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How Is Larian's BG3 Treating the Lore? And Returning Characters? BG3 Spoiler Herein.

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John Baldursgate Abdel Adrian, the Chaotic Neutral Human Fighter from the novelization, is the canon Gorion's Ward. Novels are the canon version of what happened in BG 1 and BG 2...
For clarification... the game, which is called Baldur's Gate 3 does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, but instead goes with the events of the shitty Baldur's Gate novel.
Am I getting this right?
 

Longes

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John Baldursgate Abdel Adrian, the Chaotic Neutral Human Fighter from the novelization, is the canon Gorion's Ward. Novels are the canon version of what happened in BG 1 and BG 2...
For clarification... the game, which is called Baldur's Gate 3 does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, but instead goes with the events of the shitty Baldur's Gate novel.
Am I getting this right?
The property owner, Wizards of the Coast, does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and considers the events of the Baldur's Gate novel to be the official version of what happened in that period of time to those people.
 

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John Baldursgate Abdel Adrian, the Chaotic Neutral Human Fighter from the novelization, is the canon Gorion's Ward. Novels are the canon version of what happened in BG 1 and BG 2...
For clarification... the game, which is called Baldur's Gate 3 does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, but instead goes with the events of the shitty Baldur's Gate novel.
Am I getting this right?
The property owner, Wizards of the Coast, does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and considers the events of the Baldur's Gate novel to be the official version of what happened in that period of time to those people.
Ok, thanks for clarification, mate. That triggers me more than any bear sex ever could.
 

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Sarevok got the worst treatment, it's like they made whole ToB non canon



Why the hell did they turn him into a negro and make his armor look like a bad Halloween costume? His helmet looks miniature, like a joke.
 
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John Baldursgate Abdel Adrian, the Chaotic Neutral Human Fighter from the novelization, is the canon Gorion's Ward. Novels are the canon version of what happened in BG 1 and BG 2...
For clarification... the game, which is called Baldur's Gate 3 does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, but instead goes with the events of the shitty Baldur's Gate novel.
Am I getting this right?
The property owner, Wizards of the Coast, does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and considers the events of the Baldur's Gate novel to be the official version of what happened in that period of time to those people.
Which, by the way, leads to this fucking guy trying to assassinate Adrian, by that point one of the most powerful people in the Realms.
The real question is: Does Wizards of the Coast respect the lore of their own setting? The answer is no.
 

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John Baldursgate Abdel Adrian, the Chaotic Neutral Human Fighter from the novelization, is the canon Gorion's Ward. Novels are the canon version of what happened in BG 1 and BG 2...
For clarification... the game, which is called Baldur's Gate 3 does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, but instead goes with the events of the shitty Baldur's Gate novel.
Am I getting this right?
The property owner, Wizards of the Coast, does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and considers the events of the Baldur's Gate novel to be the official version of what happened in that period of time to those people.
Which, by the way, leads to this fucking guy trying to assassinate Adrian, by that point one of the most powerful people in the Realms.
The real question is: Does Wizards of the Coast respect the lore of their own setting? The answer is no.
show me his charsheet or don't bother me
stupid fuckers getting heated over fluff
 

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John Baldursgate Abdel Adrian, the Chaotic Neutral Human Fighter from the novelization, is the canon Gorion's Ward. Novels are the canon version of what happened in BG 1 and BG 2...
For clarification... the game, which is called Baldur's Gate 3 does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, but instead goes with the events of the shitty Baldur's Gate novel.
Am I getting this right?
The property owner, Wizards of the Coast, does not acknowledge the existence of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and considers the events of the Baldur's Gate novel to be the official version of what happened in that period of time to those people.
Which, by the way, leads to this fucking guy trying to assassinate Adrian, by that point one of the most powerful people in the Realms.
The real question is: Does Wizards of the Coast respect the lore of their own setting? The answer is no.
show me his charsheet or don't bother me
stupid fuckers getting heated over fluff
Aren't you supposed to be toiling in the EU Bureaucracy mines, Polish Dog?
 

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Sarevok got the worst treatment, it's like they made whole ToB non canon


They made Sarevok a jogger?

Always has been.

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I wonder why they let you loot his helmet, but not his armor. Ketheric at least dropped the chest armor piece.

Anyway, has someone found out how exactly is Dark Urge a Bhaalspawn? Is there a clear and concise timeline?
 

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I wonder why they let you loot his helmet, but not his armor. Ketheric at least dropped the chest armor piece.

Anyway, has someone found out how exactly is Dark Urge a Bhaalspawn? Is there a clear and concise timeline?
Of course not. Unless Bhaal started fucking around again right after his rebirth. Which would make the youngest of his Spawn around 9.
 

Longes

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I wonder why they let you loot his helmet, but not his armor. Ketheric at least dropped the chest armor piece.

Anyway, has someone found out how exactly is Dark Urge a Bhaalspawn? Is there a clear and concise timeline?
You can ask the buttler. The answer is - you are not really a Bhaalspawn. Bhaal made you out of a chunk of his gore whole cloth, which is why you have an irresistible urge unlike every other Bhaalspawn who just enjoys killing.
 

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I wonder why they let you loot his helmet, but not his armor. Ketheric at least dropped the chest armor piece.

Anyway, has someone found out how exactly is Dark Urge a Bhaalspawn? Is there a clear and concise timeline?
You can ask the buttler. The answer is - you are not really a Bhaalspawn. Bhaal made you out of a chunk of his gore whole cloth, which is why you have an irresistible urge unlike every other Bhaalspawn who just enjoys killing.
Huh, when exactly can you ask him this? I'm just about finished with Grymforge on my Dark Urge playthrough and will move on to Mountain Pass before heading along to Act 2.
 

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I wonder why they let you loot his helmet, but not his armor. Ketheric at least dropped the chest armor piece.

Anyway, has someone found out how exactly is Dark Urge a Bhaalspawn? Is there a clear and concise timeline?
You can ask the buttler. The answer is - you are not really a Bhaalspawn. Bhaal made you out of a chunk of his gore whole cloth, which is why you have an irresistible urge unlike every other Bhaalspawn who just enjoys killing.
Huh, when exactly can you ask him this? I'm just about finished with Grymforge on my Dark Urge playthrough and will move on to Mountain Pass before heading along to Act 2.
Oh. Waaaay in the end, in act 3, after you finish all Bhaal business and only if you went full Urge instead of resisting it.
 

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Sarevok got the worst treatment, it's like they made whole ToB non canon


John Baldursgate Abdel Adrian, the Chaotic Neutral Human Fighter from the novelization, is the canon Gorion's Ward. Novels are the canon version of what happened in BG 1 and BG 2, and AFAIK Abdel Adrian canonically does not redeem Sarevok (although he does resurrect him). He eventually becomes the Duke of Baldur's Gate, lives to ~150 years old, and dies by transforming into the Slayer and massacring a bunch of townsfolk before being put down by the adventuring party from Murder In Baldur's Gate.

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And if Larian had any brains, they would have IGNORED the novels completely.

The novels are shit.
 

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I was willing to give this game a spin in spite of the fact that the gameplay has very little to do with the original BG games, even in spite of the constant fucking and it being Crit Role tier cringe. What I can't take is that they're considering the shitty novels canon instead of the actual games. Fuck WotC, fuck Larian and fuck whoever wrote those shitty novels.

Tbh I can no longer muster up any anger or disappointment. It's just sad that even with my standards set completely low they still manage to go lower. I truly think it's impossible for these old franchises to be resurrected without being desecrated in some manner.
 

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There are very clearly two separate stories in this game that they were forced to mash together. The Chosen plot and the Illithid plot. They wanted to make the Illithid one but had to also make the Chosen one.
 

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As if I needed more reasons to avoid this game. I admire Larian for pissing off the corpos, but their work is muddled by WotC's demands. This is why I prefer that devs have complete creative freedom rather than be shackled to existing IPs. Every IP eventually gets mismanaged into crap. If you like lore, then it gets retconned and rewritten into something you don't like. If you like characters, then they get retconned and rewritten into something you don't like. I've seen this happen so many times that it's clockwork at this point. I'm sick of it.
 

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People clutch their pearls, pretending some sort of sacrilegious act has been committed against the most sacred of scriptures.

Baldur's Gate always had shit writing, it was a beta test for the actual good Infinity Engine game after all (IWD).
 

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At least Aerie didn't become crack whore
Don't give them ideas for the DLCs.

People clutch their pearls, pretending some sort of sacrilegious act has been committed against the most sacred of scriptures.

Baldur's Gate always had shit writing, it was a beta test for the actual good Infinity Engine game after all (IWD).
Yeah, whatever, BG didn't have particularly great writing, we can all agree. I think BG didn't need great writing and it was good for what it was. Still, that's not even the point. A so-called sequel not only doesn't recreate the style and charm of the original, it's painfully apparent that the people working on the game didn't even understand what that style is.
 

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At least Aerie didn't become crack whore
Don't give them ideas for the DLCs.

People clutch their pearls, pretending some sort of sacrilegious act has been committed against the most sacred of scriptures.

Baldur's Gate always had shit writing, it was a beta test for the actual good Infinity Engine game after all (IWD).
Yeah, whatever, BG didn't have particularly great writing, we can all agree. I think BG didn't need great writing and it was good for what it was. Still, that's not even the point. A so-called sequel not only doesn't recreate the style and charm of the original, it's painfully apparent that the people working on the game didn't even understand what that style is.
Thank you for clarifying your arguments, I understand now.
 

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