Hogwarts Legacy - Harry Potter open world action RPG prequel set in the late 1800s

[rusty_shackleford]

Everyone knows spellcasting is INT-based, and ravenclaw is the INT-max house. So why are there no amazing ravenclaw wizards?

Are Ravenclaw supposed to be the smartest, or just the most intelligent? Honest question - I didn't read the books.

Ravenclaws are supposed to be both intelligent *and* wise.

For example, the way to enter Ravenclaw dormitories is to answer a riddle. (which is why there have been cases where other members of other houses entered the Tower.

For example: What comes first? The Phoenix or the flame?

A circle has no beginning.

That one being the most basic Ravenclaw riddle.

if they're so smart why aren't they rich?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Since slytherin was infamous for being Voldemort sympathisers, it would, in this way, gradually get filled mostly by Voldemort sympathisers (because why would other kids wanna go to a house with such a stigma?). It actually makes sense in a way – the students who really wanna be in a certain house can go there, the rest will get divided based on numbers, to make the houses about equal in numbers. And just so that the kids don't throw a fuss when they get sent to Hufflepuff, we'll tell them a magic hat decided they go there and there and nothing can be done about it.

I'm not sure how the sorting hat functions, but basically I see two scenarios which are equally bad from a worldbuilding perspective - either it unintendedly portrays the Hogwarts administration as being incompetent in not anticipating what you've just said or it indeed sorts based on personal inclinations in which case the students we see in Slytherin do not reflect the virtues of the house as they had been laid down by Salazar. And the same thing also applies with the other houses to a lesser degree since Gryffindor is being portrayed as the protagonist house rather than the one focused on glory/athletics/(inspirational) leadership/etc, basically conflating being courageous and proactive with it (as if a Slytherin antagonist doesn't have to be courageous and proactive or even a sidekick from Ravenclaw, house to which Hermione would've naturally belonged if the house virtues actually mattered since she is ultimately inclined towards lecture & knowledge rather than towards the less cerebral pursuits one would naturally associate with Gryffindor).

 

[Nano]

Ideally I think that Hermione should've been a Ravenclaw (it fits her character after all)

I've heard Hermione is JKR's self-insert. If that's the case, I wonder if the placing of Hermione in Gryffindor represents how even though Rowling was one of the smart kids, she wishes she was one of the cool, brave kids.

 

[Sarathiour]

Wouldn't that make JKR transracialist ?

 

[Butter]

You guys are overthinking it. Rowling wanted to keep things simple for the children reading the books (the series isn't only for children, but the first one especially is aimed at very young readers). Gryffindor is where the good guys go, Slytherin is where the bad guys go. It's also convenient because it allows Harry, Ron and Hermione to be in the same classes and hang out in the same common room.

 

[Alex]

(...)
I'm not sure how the sorting hat functions,
(...)

Like all other magic, it is demons.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Rowling wanted to keep things simple for the children reading the books (the series isn't only for children, but the first one especially is aimed at very young readers).

That's all fine and dandy, issue is that she tried to take the series in both a more realistic (in terms of consistent worldbuilding rather than the fablelike appeal of the first books) and more 'mature' (i.e. young adult) direction, doing quite a bad job with it. And it's especially hilarious how, when faced with criticisms about the quality of her worldbuilding, she handwaves it away with poorly thought out (and clearly post hoc) lore justifications in interviews and what have you. Basically she's creating her own headcanon detached from her own books.

But meh, ultimately Harry Potter is nothing more than trashy literature whose main appeal is the cozy atmosphere that it conveys. Doesn't excuse poor writing, but I agree with you that it's besides the point if we are to think about what people enjoy about it.

 

[wwsd]

I read the 7 HP books back in the day and I still don't get what's the point of Hufflepuff or what their main characteristics are. Hard-working I guess? And otherwise basically the house for kids who can't pick another house.

Since slytherin was infamous for being Voldemort sympathisers, it would, in this way, gradually get filled mostly by Voldemort sympathisers (because why would other kids wanna go to a house with such a stigma?). It actually makes sense in a way – the students who really wanna be in a certain house can go there, the rest will get divided based on numbers, to make the houses about equal in numbers. And just so that the kids don't throw a fuss when they get sent to Hufflepuff, we'll tell them a magic hat decided they go there and there and nothing can be done about it.

I'm not sure how the sorting hat functions, but basically I see two scenarios which are equally bad from a worldbuilding perspective - either it unintendedly portrays the Hogwarts administration as being incompetent in not anticipating what you've just said or it indeed sorts based on personal inclinations in which case the students we see in Slytherin do not reflect the virtues of the house as they had been laid down by Salazar. And the same thing also applies with the other houses to a lesser degree since Gryffindor is being portrayed as the protagonist house rather than the one focused on glory/athletics/(inspirational) leadership/etc, basically conflating being courageous and proactive with it (as if a Slytherin antagonist doesn't have to be courageous and proactive or even a sidekick from Ravenclaw, house to which Hermione would've naturally belonged if the house virtues actually mattered since she is ultimately inclined towards lecture & knowledge rather than towards the less cerebral pursuits one would naturally associate with Gryffindor).

I don't know if it was ever addressed in any of the spin-off material, but they could easily retcon this kind of thing in material like this game. Like say the Slytherin of the HP books was just the sad decline one, uncomparable to some older monocled Slytherin.

 

[BlizzardStockholmSyndrome]

On a more serious note, while there's nothing wrong with the concept of Hogwarts having various houses centered on different student inclinations, I think that Rowling did a really poor job of integrating that into her worldbuilding. Particularly in the case of Slytherin where there are no good characters (besides Snape I guess, but he's good in spite of being in Slytherin due to his simping for Harry's mother rather than him representing a proper embodiment of his house as portrayed by Rowling) and the main representatives we get are crybaby Malfoy and his dumb & dumber sidekicks who'd sooner fit in Hufflepuff (or perhaps Gryffindor as unvirtuous members given that they're essentially jocks, only that Rowling portrays them as unheroic bullies) rather than Slytherin. And it's also silly in that they're basically a hotbed for the children of those families that were associated with Voldemort in the past (hence acting as an echo chamber for them to reinforce their anti-establishment views), something that the school is supposedly too dumb and/or naive to realize.

And it's also kinda silly with how far the segregation between houses is taken. Ideally I think that Hermione should've been a Ravenclaw (it fits her character after all) and Ron perhaps a Hufflepuff (his family being quite superfluous in a wholesome sort of way, his older brothers being pranksters and so on) as to show how students from these houses intermingle and to avoid portraying Gryffindor as the protagonist house (vs the antagonist house of Slytherin and the sidekick houses of helpful Ravenclaw & comic relief Hufflepuff), perhaps with an added Slytherin character as part of Harry's close entourage.

Mate, you've put more thought into the house dynamics and a message of "not judge books by its cover" that Rowling did in her entire career. The books are YA fiction, not even good YA fiction (otherwise the premise of the 4th book would have been 3 students from 3 schools competing in the tourney while Harry and co do the investigation on the side while no one believes them; instead we have Mary Sue Potter being the center of the universe again) so, if I were to play it, I would play as a CHAD slytherin Hydromancer (because he makes all his female classmates WET, youknowwatimsayin'). Why? Because I fucking hate the Harry Potter Universe and I'm tired of this make believe world.

I stopped caring about HP when I got into my teens because Rowling never bothers to answer the question, what is the cost of magic? Magic is just magic but does the character have a mana bar? a soul? can they cast low level spells and cantrips all day? What are the limits to the game?

Since Rowling never bothered to answer these questions and the universe was coopted by obese, aging catladies then my only reason to play it would be to become what they hate the most (Slytherin Chad Thundercock) and beat them at their own universe.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

You guys are overthinking it. Rowling wanted to keep things simple for the children reading the books (the series isn't only for children, but the first one especially is aimed at very young readers). Gryffindor is where the good guys go, Slytherin is where the bad guys go. It's also convenient because it allows Harry, Ron and Hermione to be in the same classes and hang out in the same common room.

The Hobbit is for children, but it's not purposely kept simple.

 

[Butter]

You guys are overthinking it. Rowling wanted to keep things simple for the children reading the books (the series isn't only for children, but the first one especially is aimed at very young readers). Gryffindor is where the good guys go, Slytherin is where the bad guys go. It's also convenient because it allows Harry, Ron and Hermione to be in the same classes and hang out in the same common room.

The Hobbit is for children, but it's not purposely kept simple.

Yeah, and Tolkien was a better writer than Rowling is.

I reread the Harry Potter books this year, and going through the series is watching her improve at her craft over time. I would say her strength isn't worldbuilding, but rather plotting and pacing, which peak in book 6 and 7.

 

[kangaxx]

Presumably Hufflepuff is where they hive off all the furries and troons?

 

[Zombra]

I don't care about Harry Potter at all, which explains why I chose to engage this thread and expound upon my persistent and complicated thoughts and emotions on the subject. Nope. Don't care one bit.

 

[BlizzardStockholmSyndrome]

I don't care about Harry Potter at all, which explains why I chose to engage this thread and expound upon my persistent and complicated thoughts and emotions on the subject. Nope. Don't care one bit.

Don't care about the Harry Potter lore (canon lore, there is no extended universe that I know of) but I've always felt that there could be so much more that could be done with the series, the games or the world. Also, don't tell me that the idea of boarding school simulator doesn't sound comfy at all. You have this yuge castle to explore, you get to use weapons of mass destruction and you get to relieve your high school years as a god damn wizard.
That appeals to me, which is why I will still come to this thread.

Another rpg that did the Harry Potter experience was Hero-U, by the same couple that did the Quest for Glory series. There is always Academagia but it's been 10 years since I played it and I don't think they are even in year 3 yet.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Don't care about the Harry Potter lore (canon lore, there is no extended universe that I know of) but I've always felt that there could be so much more that could be done with the series, the games or the world. Also, don't tell me that the idea of boarding school simulator doesn't sound comfy at all. You have this yuge castle to explore, you get to use weapons of mass destruction and you get to relieve your high school years as a god damn wizard.
That appeals to me, which is why I will still come to this thread.

p. much

The setting works best when it's low level adventure and/or slice of life. And as the series went on, it played less and less to its strengths.

 

[BlizzardStockholmSyndrome]

The setting works best when it's low level adventure and/or slice of life. And as the series went on, it played less and less to its strengths.

Yeah, the series kept jumping back and forth that threshold where you know there is a larger than life threat looming around but suddenly we have to win the House cup! There could be a large threat but confined to the walls of the castle, like book 2 or book 3 and that would have been fine by me. But as soon as it was a war between good wizards and bad ones I felt like the series was meh. Or maybe it was because I read books 1-4 when I was 11-12 and by the time book 7 rolled out I was 15-16 and elbow deep in beatnik literature (god I was such an obnoxious faggot I could punch myself).

 

[Heroic Liberator]

The setting works best when it's low level adventure and/or slice of life. And as the series went on, it played less and less to its strengths.

Yeah, the series kept jumping back and forth that threshold where you know there is a larger than life threat looming around but suddenly we have to win the House cup! There could be a large threat but confined to the walls of the castle, like book 2 or book 3 and that would have been fine by me. But as soon as it was a war between good wizards and bad ones I felt like the series was meh. Or maybe it was because I read books 1-4 when I was 11-12 and by the time book 7 rolled out I was 15-16 and elbow deep in beatnik literature (god I was such an obnoxious faggot I could punch myself).

Never read the books, but I mirror your sentiments in terms of the film adaptations. 1-3 are the only good ones, with 4 already bringing to the forefront those misplaced narrative aspects that would only get more pronounced as the series went on.

And on a somewhat related note, Fantastic Beasts was such a missed opportunity in revitalizing the Wizarding World setting. Instead of turning it into an episodic adventure series about globetrotting in search of wondrous creatures, they just couldn't help themselves and had to repeat the mistakes of the Harry Potter series - trying to set it up as a prequel to the latter (a.i. expanding upon Dumbledore, the cursed chick that ended up becoming Voldemort's familiar and so on) and repeating the whole world shattering threat with Grindelwald serving the role of a Voldemort equivalent. At least with Harry's backstory it made sense, but Newt just had to be arbitrarily dragged into that big picture nonsense by the screenwriters.

 

[vota DC]

Play as a Slytherin chad fucking other pure-blooded Slytherin bitches...
Enough with those Gryffindor fags already.

Sadly everyone Is underage, unless you get the teachers but then you would be a Macron rather than a Chad.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Play as a Slytherin chad fucking other pure-blooded Slytherin bitches...
Enough with those Gryffindor fags already.

Sadly everyone Is underage, unless you get the teachers but then you would be a Macron rather than a Chad.

He be puttin' the necro in NecroLord,

 

[Wunderbar]

Slytherin are the only house worth a damn because they're the only ones interested in retaining pure blood. Everyone else is going to dilute themselves until they're performing street magic. Ravenclaws apparently aren't clever enough to grok genetics.

i don't think it was stated in the books that diluting one's bloodline would result in decline in power. Otherwise there would be no mudbloods at all since their parents had no magic abilities. The bad guy Voldemort, supposedly the most powerful wizard ever, was a half-blood (and his wizard mother had pathetic abilities).

 

[Butter]

Slytherin are the only house worth a damn because they're the only ones interested in retaining pure blood. Everyone else is going to dilute themselves until they're performing street magic. Ravenclaws apparently aren't clever enough to grok genetics.

i don't think it was stated in the books that diluting one's bloodline would result in decline in power. Otherwise there would be no mudbloods at all since their parents had no magic abilities. The bad guy Voldemort, supposedly the most powerful wizard ever, was a half-blood (and his wizard mother had pathetic abilities).

But Squibs and mudbloods are rare. Much more common is for wizard parents to produce wizard children and Muggle parents to produce Muggle children. It can only be concluded that this is a heritable trait. Heritable traits can be recessive, or express themselves unexpectedly, e.g. dwarfism.

 

[BruceVC]

I loved the HP movies but I have never read the books. I watched a gameplay video on this game and it looks fun. I am going to be following reviews and gamers feedback once its released

 

[NecroLord]

Play as a Slytherin chad fucking other pure-blooded Slytherin bitches...
Enough with those Gryffindor fags already.

Sadly everyone Is underage, unless you get the teachers but then you would be a Macron rather than a Chad.

He be puttin' the necro in NecroLord,

NOOOOOO!

God damn it.

 

[Reinhardt]

funny how codex knows names of the houses and what they do. i've lost bits of respect for this place i didn't know i even had left...

 

[NecroLord]

funny how codex knows names of the houses and what they do. i've lost bits of respect for this place i didn't know i even had left...

We're just discussing shit,mate.
Imagine actually taking Harry Potter seriously...