Hogwarts Legacy - Harry Potter open world action RPG prequel set in the late 1800s

[rusty_shackleford]

I do recall Hermione saying she did cast the magic to make them forget they even had a daughter in order to keep them safe, while she was in hidding and everything suggests they were Muggles.

That makes essentially no sense with the slightest examination.
"Man, how did our bank accounts keep getting charged for children's clothing, food, and school supplies for so many years without us noticing? And why do our neighbors, relatives, the census office, the tax office, AND the police insist we used to have a daughter? And who is that girl in all these photographs? Also why do you look like you were pregnant in this one?"

They had a kid who died, next question.

 

[markec]

 

[Dhaze]

Aborta Kedavra?

Fetus Deletus.

Reverso Impregnato.

That makes essentially no sense with the slightest examination.

Almost nothing in the Harry Potter series can stand the slightest of scrutinies; it all crumbles at a glance. It's the kind of books in which you have to accept absolutely everything in good faith, at face value. This because aside from a handful of main plot ideas, Rowling put very little forethought into anything.

The aforementionned example of Hermione's parents might actually be one of the worst—i.e. one of the best—to demonstrate that notion. Doubtlessly one the funniest.

As established, at one point Hermione says she has wholly modified her parents memory; then twenty-some pages later, presented with the supposedly imperative need to wipe the memories of two thugs and queried about a Memory Charm, she says that she "knows the theory, but has not cast one before." Obviously that raises an eyebrow. Fans questionned Rowling about this, who answered that, really, it's talking about different types of Memory Charm: wiping vs. modifying. Now this explanation of hers has go to be one the worst, most maladroit pirouette I've ever seen attempted to get oneself out of trouble; because anent the two thugs, there was precisely zero need to wipe their memory and a 'simple' modification would have proved equally useful, possibly even more.

Rowling mostly made it up as she went along, later recognised a handful of failings that were simply too massive to wave away, and either retconned or obfuscated throngs of other things thus ofttimes creating more blunders along her gauche way.

It is extremely entertaining. Remembering details from the books and wondering about the particulars and implications of some event, then reading Rowling's blundering explanations, and finally pondering said blunders and finding that they in turn change something else for the worst, is really really fun.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Aborta Kedavra?

Fetus Deletus.

Reverso Impregnato.

That makes essentially no sense with the slightest examination.

Almost nothing in the Harry Potter series can stand the slightest of scrutinies; it all crumbles at a glance. It's the kind of books in which you have to accept absolutely everything in good faith, at face value. This because aside from a handful of main plot ideas, Rowling put very little forethought into anything.

The aforementionned example of Hermione's parents might actually be one of the worst—i.e. one of the best—to demonstrate that notion. Doubtlessly one the funniest.

As established, at one point Hermione says she has wholly modified her parents memory; then twenty-some pages later, presented with the supposedly imperative need to wipe the memories of two thugs and queried about a Memory Charm, she says that she "knows the theory, but has not cast one before." Obviously that raises an eyebrow. Fans questionned Rowling about this, who answered that, really, it's talking about different types of Memory Charm: wiping vs. modifying. Now this explanation of hers has go to be one the worst, most maladroit pirouette I've ever seen attempted to get oneself out of trouble; because anent the two thugs, there was precisely zero need to wipe their memory and a 'simple' modification would have proved equally useful, possibly even more.

Rowling mostly made it up as she went along, later recognised a handful of failings that were simply too massive to wave away, and either retconned or obfuscated throngs of other things thus ofttimes creating more blunders along her gauche way.

It is extremely entertaining. Remembering details from the books and wondering about the particulars and implications of some event, then reading Rowling's blundering explanations, and finally pondering said blunders and finding that they in turn change something else for the worst, is really really fun.

You should have joined the codex long ago man.

 

[Harthwain]

deuxhero

People can truly believe that the real-life government is all-powerful. Or that the whole world is controlled by a single shadow council or somesuch. This is going already into Matrix territory. So if we do accept the existence of the secret world of magic next to real-life one, then being able to erase records of a single person from existence (or altering them) isn't that much of a stretch, especially with the magic involved. Suspension of disbelieft also plays a role in all this.

Here is my theory:

Hermione entered Hogwarts and as a result she got cover from her "government" (wizards) which has ties to real government (Muggles). This ought to take care of most of the official paperwork. While she was on the run I doubt that the evil mages were considerate enough to inform the Muggle government what's going on. If anything they most likely wanted to catch her themselves. The situation with the Ministry of Magic prosecuting a wife of a guy when Harry & Co infiltrate the Ministry of Magic is good enough example.

She got most of her expenses either covered earlier (when she had support of her parents) or by the school itself (I can't remember if school sends uniforms to the students via owl-mail or they get them on-site). I could be mistaken, but I think you had to pay in gold/cash back then, so there shouldn't be that many bank records and if there were, who really suddenly wakes up to check bills from years back?

Students basically live at Hogwarts so there is no food problem or her not visiting/being around and neighbours probably got used to her being "abroad". By the way, are you really asked about your children by people all that often? I also imagine she took care of her photograhps when she was around doing her forget-me spell on her parents (I mean, she is a wizard and a pretty good one at that).

Now this explanation of hers has go to be one the worst, most maladroit pirouette I've ever seen attempted to get oneself out of trouble; because anent the two thugs, there was precisely zero need to wipe their memory and a 'simple' modification would have proved equally useful, possibly even more.

...assuming that modification is easier than wiping.

 

[Dhaze]

You should have joined the codex long ago man.

Well I had lurked here for some time; and it looked such a friendly, warm, and all-accepting kind of place that it took a Mechajammer-induced level of trauma for me to come seek a measure of comfort amidst your ranks.

Here is my theory:

Hermione entered Hogwarts and as a result she got cover from her "government" (wizards) which has ties to real government (Muggles). This ought to take care of most of the official paperwork. While she was on the run I doubt that the evil mages were considerate enough to inform the Muggle government what's going on. If anything they most likely wanted to catch her themselves. The situation with the Ministry of Magic prosecuting a wife of a guy when Harry & Co infiltrate the Ministry of Magic is good enough example.

I'm thinking along those lines too.

We know that the Ministry Of Magic has a modicum of association to the government in Number 10, and possibly a bit of influence also. So I don't think it's too far-fetched to conceive such a notion would see Hermione modifying her parents' memories before asking for some help at a later date, perhaps on the part of Arthur Weasley, to cover what tracks she had not been able to touch. Extraordinary times, extraordinary measures and all that.

Withal, for Hermione, expunging the Muggle-kept records of herself is not even an imperative. The idea they have to be cleaned is predicated on the unlikelihood of evil wizards' rifling through them in order to find Hermione's parents; but we know such wizards are outright disdainful of all things Muggle, and I'd be really surprised to discover any pure-blooded, cousin-humping, lineage-touting supremacist who would even know where to begin searching after such records. And if a computer is involved, well, that's pretty much game over.

She got most of her expenses either covered earlier (when she had support of her parents) or by the school itself (I can't remember if school sends uniforms to the students via owl-mail or they get them on-site). I could be mistaken, but I think you had to pay in gold/cash back then, so there shouldn't be that many bank records and if there were, who really suddenly wakes up to check bills from years back?

They have to buy their wizard robes themselves before they even step foot aboard the Express.

And yes, absolutely, there wouldn't be many financial traces of Hermione's existance after her entry into Hogwarts. The specifics of converting pounds or whatever kind of Muggle money into Knuts, Sickles, and Galleons are never explained, but I always thought Muggle parents would simply withdraw some cash from their bank, before walking into Gringotts where the goblins would exchange it.

Now this explanation of hers has go to be one the worst, most maladroit pirouette I've ever seen attempted to get oneself out of trouble; because anent the two thugs, there was precisely zero need to wipe their memory and a 'simple' modification would have proved equally useful, possibly even more.

...assuming that modification is easier than wiping.

Oh on the whole, when altering the most minute details of memories years or decades in the making, it has to be harder! But in that specific instance, with Hermione having previous memory-altering experience to boot, I can't imagine it would have been harder for her to point at the pair of thuggish wizards she, Ron, and Harry had just beaten into unconsciousness, and make the pair believe they had encountered not Potter & Friends, but rather some random wizard who had uttered the taboo-stricken monicker of Voldemort.

Man, speaking about all that, I really do wonder what her editor thought. I noticed he had let slip some very basic errors like confounding jealousy with envy, poisonous with venomous, and things of a like ilk, so perhaps he wasn't bothered about the little details and was focused solely on the big-picture stuff?

Oh well. We'll see if Rowling decides to retcon yet more things in Hogwarts Legacy. Perhaps it'll be revealed Godric Gryffindor and Salazar Slytherin were an item, and the whole anguinous imagery will take a different meaning?

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Twitcher 3 is not a 'well hidden gem' in any way shape, or firm. Stop lying. Twitcher 3 sold millions got a TV show, and is more mainstream than Final Fantasy was. And Twitcher also sucks so it's no gem either. More like coal. The best thing Twitcher ever did was the nude cards and the woke police arrested them. Lmfao

Its a reference to MetalJesusRocks (aka Jason Lindsey of Sierra Online) in that he over uses and misuses the term "Hidden Gem".

 

[good fucking shit happen]

Please post more funny people from resetera

Nigga ain't nothing to post cuz those fags be so fuckin asshurt about the game they ban anyone talking about it. Rowling is IRL Voldemort mane. Bitches went all butthurtopocalypse in dat one thread where they snuck it in cuz it was the most anticipated game in a big list and they screeched until commienazi mods nuked the thread. Release day gonna be salt overload tho for sure.

 

[Jaedar]

Man, speaking about all that, I really do wonder what her editor thought. I noticed he had let slip some very basic errors like confounding jealousy with envy, poisonous with venomous, and things of a like ilk, so perhaps he wasn't bothered about the little details and was focused solely on the big-picture stuff?

The books were coming out pretty rapidly, at least early on. Potentially there just wasn't enough time for multiple revisions?

 

[Sarathiour]

It's notorious that Bloomsburry was a small editor, and the only one who accepted publishing her work. I am far from an expert, but maybe they just did not have the manpower to thoroughly proofread before publishing it.

 

[Comrade Goby]

Sucks its denuvo so you can't pirate it

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Sucks its denuvo so you can't pirate it

Yet

 

[Child of Malkav]

Sucks its denuvo so you can't pirate it

Eh, the whole pirate world sits on one schizo tranny to crack these games. I can't even....

 

[Dhaze]

Man, speaking about all that, I really do wonder what her editor thought. I noticed he had let slip some very basic errors like confounding jealousy with envy, poisonous with venomous, and things of a like ilk, so perhaps he wasn't bothered about the little details and was focused solely on the big-picture stuff?

The books were coming out pretty rapidly, at least early on. Potentially there just wasn't enough time for multiple revisions?

It's notorious that Bloomsburry was a small editor, and the only one who accepted publishing her work. I am far from an expert, but maybe they just did not have the manpower to thoroughly proofread before publishing it.

I'm sure you guys are right. Seven books (circa 3500 pages) in about ten years is a gargantuous amount of work, for both writer and editor. And with the first movie adaptation being released only shortly after the fourth book, that had to put a lot of pressure on the whole enterprise.

Still though, mistaking 'venomous' for 'poisonous'? Tsk. Though that can be very funny: in the last book some Ministry clerks complain about their colleagues from the department of Experimental Charms, saying, "... they're so careless, remember that poisonous duck?" Certainly Rowling meant venomous, but in the end it's funnier that way. Because really, what happened? A random duck walked into the Ministry, and a clerk went, "Well, we'd better cook that duck!"

Sucks its denuvo so you can't pirate it

Eh, the whole pirate world sits on one schizo tranny to crack these games. I can't even....

Wait, is he/she/xum still tripping on that whole 'pay me and worship me' attitude? That was some of the most bizarre, half delirium, half nervous breakdown stuff I've ever seen.

 

[Lagole Gon]

True story time. My sister met JK when she was waiting tables in Scotland. She was super nice, gave her a generous tip, an autograph and even took a photo with her.

I have your back JK. Just give me the signal when the terf war starts.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Still though, mistaking 'venomous' for 'poisonous'? Tsk. Though that can be very funny: in the last book some Ministry clerks complain about their colleagues from the department of Experimental Charms, saying, "... they're so careless, remember that poisonous duck?

Dumbass idiots caught a platypus and couldn't even tell the difference.

 

[Dhaze]

Still though, mistaking 'venomous' for 'poisonous'? Tsk. Though that can be very funny: in the last book some Ministry clerks complain about their colleagues from the department of Experimental Charms, saying, "... they're so careless, remember that poisonous duck?

Dumbass idiots caught a platypus and couldn't even tell the difference.

Would be hilarious if wizards had, for some reason, never seen some improbable animals.

Some wizard, rushing into the Ministry Of Magic's atrium: "Muggles learned how to do magic!"
Another wizard: "Calm down Gary. Had one Butterbeer too many, uh?"
Gary: "No. Look, they're practicing Transfiguration on animals: [displays_platypus]"

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Still though, mistaking 'venomous' for 'poisonous'? Tsk. Though that can be very funny: in the last book some Ministry clerks complain about their colleagues from the department of Experimental Charms, saying, "... they're so careless, remember that poisonous duck?

Dumbass idiots caught a platypus and couldn't even tell the difference.

Would be hilarious if wizards had, for some reason, never seen some improbable animals.

Some wizard, rushing into the Ministry Of Magic's atrium: "Muggles learned how to do magic!"
Another wizard: "Calm down Gary. Had one Butterbeer too many, uh?"
Gary: "No. Look, they're practicing Transfiguration on animals: [displays_platypus]"

Pretty likely actually.

 

[Gahbreeil]

All the potatoes probably phobic about not being able to play a migrant to 19th century UK.

 

[deuxhero]

deuxhero

People can truly believe that the real-life government is all-powerful.

"Government keeps its census/tax data, likely on a computer, and can track down a birth certificate for a domestic birth" is a great deal less than "all powerful".

 

[Tyranicon]

I have to say gentlemen, I am looking forward to the release of this game with great enthusiasm, despite having no interest in HP. If you haven't been on the steam discussions page or... certain portions of reddit, I highly recommend it. Great way to pass the time.

 

[Ghulgothas]

Spoiler

 

[kris]

That makes no sense

What part of "magic spell" did you not understand?

The "on [her parents]" part. There's a big power difference between "make two people next to you think something" and "make years of financial records, government records (many of which are already electronic at this point, explicitly a format that wizard have issue with), hundreds of physical artifacts, and people a great distance away think something". If a wizard can do all that casually, there's huge setting implications.

Spells in Harry Potter make no sense and are made up for convenience to further plot. And also forgotten by everyone when you need obstacles for protagonist.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

That makes no sense

What part of "magic spell" did you not understand?

The "on [her parents]" part. There's a big power difference between "make two people next to you think something" and "make years of financial records, government records (many of which are already electronic at this point, explicitly a format that wizard have issue with), hundreds of physical artifacts, and people a great distance away think something". If a wizard can do all that casually, there's huge setting implications.

Spells in Harry Potter make no sense and are made up for convenience to further plot. And also forgotten by everyone when you need obstacles for protagonist.

Chad tier writing tbh, only losers who obsess over crap nobody cares about waste time thinking about consistency.

 

[Tyranicon]

That makes no sense

What part of "magic spell" did you not understand?

The "on [her parents]" part. There's a big power difference between "make two people next to you think something" and "make years of financial records, government records (many of which are already electronic at this point, explicitly a format that wizard have issue with), hundreds of physical artifacts, and people a great distance away think something". If a wizard can do all that casually, there's huge setting implications.

Spells in Harry Potter make no sense and are made up for convenience to further plot. And also forgotten by everyone when you need obstacles for protagonist.

Chad tier writing tbh, only losers who obsess over crap nobody cares about waste time thinking about consistency.

There definitely are works of literature that pulls this off, by sheer quality or gigantic balls from the author.

Whether this is true for Rowling is... a matter of taste.

But then again I'm the dumbfuck here comparing a kid's book to literature.