth proper has ever actually dealt with a real fucking griefer in their lives.

Why even bother with a PVP component at all if you're going to do that goofy shit where you want to prevent 'griefing.' That's always what will happen and thematically having a Wild West type of world is what you'd think you want to aim for in a post apocalyptic wasteland.

In fact, if I can't grief in your online gaming experience then it sucks. Griefers have needs too.

 

[Metro]

The game might be moderately playable two years from now when modders have made pure co-op servers and Bethesda has lowered the price via sales to $10.

 

[ADL]

Considering the overwhelming majority of technical issues are a result of Bethesda Maryland's 20+ year long neglect and continual bad decisions. The multiplayer is the least buggy part about the game so yeah I agree, Bethesda Maryland shouldn't be allowed to make games.

Supposedly much of F76 is the handiwork of Bethesda Austin?

Yeah, once again demonstrating that every other studio handles their IPs better than the main studio does themselves. The Elder Scrolls Online, Fallout New Vegas, 76 and likely Blades too. Wish their situations were reversed because Maryland deserves to be the support studio.

 

[Latelistener]

Heard some good things about ESO, but it's mostly hated because it has the "Online" thing about it.

They'll probably try to push that shit on Austin though.

 

[Cyberarmy]

Dunno if anyone shared this before