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Hogwarts Legacy - Harry Potter open world action RPG prequel set in the late 1800s

gerey

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If it's entertaining nobody cares about consistency.
People will care if the plot hole is big enough to suspend disbelief and take them out of the story.

Rowling is especially bad in this aspect because she routinely forgets (deliberately or simply because she's a woman) stuff she introduced previously that could clearly be used to solve whatever issue the characters are facing at the moment.

Also, Alfred pumps the batmobile tires. Who would even ask this?
Plenty of Batman comics show Bruce working on the Batmobile.
 

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gerey

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Obviously they didn't. Again, these are books for children, it's not the author's fault if adult-children mistakenly believed they were the target audience.
The first few books were for children, but Rowling obviously tried to keep pace with her aging fanbase, so your statement is not entirely true.

I mean, the woman introduces the concept of time travel so the female nerd can attend all her classes.

Did anyone perhaps consider using time travel for something less plebeian like, say, going back in time to kill the evil wizard when he was an infant?

And yes, I'm aware about causality and all the other issues that crop up with trying to use time travel to prevent past events, but so should have Rowling and every other smoothbrain author that decides it's a good idea to confirm the viability of time travel in the setting.
 
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Obviously they didn't. Again, these are books for children, it's not the author's fault if adult-children mistakenly believed they were the target audience.
The first few books were for children, but Rowling obviously tried to keep pace with her aging fanbase, so your statement is not entirely true.
All of the books released in the span of 10 years.
 

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They have dwarf sized gargantuas where you live.

A baby-sized Gargantua, perhaps? After all, he only needed "... dix et sept milles neuf cens treize vaches de Pautille et de Brehemond, pour l'alaicter ordinairement." That's not such a big baby after all.

Even a full-sized Gargantua isn't that big. Here's an engraving from my 18th century edition, titled "La harangue de Maître Janotus faite à Gargantua pour recouvrir les cloches."

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That's what, two and a half times as big as a regular human? Barely bigger than Hagrid in the books.
 
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Hermione Granger had Muggle parents. Same goes for Lily Evans. How the ability to do magic is obtained was never really explained.
Wizards can easily erase the memories of non-wizards with the wave of a wand, repair clothing and remove body fluids.

You do the math.

J.K. Rowling answered that in an FAQ. Magic in the Potterverse is due to genes (though wizards don't know what genes are). Muggle Borns are descendants of squibs who were exiled to Muggle society, with the latent magical gene resurfacing every couple of decades or centuries.
 
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People will care if the plot hole is big enough to suspend disbelief and take them out of the story.
In my experience nobody stops to consider plot holes unless they're not being entertained. Then they ask themselves "What about this isn't working for me?", they start to notice the cracks, and they assume that's what caused them to not be entertained in the first place.
 

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In my experience nobody stops to consider plot holes
I do. It immediately calls the whole thing into question. In particular, it robs the story of any sense of tension and anticipation, if the author can just snap things out of thin air.
 

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In my experience nobody stops to consider plot holes
I do. It immediately calls the whole thing into question. In particular, it robs the story of any sense of tension and anticipation, if the author can just snap things out of thin air.
I'm with you on that, but only in art that presents itself as serious. Potter is shit-tier and shouldn't be taken so seriously.
 

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In my experience nobody stops to consider plot holes unless they're not being entertained. Then they ask themselves "What about this isn't working for me?", they start to notice the cracks, and they assume that's what caused them to not be entertained in the first place.
That's quite untrue. Do you not notice when a story is written particularly well, when everything just fits into everything else, and the setting remains consistent in its logic? It's a joy to read such a story.
 

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Chapter 17: Aretino writes his Soneti Iussuriosi.
Chapter 18: Having done so, he loses the favors of Clement VII.
Chapter 19: "... and Aretino, whose favor with the pope never faltered in the least, ..."
Sounds right. Didn't falter the least, it faltered in the most.
 

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In my experience nobody stops to consider plot holes unless they're not being entertained. Then they ask themselves "What about this isn't working for me?", they start to notice the cracks, and they assume that's what caused them to not be entertained in the first place.
That's quite untrue. Do you not notice when a story is written particularly well, when everything just fits into everything else, and the setting remains consistent in its logic? It's a joy to read such a story.
After the fact perhaps. If the story is gripping and exciting and entertaining as you read it, there's no time to stop and consider the craft or the logic because you're too busy enjoying it.
 
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After the fact perhaps. If the story is gripping and exciting and entertaining as you read it, there's no time to stop and consider the craft or the logic because you're too busy enjoying it.
But then after you're done reading you turn the story over in your mind and the flaws become apparent.
 

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This is all really basic suspension of disbelief. The answer is simple: the dumber your audience, the less the author needs to actively care about this principle.
I'd say that the more people like the story (or the setting), the more forgiving they are to it. I know intelligent people who like Harry Potter universe as an idea. They don't care about the plot holes. With the setting being so unrealistic already, it makes the suspension of disbelief even easier, which is also an important factor.

The "relative" part was a joke. Seven average (both by size and quality) books in 10 years is NOT "gargantuan" by any stretch of imagination. It is something to be expected and very many authors writing popular literature do that and more.
The books were getting bigger and bigger with each book though.
 

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In my experience nobody stops to consider plot holes unless they're not being entertained. Then they ask themselves "What about this isn't working for me?", they start to notice the cracks, and they assume that's what caused them to not be entertained in the first place.
That's quite untrue. Do you not notice when a story is written particularly well, when everything just fits into everything else, and the setting remains consistent in its logic? It's a joy to read such a story.
After the fact perhaps. If the story is gripping and exciting and entertaining as you read it, there's no time to stop and consider the craft or the logic because you're too busy enjoying it.
Except I might have to make food or go to work and put down the book, at which point my brain my start thinking and notice things.
I also think it's fun to read a book "actively" and try to figure out how the world works, what's going to happen next based on characters motivations, etc, etc rather than just passively and I find that good books often reward paying attention.

No story is without flaws and authorial fiat, humans don't have the cognitive capacity to actually describe and simulate a world at that level of detail, but there's a difference between "batman notices the enemy is weak to water and pulls a super soaker from his utility belt" and "batman notices the enemy is weak to water and finds a way to trigger the sprinkler system".
 
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Comparing Harry Potter to other childen's books (e.g. A Wizard of Earthsea, which also revolves around a boy wizard coming of age) doesn't do it any favors either. Rowling is simply a poor writer, whether for adults or children.
I did read some of the Harry Potter books. I remember at the time I started because this girl I dated for some time was REALLY into them and pressed me for giving them a chance (this was more or less at the time the third book was coming out and she was already in her 20s, for context, so not some "childhood fondness").
I didn't particularly like them, but I can't say I found them offensively bad either (which happened with some other low-tier fantasy cycles I approached randomly over the years). Especially at the start they DID feel very much children books in every sense of the word.

That said, I would have no particular beef with the woman's reputation or success, if it didn't come tied with some reality-bending revisionism from the press; for example a lot of critics writing delusional bullshit like "Finally the UK has a new creative fantasy author after decades of nothing" or "the most imaginative saga in years" etc, etc.
Motherfuckers, you are the same nation that could boast Terry Pratchett among their active fantasy authors.

P.S. on a side tangent, "it's a children book" shouldn't really be a free pass for sloppy writing.
For all intents and purposes The Hobbit was also conceive as a children book and it's delightfully well written from top to bottom.
 
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