Fallout: New Vegas

[MetalCraze]

KotOR2?

What's your point?

I didn't say Obsidian. I said Avellone and Sawyer.

Yes and what did Avellone do?
KotOR2 where different dialogue choices lead to the exact same responses - the same crap Bioware is bashed for? KotOR2 where the story ends up so lame and as TSLRP beta proved Avellone really fucked up in the end.
Alpha Protocol? The game looks like a generic console shooter with useless stats and minigames - a new low for Obsidian.

And what did Sawyer do that wasn't a mediocrity?

When it comes to Fallout, they are second only to the original team. Can they fuck it up? Absolutely. However, unlike Bethesda who simply couldn't do it right, there is a very high chance that these guys can do a proper Fallout game. That's all I'm saying.

They can?
Oh but will they do it by themselves? That's why "Obsidian". Obsidian is very crappy dev team, basically everything except MotB was a terrible game, so what's the fascination with them?

 

[Darth Roxor]

They are making new Fallout for bethesda, the way bethesda wants them to make it. Doesn't matter if you have Cain, Boyarsky, Taylor etc as new Fallout devs if Todd controls everything.

Dunno lad. It's not like Bioware was controlling everything in nwn2 and KotOR2.

 

[Longshanks]

[blind optimism]Wow! Maybe something good will actually come of Bethesda purchasing the Fallout IP.[/blind optimism]

 

[JarlFrank]

...by the gods, they should start making more games of their own. Even their now most probably cancelled Alien RPG was based off another franchise. Everything they do is based off another franchise. They probably don't have any people who can create settings or something.

Yeah, because that's what every publisher wants. An original and creative IP. It's quite a wet dream. Think before you post?

I imagine that Obsidian is already well-known enough as a studio to be able to make original IPs. When Bethesda would come up with their own original IP, everyone would salivate over it. And Bioware, Obsidian's "big brother" are creating their own IP with Dragon Age right now. There's no reason why Obsidian can't do it, either.

 

[Darth Roxor]

anyway, an hour and 20 minutes have already produced 3 pages of rants. I foresee at least 8 more by tomorrow evening

 

[gothfox]

"It will be the same sort of role-playing game experience seen in Fallout 3, he said"

Ah. That should pretty much sum this project up.

 

[MetalCraze]

Oh no, in fact, I believe they would be great for Fallout devs. So what? They are making new Fallout for bethesda, the way bethesda wants them to make it. Doesn't matter if you have Cain, Boyarsky, Taylor etc as new Fallout devs if Todd controls everything.

Oh cut this crap with "innocent Obsidian"
It isn't like Bethesda forced them to sign a contract to rape, Obsidian will more than gladly rape it for the profits. From lesser Bioware to lesser Bethesda in one jump.

 

[Black]

They are making new Fallout for bethesda, the way bethesda wants them to make it. Doesn't matter if you have Cain, Boyarsky, Taylor etc as new Fallout devs if Todd controls everything.

Dunno lad. It's not like Bioware was controlling everything in nwn2 and KotOR2.

it will be based on Fallout 3's engine and gameplay style.

So says Ausir.

 

[Gnidrologist]

 

[gothfox]

I imagine that Obsidian is already well-known enough as a studio to be able to make original IPs.

Srsly. Obsidian is a studio which is well known to fuck up sequels. I'm not sure how this might translate to an ability to create new IPs and/or being successful at it.

 

[Hobo Elf]

And I still have not played a single Fallout game.

I think more Fallout games will mean that the originals should become easier to find; maybe they'll make a collector's edition, and I'll finally get to playing this newfangled Fallout stuff everybody keeps talking about.

They already are. Gog.com, for example.

 

[MetalCraze]

I imagine that Obsidian is already well-known enough as a studio to be able to make original IPs. When Bethesda would come up with their own original IP, everyone would salivate over it. And Bioware, Obsidian's "big brother" are creating their own IP with Dragon Age right now. There's no reason why Obsidian can't do it, either.

Name me at least one original IP that Obsidian created.
KotOR - KotOR2
NWN - NWN2
Mass Effect - Mass Effect in Middle-East
Aliens - Aliens RPG (thankfully failed)
and now Fallout 3 - Fallout 3 New Rape

And Dragon Age - a new IP? I think it is more than clear that it is LotR rip-off

 

[JarlFrank]

I imagine that Obsidian is already well-known enough as a studio to be able to make original IPs. When Bethesda would come up with their own original IP, everyone would salivate over it. And Bioware, Obsidian's "big brother" are creating their own IP with Dragon Age right now. There's no reason why Obsidian can't do it, either.

Name me at least one original IP that Obsidian created.
KotOR - KotOR2
NWN - NWN2
Mass Effect - Mass Effect in Middle-East
Aliens - Aliens RPG (thankfully failed)
and now Fallout 3 - Fallout 3 New Rape

And Dragon Age - a new IP? I think it is more than clear that it is LotR rip-off

As I said, Obsidian never did make an original IP except for Alpha Protocol.
And what's even worse... two of their games, KotoR2 and NWN2, are not only based on the Star Wars and D&D universe... they're also sequels to *other* games which have been made in these settings. You can't get any more not-original-IP-creating than that.

Vince does have a point though. Creating original IPs is more risky and more expensive than making sequels to well-known and popular games. Still, Obsidian should have the possibilities of creating their own IPs by now [which they do with Alpha Protocol, but that's only one].

 

[MetalCraze]

I just don't get this Codex' fascination with Obsidian. What is so special about them? I mean what did they do apart from MotB that wasn't crap? I don't get it.

 

[gothfox]

I just don't get this Codex' fascination with Obsidian. What is so special about them? I mean what did they do apart from MotB that wasn't crap? I don't get it.

Obsidian haz BIS guys! Gah! Or something.

 

[JarlFrank]

Yeah, they got some guys who made good games in the past. Most notably Avellone.
They still suck at making combat interesting and creating bug-free games, though.

 

[Vault Dweller]

I imagine that Obsidian is already well-known enough as a studio to be able to make original IPs.

And what publisher would want to invest into a risky new setting?

When Bethesda would come up with their own original IP, everyone would salivate over it.

First, Bethesda is both a developer and a publisher. Second, what original IP? They spent the last decade milking TES and then bought the Fallout IP.

And Bioware, Obsidian's "big brother" are creating their own IP with Dragon Age right now. There's no reason why Obsidian can't do it, either.

a) Dragon Age was in a slow-cooking mode for years. It took Bio a long time to find a publisher and start a full scale development. And that's Bio, a proven moneymaker.
b) In case you didn't notice, Bio took very few risks with the setting and it's very hard to call it original.

 

[MetalCraze]

Yeah, they got some guys who made good games in the past. Most notably Avellone.

Who did extremely shitty Descent to the Undermountain and a very good PS:T together with Planescape original creators who were helping him with everything design- and writing-wise. And then he showed his incompetence in KotOR2 and his desire to make games for dumb teenagers in AP. Avellone is extremely overrated.

 

[VonVentrue]

Is there anything that indicates that Avellone and Sawyer aren't a good choice for Fallout developers?

They aren't making a brand new Fallout game. They're making a stand-alone add-on for Fallout 3. Behind the scenes, someone else is pulling the strings.

 

[Phelot]

"It will be the same sort of role-playing game experience seen in Fallout 3"

So there will be shit lying everywhere that NPCs want to purchase for some reason.

 

[Turok]

Don´t know whats the problem with you guys.

If Obsidian begin to make games like troika guess where they will end?

I enjoy all Obsidian games more than any other games the last years so i have no complains agains then.

Obsidian will do a good work on FO3, the game is not for my taste, so i dont buy it (i test it) and thats it, i dont rant all days how bad is the game and how fallout franchise is dead or wathever.

I just hope Obsidian have some good scripts and dialog inside the game, the game is desesperate for someone make more coherent writing and dialogs. The gameplay will not change, is hard change it if you have besheda over your shoulder telling what to do.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Oh no, in fact, I believe they would be great for Fallout devs. So what? They are making new Fallout for bethesda, the way bethesda wants them to make it. Doesn't matter if you have Cain, Boyarsky, Taylor etc as new Fallout devs if Todd controls everything.

Why would Bethesda care? In fact, giving Obsidian the license is a smart move for Beth. They can't lose, no matter what happens.

And Fallout 3 wasn't that bad overall. It was an awful Fallout game, but that's one area that Obsidian can easily change. Tweak the character system, remove exploits from VATS, replace retarded dialogues with Good Stuff (TM), throw in more role-playing and different options, and you'll have a pretty good game. What seems to be the problem?

 

[Hobo Elf]

Vince does have a point though. Creating original IPs is more risky and more expensive than making sequels to well-known and popular games. Still, Obsidian should have the possibilities of creating their own IPs by now [which they do with Alpha Protocol, but that's only one].

I thought this was a forum for gamers and not business men. None of us give a flying fuck if something is risky or not, we just want a good game packaged in a fresh new IP.

 

[Turok]

Vince does have a point though. Creating original IPs is more risky and more expensive than making sequels to well-known and popular games. Still, Obsidian should have the possibilities of creating their own IPs by now [which they do with Alpha Protocol, but that's only one].

I thought this was a forum for gamers and not business men. None of us give a flying fuck if something is risky or not, we just want a good game packaged in a fresh new IP.

So you expect that all companys fallow the steps of troika??

Nice then lets force obsidian to make a game that not appeal casual gamers, they will sell lets say 50 mil copys and then go to bankrupt, good.

 

[Phelot]

Vince does have a point though. Creating original IPs is more risky and more expensive than making sequels to well-known and popular games. Still, Obsidian should have the possibilities of creating their own IPs by now [which they do with Alpha Protocol, but that's only one].

I thought this was a forum for gamers and not business men. None of us give a flying fuck if something is risky or not, we just want a good game packaged in a fresh new IP.

So you expect that all companys fallow the steps of troika??

Nice then lets force obsidian to make a game that not appeal casual gamers, they will sell lets say 50 mil copys and then go to bankrupt, good.

But the problem is that every developer is making games for casual gamers. It shouldn't have to be that way. Russia and a few other countries seem to be making some pretty innovative games.