Grimoire Thread

[Viata]

HP Lovecraft was a racist who thought all races besides whiteys were inferior and degenerate and yet he is beloved (and my favorite writer of all time too)

People are starting to hate him now.

 

[Musaab]

First review incomming:

Why do they always bring up the development time? The game was NOT in development for 20 years, Mr Blakemore has stated that yeah he didnt touch the game for much of the 2000s until he wanted to get the demo and superdemo ready
And why bring up his personal life? Half of the artists I have met are crazy and the other are assholes; it takes a particular sort of person for this sort of thing but why is their personal views and life something we should be concerned with?
Freddy Mercury is perhaps the best frontman of all time and nobody cared if he was more gay that Peter Pan in a pair of skates
Dali was a histronic asshole who did sculptures made out of his own shit before he died and nobody cared
HP Lovecraft was a racist who thought all races besides whiteys were inferior and degenerate and yet he is beloved (and my favorite writer of all time too)
If people cannot separate the person from what they produce or somehow it "taints" their products then they sound like the idiots that say "dont buy nutella because they exploit poor african countries" or "Mr Blakemore is kind of crazy so his game must be shit"

Look at some of his old videos. He hates Cleve with a passion, and even says multiple times about how he will never play Grimoire when it comes out and how it is trash.

 

[Latro]

HP Lovecraft was a racist who thought all races besides whiteys were inferior and degenerate and yet he is beloved (and my favorite writer of all time too)

No, he appreciated azns as "aesthetic superiors", specifically the Japanese (very funny to us now).

 

[NotAGolfer]

Thanks to this game I am playing Wizardry 7 for my initial play. I'm not good at it but mostly am just interested in these games. I'm a musician and I play these games to just learn about role playing in general, which I consider very interesting and imaginative. This release has had a big influence on me despite that I am not playing Grimoire, and can't even really play it right now since I use a Mac. I am also poor atm. I intend to buy it in the future after beating Wizardry 7.

That said I am honestly slightly curious how the fuck you guys figure stuff out, like story/puzzle wise. I like to think I'm intelligent but I think I am not getting deep into the game enough. I just want to keep killing shit and I have no idea where to look, get bored and look at a walkthrough. I doubt I'll ever really be the kind of person who plays entire games routinely just because my time is finite and mathematically there just isn't enough of it for me to play more than a few ...

I chose to put hundreds of hours into the seventh of the series over finishing the modern Fallout games because I felt that when reading about Grimoire, Cleve and others were onto something about Wizardry simply being a better and more rewarding gaming experience. I could play one or the other, but not both. I want Wizardry to be one of those games I actually finish, and I really think it belongs on the list of games that are widely known about today. I can't quite articulate why... it simply seems to me that until now this style of RPG had little mainstream following. I must say, once you can grasp what it's about, it's much more fun. I played Morrowind and I used to think that was the most dank gaming experience there was. I feel like if people had told me about this, and directed me in the proper direction, I would have saved a lot of my time and energy.

I feel like I can't be hardcore enough though. After an hour of wandering and leveling up and not being able to figure out who to talk to or whatever to do the next thing, I look at my wristwatch and think about how I am spending the small amount of time I have on this planet, and tend to look at a walkthrough. To be honest, I feel like that ruins it a bit. And I don't know to what extent that's my personal fault. I feel like to a large extent there is just absolutely no fucking way you could possibly figure out what to do next, and I'm at a major loss how people can play these games without folding and using walkthroughs. What the FUCK are you doing to progress without giving in and looking at the answer? Seriously. I hate to think of myself as a nerd or freak who sits around and takes games seriously, so that's probably why I am not giving in and getting all the way into it. This is some nerdy as fuck shit and I feel like the second I start getting that into it, I'll somehow render myself a permanently insta-virgin shut in. I mean I'm already halfway there I'm just scared to commit like that.

So just tell me how the fuck do you guys figure out how to progress in these games. I'm trashed

I'm having a similar experience with Wiz VI right now.
At first I played with one of these walkthroughs open in my browser because I just didn't know what was expected of me. Now that I cleared most of the castle levels and am on my way down the dwarven mines I start to kind of get it. What you have to do is play with an automapping tool that allows you to make your own notes on the map (both Wiz VI and VII have one available at moddb). And you have to carefully read every message that pops up on the screen and actively think about what it could mean. Is it a hint to search the surroundings? Do you have to activate something, like with a key or some tool? Did an NPC mention something that might be important, like a name or something he wants? And so on, just try not to let the dungeon grind lull you in, and don't just click away these text windows.
And don't forget to mark POIs and doors that are missing a key on the automap so you know where you might try to use that silver key, piece of cheese, rope or whatever.

Some things are still ridiculous like in a bad adventure game though. How am I supposed to know that I can merge heavy rope and hook and use both to cross that chasm? And how do they expect me to figure out which of these stupid gates can be opened with special keys? Some of them are obviously just background deco. Are they honestly expecting me to try every fucking key I have on every fucking gate? No can do, I'll go back to these online walkthroughs again if I ever get stuck with too many locked gates to choose from.
And how on earth could anyone play this without the game showing weapon stats? Or did people back in the days without internet get that identify spell asap and wrote down their own item stat list? Dafuk?
Thank god there's mad god's tool that lists the game's item data with all the stats.

The game's story doesn't interest me so far, it's getting to the next level and seeing if I can beat the enemies there (still very random, most battles are trash mobs but then there are suddenly 12 giant bats with 90 HP each) what it's all about.
Reminds me of Dark Souls tbh and I couldn't really get into that game either. Fighting my way through one level after another, avoiding the deadly traps, that always present gloomy atmosphere and sparse story bits here and there in a world that's mostly dead and hostile. Add the occasional quirky NPC and you got something that feels very similar to that game.

And I don't think that this will keep me hooked until the end. Maybe I'll abandon this and try Wizardry VII instead. The interface isn't that abysmal there anymore, right?

 

[Invictus]

First review incomming:

Why do they always bring up the development time? The game was NOT in development for 20 years, Mr Blakemore has stated that yeah he didnt touch the game for much of the 2000s until he wanted to get the demo and superdemo ready
And why bring up his personal life? Half of the artists I have met are crazy and the other are assholes; it takes a particular sort of person for this sort of thing but why is their personal views and life something we should be concerned with?
Freddy Mercury is perhaps the best frontman of all time and nobody cared if he was more gay that Peter Pan in a pair of skates
Dali was a histronic asshole who did sculptures made out of his own shit before he died and nobody cared
HP Lovecraft was a racist who thought all races besides whiteys were inferior and degenerate and yet he is beloved (and my favorite writer of all time too)
If people cannot separate the person from what they produce or somehow it "taints" their products then they sound like the idiots that say "dont buy nutella because they exploit poor african countries" or "Mr Blakemore is kind of crazy so his game must be shit"

Look at some of his old videos. He hates Cleve with a passion, and even says multiple times about how he will never play Grimoire when it comes out and how it is trash.

Well at least he is man enough to recognize he was wrong... it speaks very highly of him

 

[Lilura]

This is some nerdy as fuck shit and I feel like the second I start getting that into it, I'll somehow render myself a permanently insta-virgin shut in.

tbh, your post makes you sound worse than that so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[Viata]

That's it for me, guys. I'm pretty sure now the game can't be finished because some environment not being interactable and other bugs:

Spoiler

You can't enter Skulheim, even if that Vamphyr is your party.
You can't touch those cobwebs in Knossos Tower, which makes it impossible to progress.
Even if you kill the Wasp Queen, knok-konk still asks you to burn them, I guess those cocoons should be interactable too.
If there is any way to get pass the 3rd Coil of bahomet megalith, then it's in those three places I mentioned above, otherwise it's also bugged since there is no switch to help you there.

I'll wait until Cleve fix it.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

Gimme dem dolla bills. Does Golden Era Games have any plans to invest in one of those troublesome Win 10 / 4k / gaming mouse systems, for testing purposes Cleve? Or is Firehold Gamma higher priority?

 

[DavidBVal]

First review incomming:

Why do they always bring up the development time? The game was NOT in development for 20 years, Mr Blakemore has stated that yeah he didnt touch the game for much of the 2000s until he wanted to get the demo and superdemo ready
And why bring up his personal life? Half of the artists I have met are crazy and the other are assholes; it takes a particular sort of person for this sort of thing but why is their personal views and life something we should be concerned with?
Freddy Mercury is perhaps the best frontman of all time and nobody cared if he was more gay that Peter Pan in a pair of skates
Dali was a histronic asshole who did sculptures made out of his own shit before he died and nobody cared
HP Lovecraft was a racist who thought all races besides whiteys were inferior and degenerate and yet he is beloved (and my favorite writer of all time too)
If people cannot separate the person from what they produce or somehow it "taints" their products then they sound like the idiots that say "dont buy nutella because they exploit poor african countries" or "Mr Blakemore is kind of crazy so his game must be shit"

Look at some of his old videos. He hates Cleve with a passion, and even says multiple times about how he will never play Grimoire when it comes out and how it is trash.

Well at least he is man enough to recognize he was wrong... it speaks very highly of him

... That's one possibility. The other is that both before and now he does what brings more viewers to his channel.

Let your faith in human nature be the judge on which is the case. I often give people the benefit of doubt, but he blatantly lied about his indiegogo pledge and trashed the superdemo (which is not so different from early hours in Grimoire) so my money is in "opportunistic"

 

[felipepepe]

You can't enter Skulheim

Yes, you can.

Spoiler

They are servants of darkness, show the Bane of Hobnob to the gate guard

 

[Gepeu]

Gimme dem dolla bills. Does Golden Era Games have any plans to invest in one of those troublesome Win 10 / 4k / gaming mouse systems, for testing purposes Cleve? Or is Firehold Gamma higher priority?

You're looking at a budget of Grimoire 2, hopefully.

 

[Latro]

I'm curious to see V2 with the achievements, I wanna track how many players accomplish a certain % of the game. It's a huge game and most steam games only have about 5% of people accomplish even mid-game stuff for mundane shit like Dragon Age.

 

[donnus]

HP Lovecraft was a racist who thought all races besides whiteys were inferior and degenerate and yet he is beloved (and my favorite writer of all time too)

People are starting to hate him now.

except he literally never said "all races are inferior to whites"
anyone with the most minute respect toward data recognizes that the intelligence studies do not signify an obvious or even remotely-obvious tendency toward Anglo-Saxon genes
not that I don't think anglo-saxon's are "intelligent"
i don't really care all two ways about the whining surrounding the issue of objective blahdy blahdy blah

 

[donnus]

This is some nerdy as fuck shit and I feel like the second I start getting that into it, I'll somehow render myself a permanently insta-virgin shut in.

tbh, your post makes you sound worse than that so I wouldn't worry about it.

I praise you for your post. You have definitely shown me my error. I had a dream last night about some kind of whorish weird, family related situation. I DK.

 

[Haba]

I really have to say, I am starting to hate the end-game battles with special passion.

Enemies that have 10 actions, killing half of your party, casting charm, sleep and all sorts of shit. Not because it is challenging, most often they can't kill the remaining half of the party.

So that just means really annoying, drawn out fight that takes ages to get out and takes ages to recover from (party members with -1000 health, requiring up to five uses of "Caduceus of Life" to get back in action.

I'm simply reloading certain enemies all together. You can either RNG a fight with rapesquad that takes five minutes or ?WORMS? that die before spellcasters even get to cast their spells...

At least I can take pleasure in knowing that all the dumbfucks who minimized their speed on their bards will be arsefucked, since their bards will be dead before they will ever get to act...

 

[donnus]

Thanks to this game I am playing Wizardry 7 for my initial play. [...] This release has had a big influence on me despite that I am not playing Grimoire [...] I intend to buy it in the future after beating Wizardry 7.

[...] I am honestly slightly curious how the fuck you guys figure stuff out

I'm having a similar experience with Wiz VI right now. [...]

I definitely appreciate this. Can't say I really mind the hangups. If I get super fucked up I just look up the answer but I guess I'm just kind of thinking, well you have to be kidding me. Who the hell actually originally figured out the answer? It's kind of interesting in terms of like, back in the 90s it seemed like you could just sit around in the summer heat and just do whatever for hours. But today, you have so much information you want to log off and do something else... need to check and see what you've missed. The idea of just getting lost in a virtual world for the intuitive fuck of it is almost like a sin today. You're almost like, not supposed to get really genuinely just randomly into anything. You have to double check to see if it fits the conception of the Facebook Media Empire and whether or not it would or would not bring you some kind of attention/likes/upvotes were you to share your experience. It's a rather sad time, really. I don't care too much.

I mean personally killing off the fucking Rattkin Rogues and Munks is a damn good time for me. The animations are fucking bollocks well... it's DOS... but I'm just saying its not a Pixar Film. That said do you play it to see the animations... heh... go watch fucking Finding Dory if that's your problem. I play it because I want to get lost in a story that immerses my spirit and mind and personal ideas of the world and trains me to think differently. Wizardry 7, so far, excels at that in a way nothing does otherwise. The fighting system is amazing. There is almost always something else to figure out or learn. Through that a story forms.

I guess my only personal problem is I feel like I'm legitimately just too short-term-memory oriented to even be able to follow the story, or whatever the hell the story even is. I have a text file I keep tons of interactions in and notes, but I don't really have any coherent concept of what I'm doing in general. I feel like for a "story" if you're thinking about a book, or great tales, it's important for that. I'm not a game designer but I feel like if I was, I'd definitely take all of these things into account when trying to make the ultimate RPG. Frankly, I think Grimoire's writing from some of what I've seen looks really excellent, like in a rare fashion.

That said, I'm still just gonna keep with the seventh in the series prior - I have neither a solid financial background nor a Windows computer at the current time. I'm fine with waiting until circumstances permit me to play Grimoire to lay down 40 American well earned dollars for a game that someone else has poured their time and thought into. As a musician it is my belief that one should set the price and value of their own products. It's a rare belief but I think creators of all stripes who spend 100s - 1000s of hours on a product or work of digital art that they make have the same world-view. We all download shit but... well.. when you're the one who poured in 1000s of hours and often times 1000s of dollars and have kids to raise and food to buy at the store, you realize how piracy is actually basically a criminal activity. At least, you feel that way. At least I do. There really isn't a damn thing to be done about it, though. I found that out the hard way after struggling against it and trying to convince people that it was not ethically right. Such debates have already been lost and there is literally zero chance they will ever be won, at least not for a long time. Realistically one just has to adapt to some extent, in my view.

Either way, this is the game for me and I've played enough games to know that this is the game I want to spend hundreds of hours on, as opposed to other options that are available. I feel like it's kind of a niche thing but I absolutely am certain of my own personal experience with games to know this.

 

[Danthar]

Rating on steam is back to mostly positive! :D

 

[Rpguy]

So I decided to make a feyfolk bard, I thought lets go with female they will get +5 fellowship -5 strength but you need tons of fellowship for jester so that's sounds ok.

But then I noticed no matter how many bonus points you roll your bard feyfolk male will always get +5 str and the female will only get +3 fellowship.

Nice coding Cleve.

 

[Rostere]

No idea why this happened... I always was supportive of the game and even defended it from trolls many times. My post today was "I'll probably gift grimoire this Christmas and will be happy to do it at full price"

This has to be a mistake. Maybe Cleveland Mark Blakemore misunderstood "gift" as meaning "sell" instead of the typical Steam meaning "buy as gift for someone else".

DavidBVal has also been active in making people switch their review ratings after the patches, which is great.

 

[Zenyrrah]

...

That said I am honestly slightly curious how the fuck you guys figure stuff out, like story/puzzle wise. I like to think I'm intelligent but I think I am not getting deep into the game enough. I just want to keep killing shit and I have no idea where to look, get bored and look at a walkthrough. ...

I chose to put hundreds of hours into the seventh of the series over finishing the modern Fallout games because I felt that when reading about Grimoire, Cleve and others were onto something about Wizardry simply being a better and more rewarding gaming experience. I could play one or the other, but not both. I want Wizardry to be one of those games I actually finish, and I really think it belongs on the list of games that are widely known about today. I can't quite articulate why... it simply seems to me that until now this style of RPG had little mainstream following. I must say, once you can grasp what it's about, it's much more fun. I played Morrowind and I used to think that was the most dank gaming experience there was. I feel like if people had told me about this, and directed me in the proper direction, I would have saved a lot of my time and energy.

I feel like I can't be hardcore enough though. After an hour of wandering and leveling up and not being able to figure out who to talk to or whatever to do the next thing, I look at my wristwatch and think about how I am spending the small amount of time I have on this planet, and tend to look at a walkthrough. To be honest, I feel like that ruins it a bit. And I don't know to what extent that's my personal fault. I feel like to a large extent there is just absolutely no fucking way you could possibly figure out what to do next, and I'm at a major loss how people can play these games without folding and using walkthroughs. What the FUCK are you doing to progress without giving in and looking at the answer? Seriously. I hate to think of myself as a nerd or freak who sits around and takes games seriously, so that's probably why I am not giving in and getting all the way into it. This is some nerdy as fuck shit and I feel like the second I start getting that into it, I'll somehow render myself a permanently insta-virgin shut in. I mean I'm already halfway there I'm just scared to commit like that.

So just tell me how the fuck do you guys figure out how to progress in these games. I'm trashed

I make the game the centerpiece of my live and write the walkthrough myselve. Cleve has been so nice to make an Automap so I don't have to draw them maps anymore...

P.S. As an musician you might appreciate some soundtrack to go with the game

 

[Rostere]

So I decided to make a feyfolk bard, I thought lets go with female they will get +5 fellowship -5 strength but you need tons of fellowship for jester so that's sounds ok.

But then I noticed no matter how many bonus points you roll your bard feyfolk male will always get +5 str and the female will only get +3 fellowship.

Nice coding Cleve.

Er... Yes?

Males get +25% STR, females get +20% FEL, with corresponding maluses.

 

[Streaming Instability]

So I decided to make a feyfolk bard, I thought lets go with female they will get +5 fellowship -5 strength but you need tons of fellowship for jester so that's sounds ok.

But then I noticed no matter how many bonus points you roll your bard feyfolk male will always get +5 str and the female will only get +3 fellowship.

Nice coding Cleve.

Er... Yes?

Males get +25% STR, females get +20% FEL, with corresponding maluses.

The male/female bonuses and penalties are a good source of clueless butthurt. There is apparently some female-only gear in the game, is anybody going to get up in arms about that?

No? Oh, ok.

 

[Brzęczyszczykiewicz]

Gimme dem dolla bills. Does Golden Era Games have any plans to invest in one of those troublesome Win 10 / 4k / gaming mouse systems, for testing purposes Cleve? Or is Firehold Gamma higher priority?

You're looking at a budget of Grimoire 2, hopefully.

With release date during collapse of western Europe.

 

[Sacred82]

bros, fullscreen is set, but Grimoire deigns only to start in a window. Alt-tabbing of course doesn't work. Wat do?

 

[DavidBVal]

bros, fullscreen is set, but Grimoire deigns only to start in a window. Alt-tabbing of course doesn't work. Wat do?

Exit and enter game again.