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Grimoire Thread

Discussion in 'Golden Era Games' started by LESS T_T, Aug 4, 2017.

  1. Cleveland Mark Blakemore Golden Era Games Übermensch Developer Sad Loser

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    It's important to me too. Got a lot of stuff going on right now. I want to release 3.0 as soon as I can.
     
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  2. Reapa Doom Preacher

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    basic math = autism?
     
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  3. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    I still hold out hope that someday Mittelmensch Blakemore will be that man. Retarded just means slow not stationary, and the tortoise wins in the end.
     
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  4. Butter Arcane

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    I just made a Barrower Thamaturge with 30 points and got 24 as a bonus. Not sure what you did wrong.
     
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  5. Reapa Doom Preacher

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    probably playing v2 because in v3 you can't chose window resolution in window mode.
    but good to know, thanks.
    who would have thought v2 didn't have basic shit implemented...
    and the question remains: what the fuck is making the borrower need only 12 points instead of 15?

    nah, fuck you, i just tried it again in v3. got 26 and was left with 11.
    26-15=11
    also (Note: Anything below 15 extra points is ignored and cannot be distributed. This is not a bug.) bullshit. rolled naga metalsmith with 41, should have gotten 16. didn't get shit.
     
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  6. Reapa Doom Preacher

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    and rhattu pirate should need 80. instead it's supposed to only require 48. why??? that's a huge difference.
    and is this only at start or when multiclassing too?
    there's no logic to this shit and no explanation either.
     
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  7. Reapa Doom Preacher

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    apparently the points rolled are multiplied by the table multiplier as opposed to
    What the Multiplier Bonus means:

    • It gives you a multiplier bonus or penalty to the amount of skill points you get on each levelup
    • It gives you a multiplier bonus or penalty to the natural resistances of that race (this is kept even after changing class!)
    • When creating a character, it gives you a multiplier bonus or penalty to the unused portion of the points you roll (these can be put into extra HP, attribute points or skill points)
    thanks wiki.

    so it's ok if rhattu pirate only needs 48 rolled points because 48x1.7=81.6
     
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  8. Reapa Doom Preacher

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    BUT:
    26x1.3=33.8
    33.8-15=18.8
    and yet i only got 11 points left on my barrower thaumaturge. so the game does something stupid after character creation.
     
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  9. Reapa Doom Preacher

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    motherfucker!
    the game tells me after a roll of 27 that i have 20 bonus points left. i assign them to attributes, start the game and it's 12!!!!
    it steals from me.
     
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  10. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer Sad Loser

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    Working as intended.
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  11. Reapa Doom Preacher

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    alright, check this out:
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  12. Reapa Doom Preacher

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    yo, Cleveland Mark Blakemore , what's with the attribute point theft? and why is it like a tax? the more points we have the more gets stolen.
     
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  13. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    ?Are you a bitch cunt?
    >> Yes > Lose attribute points
    >> No > Retain attribute points
     
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  14. Cleveland Mark Blakemore Golden Era Games Übermensch Developer Sad Loser

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    The bonus determines what vocations are available because it can reach the requirements for that profession with the bonus.

    Once selected, the points required to make the minimum attributes for that profession are deducted. This is the exact way it works in many RPGs during character creation.
     
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  15. Cleveland Mark Blakemore Golden Era Games Übermensch Developer Sad Loser

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    Certain races have a natural advantage for certain professions. This is reflected in the multiplier for that class. The Rhattu make pirates much easier than others.

    Now remember, if the multiplier increases the bonus points available and then deducts them then technically bonus remaining is never a negative number so in many cases bonus = 0 when the multiplier is taken advantage of.
     
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  16. Oberon Learned

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    How many times in a playthrough do you typically change classes?
     
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  17. Lady Error █▓▒░ ░▒▓█ Patron

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    Strap Yourselves In
    There is no typical. You can skip class changes completely, or you can change the same character's class up to 12 times (only a few races qualify for that though).
     
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  18. Ludwig von Eisenthal Augur

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    I've changed all my characters at least 6-8 times if I remember correctly. My goal was to get two Jesters in my party and that was achievable pretty well, with a bit of planning ahead. You don't know anything of Grimoire if you don't experience these raving and massmurdering lunatics in action. They are glorious.
     
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  19. Reapa Doom Preacher

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    rolled naga metalsmith with 41, should have gotten 16 bonus points to spend after deduction. didn't get shit. <-- there is no multiplier involved, still 16 bonus points wasted after deduction. same thing happened to other races trying metalsmith, except for durandil.

    and look again at the pictures if you can't follow what i'm saying. in the picture case shit got deducted, bonus points left were shown as 30, and then at game start only 20 were left. you can see barrower was chosen, thaumaturge was chosen, bonus points left to spend were 30. at spending they got reduced to 20 attribute points.

    and this is from the wiki, assuming it's copied from the manual:
    What the Multiplier Bonus means:

    • It gives you a multiplier bonus or penalty to the amount of skill points you get on each levelup
    • It gives you a multiplier bonus or penalty to the natural resistances of that race (this is kept even after changing class!)
    • When creating a character, it gives you a multiplier bonus or penalty to the unused portion of the points you roll (these can be put into extra HP, attribute points or skill points)
    i scratched penalty because i didn't test sub par combinations. it says you get a bonus to the unspent (undeducted) bonusroll points. well, if it takes them back you don't really get a bonus.
     
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  20. Lady Error █▓▒░ ░▒▓█ Patron

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    Maybe that part of the wiki is wrong. It was written long before the manual came out.

    You could also, you know, check the actual manual.
     
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  21. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Real men don't read manuals!!!!

    Show Spoiler
    They just bitch on the Internet instead.
     
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  22. Reapa Doom Preacher

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    from the manual:
    "If you choose attributes, the bonus points will be available as points that can be custom added to existing attributes in the character review screen after the game has started. You will be able to add these points to any attribute other than destiny."
    both wrong. after the game tells you to chose how to spend them, some still get subtracted. and you can spend them on destiny points afterwards and even chose hom many of them instead of dumping them all at once.
     
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  23. PhantasmaNL Arcane Patron

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    The character creation module in Grimoire doubles as a git-gud filter.
    Only the most prestigious RPG connaisseurs will eventually succeed in creating a viable party of Heroes.
     
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  24. Oberon Learned

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    Planned party progression;

    Vamphyr

    Warrior -> Berserker -> Assassin

    Vamphyr
    Warrior -> Berserker -> Assassin -> Pirate

    Vamphyr
    Assassin -> Thief -> Bard -> Sage -> Thaum -> Necromancer

    Vamphyr
    Assassin -> Thief -> Bard -> Jester

    Vamphyr
    Thief -> Bard -> Jester

    Vamphyr
    Necromancer -> Sage

    Drow
    Wizard -> Thaum -> Necromancer

    NPC SLOT
    ????????
     
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  25. Butter Arcane

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    Getting to Jester with 2-3 class changes is basically impossible. It requires too many attribute points. You also lose a ton of attribute points when you change from Assassin to Thief. Normally the reason to do that change is because you've exhausted all the other classes and it's required in order to keep class changing, and you plan several further changes to make up the lost points.

    A more realistic approach to Jester:

    Thaumaturge -> Wizard -> Sage -> Cleric -> Bard -> Jester, or alternatively:
    Thaumaturge -> Wizard -> Sage -> Cleric -> Templar -> Warrior -> Berserker -> Ranger -> Thief -> Bard -> Jester

    The second path loses quite a few points going from Templar to Warrior, but getting 5 extra class changes makes up for it.
     
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