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HUMANKIND - Amplitude's historical turn-based strategy

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I gotta say: That all sounded pretty awesome.

I am certainly gonna try the game at least, especially given that I am a fan of the other games of the developer. Endless Legend and Endless Space 2 are my go-to 4X games these days.
 

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They actually made a proper mad system compared to generic first strike rules in other 4x games.


They want to make the late game as fun as the beginning. So, it sucks too?

Is "Humankind" the woke word for "Mankind"?

Woker than "mankind" but not as woke as "Peoplekind". I made that joke many pages ago where have you been?
 

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I gotta say: That all sounded pretty awesome.

I am certainly gonna try the game at least, especially given that I am a fan of the other games of the developer. Endless Legend and Endless Space 2 are my go-to 4X games these days.


Same here unfortunately this looks greatly dumbed down from either of those. Endless Legend is closer to SMAC where this seems more like Civ 6. Without Sogno di Volare
 
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which is an extremely cheap way of reaping easy internet points. it's made with the checklist of the pompous song in one hand, and his own dick in the other. is comparable to music by allevi, a worldwide sensation but whoever has even a hint of a very basic knowledge of music knows he's a hack with no skill. almost as bad as soule.
 

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Is "Humankind" the woke word for "Mankind"?

Woker than "mankind" but not as woke as "Peoplekind". I made that joke many pages ago where have you been?

I clicked 'ignore' on Steam after seeing the picture and forgot about the game, until I saw this thread.

As for "Peoplekind", I remember Justin Trudeau using it sometime. And everyone made fun of him.
 

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Is "Humankind" the woke word for "Mankind"?

Woker than "mankind" but not as woke as "Peoplekind". I made that joke many pages ago where have you been?

I clicked 'ignore' on Steam after seeing the picture and forgot about the game, until I saw this thread.

As for "Peoplekind", I remember Justin Trudeau using it sometime. And everyone made fun of him.

That's the point. He's so over the top woke even normies caught on to him.
 

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I gotta say: That all sounded pretty awesome.

I am certainly gonna try the game at least, especially given that I am a fan of the other games of the developer. Endless Legend and Endless Space 2 are my go-to 4X games these days.

I like what they did with artillery range, although I still have to see how good is it compared to unit mobility, and with making M.A.D. a thing by having nukes hit targets a turn after launch.

Also I checked the combat and it seems it is like Endless Legend only there is no simultaneous turn execution where units can be blocked, or what was it that they did there, but rather proper TURNs also with unit abilities you can activate. This has a decent shot of being better than CiV at least in the combat department.

It still looks tainted by current year obviously, but I figure modders can fix the culture pick mystery meat mixer gimmick. Call me catiously optimistic that this might turn out good, at least compared to nuFiraxis' POS.
 

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i'm a homo herectus, then i develop into egyptian and... drum roll... now i'm japanese!

this game is retarded.

What the hell, how do you feel connected to your civ if it just changes around like that? Can't believe what I'm reading, must be one of the dumbest mechanics I have ever heard about.
 

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i'm a homo herectus, then i develop into egyptian and... drum roll... now i'm japanese!

this game is retarded.

What the hell, how do you feel connected to your civ if it just changes around like that? Can't believe what I'm reading, must be one of the dumbest mechanics I have ever heard about.

Worse than that, it's CULTURAL APPROPRIATION :mob:

It's like Star Wars Squadrons where you're the New Republic one mission and the Empire the next. Dumbest shit ever.
 

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All this butthurt about "much diversity" is totally retarted

It's a game about Civilizations, so there will be all kind of races.

Also, you are not forced to swap culture, but you can stay with the same throughout the whole game


Sometimes codex is just a echo chamber of edgy-bots repeating the same stuff like parrots, regardless of arguments.

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i'm a homo herectus, then i develop into egyptian and... drum roll... now i'm japanese!

this game is retarded.

What the hell, how do you feel connected to your civ if it just changes around like that? Can't believe what I'm reading, must be one of the dumbest mechanics I have ever heard about.
It is jarring at first but the idea behind it isn't a transformation of Egyptians into Japanese but a cultural transformation (think westernization of Japan). They should have ditched the cultures after you pick you own and let you pick new cultural values (or keep the existing ones) at the beginning of a new age (not every few turns as someone claimed).
 

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Find it weird as hell. How do you even form long lasting feuds that matters when you fight different cultures each war. WE SHALL PUNISH THE INSOLENT JAPANESE... ehm, no I mean Greek, no, Nordics, ah god dammit, they are Egyptians now.
 

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Don't get fixated on the ill-conceived labels. Cultures changing and evolving throughout history, sometimes rapidly, is hardly a novelty concept.
 

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All this butthurt about "much diversity" is totally retarted

It's a game about Civilizations, so there will be all kind of races.

Also, you are not forced to swap culture, but you can stay with the same throughout the whole game


Sometimes codex is just a echo chamber of edgy-bots repeating the same stuff like parrots, regardless of arguments.

As much as I hate SJWs, you are not much different

Who is butthurt about diversity or races? Are you retarded?

We're talking about a nonsensical game mechanic where you change sides/teams every few turns.

In a game where you build a civilization that lasts through the ages. A game where you're supposed to care about what you build.
 

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You're given an option to change your civilization cultural focus (as you pick the bonuses your civilization will need not the label) when you enter the next age, not every few turns. You don't have to pick a new one, if you don't want to.
 

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You're given an option to change your civilization cultural focus (as you pick the bonuses your civilization will need not the label) when you enter the next age, not every few turns. You don't have to pick a new one, if you don't want to.
You enter a new age every few turns. Distinction without a difference.
 

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You're given an option to change your civilization cultural focus (as you pick the bonuses your civilization will need not the label) when you enter the next age, not every few turns. You don't have to pick a new one, if you don't want to.
You enter a new age every few turns. Distinction without a difference.
There are 6 ages you can reach: ancient, classical, medieval, industrial, etc. According to you the game is over in 20-30 turns.
 

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You have an odd definition of few then. Anyway, it takes about 200 turns to reach the end of the industrial age. Do your own math.
 

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https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/humankind-review/

HUMANKIND REVIEW
A solid 4X that could use a bit more personality.

There's something weirdly mythical about the historical 4X and the dominance of a single series, Civilization, for 30 years. But Amplitude Studios has spent a decade preparing to rewrite that myth. Humankind is the result: a massive, history-spanning behemoth that's kept me on its hooks until sunrise a few times. But in trying to make its own Civilization, Amplitude may have sacrificed too much of what made its earlier games, Endless Legend in particular, such compelling weirdos.

This is not to say that Humankind doesn't have any bold ideas. It's clear that isn't the case as soon as you hop into a campaign. Normally you'd need to pick a civ, faction or race of nerdy dragons first, and then plonk down a city, but not here. Before picking a site for your first settlement, or even picking a culture, you must first explore the world as a nomadic, Neolithic tribe. During this phase you saunter around gathering food and other resources from nodes scattered all over the world, with breaks where you get to fight animals. Picking berries and beating up mammoths—a perfect Neolithic family day out.

I'm sure this all sounds quite relaxing—that's a trap. It's really a sprint, a particularly brutal one on the highest difficulty, where you're competing to get first dibs on the list of playable cultures and stake your claim on the most bountiful regions. Found a place with bronze and horses? Get an outpost on that as quickly as you can, and then get back to brawling with the wildlife.

Your little band of explorers will also grow, allowing you to break up the squad and send individual units or smaller groups far and wide. Of course, that puts them in danger, as other tribes might try to pick them off. Territory you've claimed in preparation for your transformation into a settled civilisation can also be ransacked and taken from you, so things can get a bit heated. It's good to make enemies early on and know where you stand.

It's simply the best 4X starting experience. By the time my Neolithic adventures earn me enough stars to move to the next era, I've usually pushed back the fog of war considerably, found several potential sites for my first city, and know where I can find dyes and other early-game resources. It's especially helpful when it's your first game, easing you into something that quickly balloons in complexity.
Stargazing
A bit like Civilization 6: Rise and Fall's Great Ages, Humankind only lets you move into a new era when you've hit enough milestones. Get seven stars for seven milestones and you'll be able to leap into the next era. Having these objectives is a fantastic motivator, and it's a good way to measure your progress against the competition. Unfortunately, the milestones are hardly inspiring. They're all arbitrary targets like 'research 60 techs' and 'defeat 20 military units', and the only thing that changes is the number. You'll be at turn 200 basically doing the same thing you were doing at turn 20. I think MMOs have broken me, though, because I do find the grind slightly reassuring.

While those stars are crucial, what you're really trying to get is the accompanying Fame payout—if you have the most when the game ends, victory is yours. So you might linger in an era you're free to leave, just so you can mop up a few more stars that you're close to getting. Watch out, though, because that Fame isn't going to save you if a more advanced empire decides to pick a fight. More Fame can be earned by erecting wonders, too, or by completing competitive deeds, like discovering natural wonders or landing on a new continent.

When it's time to hit the ancient era, it's only then that you get to pick your first culture. Each has a penchant for science, expansion, warfare and other specialities, giving you an active and passive ability shared by all the cultures with that affinity. You also get a unique building, unit and bonus, like Egypt's ability to generate more industrial power. The bonuses are usually big, game-changing numbers, and there's a significant difference if you pick, say, the industrious Egyptians over the expansionist Assyrians. These differences will determine, or at least inspire, your strategy, but mechanically they are a lot less distinct than any of the factions Amplitude has created previously. No numerical bonuses can really compare to the unique traits of Endless Legend's Necrophage, a ravenous insectoid swarm that can't make friends and just wants to eat everything, or Endless Space 2's Horatio, a faction filled with clones of the most narcissistic person in the galaxy.

Humankind's big trick is that you're not stuck with your chosen culture. At the start of every new era—there are six in total—you can optionally adopt a new era-appropriate culture while keeping the bonuses from your previous ones. Individually, the faction design seems conservative, but when you start mixing them up things start to get a lot more exciting. There are a million possible combinations, encouraging a lot of number crunching, theorycrafting and experimentation. You've also got lots of religious tenets, available to pick whenever your religion ranks up, and culture-wide civics decisions, both of which pile on even more bonuses. Overpowered builds are inevitable with this many combos, and I much prefer it to perfect balance.

Watching my favourite numbers skyrocket brought me a lot of joy, but I can't say I got attached to any of my hybrid cultures. There's nothing to really get attached to—only the odd unique building or unit. And the individual cultures never stick around for very long, leaving behind only a bonus and the occasional relic—a pyramid here, an amphitheatre there—as their legacy. The AI leaders have personality traits, but I would never have been able to tell if the game didn't explicitly show me in the diplomacy screen. And it's much harder to nurture grudges when the civilisations keep changing.

Amplitude is so experienced in the art of weaving narrative twists into strategy games that its absence is Humankind's greatest surprise. I wouldn't expect something like Endless Legend's more scripted stories in a historical 4X, but Humankind doesn't really generate much emergent stuff either. There's this whole theme of multiculturalism that lies at the centre of Humankind that largely goes unexplored, beyond the obvious mechanical benefits. Even compared to Civilization, which has been known to let its hair down with things like rock band missionaries, it's utilitarian. You'll occasionally encounter some random events, but they're a half-hearted bunch and disconnected from the rest of the game.

It's telling that instead of your population's happiness or contentment being reflected, cities instead have a cold, mechanical stability metre. This, however, I'm OK with. I'm done with trying to keep people happy. All I want to do is build absolutely humongous cities, and Humankind is more than happy to be of service. These things consume everything and spread all over continents like a living factory, gobbling up all the resources and turning them into cash and guns. Feeding time is all the time.

By linking a region you've already claimed to an existing city, that city can then start expanding into the new region and harvesting its resources. Cities can even swallow up other cities, giving birth to a mega-city instantly. These big moves are pricey and destabilising, but with the economy's tendency to snowball, you can rack up a huge surplus pretty easily, and stability issues can be fixed by plonking down the appropriate district. There just isn't much—aside from your opponents—halting your expansion. When obstacles do appear, the solution is rarely to rein it in; you can always keep going.

In search of war
I like the constant, consistent progression, and nobody likes being told they can't assimilate an empire today, but with more stringent limitations there'd also be more friction, more tension, and a more interesting strategy game. Thankfully, you can get to that game if you fiddle around with the settings a bit. See, the default settings will give you a game where nobody declares war, where you'll outpace everyone by multiple eras, and where you'll spend at least 100 turns just waiting around for something to happen. It put me right off. Just bumping it up a few notches to Empire difficulty (there are two more beyond that) makes a world of difference, especially if you shrink the map down to make the fight over territory a lot nastier.

When I turned the difficulty up the first time, the Neolithic tribes were going at it even before they'd invented the concept of war, and by the second era everyone was getting stuck into some much more serious scuffles. The need for troops massively slowed down the development of my cities and my economy, and while cheesy builds can still throw it all into (welcome) disarray, the AI can at least give you a proper fight when you let it off the leash. I'm actually losing a war terribly in my current campaign. It's great!

There's just one problem: I don't really like fighting. The threat of combat is a necessary evil to shake up a game that can be a little dull without it. Fights play out in a tactical map within the campaign map, with each unit in your squad getting a chance to bloody the enemy's nose. It's a lot like Endless Legend's combat system, but not as good. Units can move, use one basic attack and die—that's their three skills. Terrain is the main enemy, and with more elaborate topography than Endless Legend, there's less room to work with. It's more fiddly than tactical, and I'm still confused about how I'm meant to lay siege to small islands when, as the game kept reminding me, "you can't besiege a city with an army at sea". Thanks.

If units had more utility, it would be greatly improved, and things do pick up a bit once you start getting close to the end of the tech tree, but I always hit that auto-resolve button the instant I see I have even a slight advantage. At least it's an option. And with the actual fights out of the way, there's a lot to war worth recommending—it really spices up a relationship that's on the rocks.

Even with more enthusiastic opponents, the momentum falters in the endgame as Humankind runs out of new tricks. It gets familiar late additions like the space race, nukes and pollution, but all of them are disappointingly perfunctory. I sped to the end of the very traditional tech tree in my first game, and acquiring all of humanity's knowledge only left me hollow. Perhaps there's a valuable lesson in there, but I'd rather have more neat things to do with fancy technology. There are only so many times the numbers can grow before you crave something a bit more substantial.

Old World serves as an interesting comparison. Like Humankind, Civ's influence is everywhere, but while that gave Old World a starting point, where it ended up was a lot more unusual. It found a new place to focus on—people—and all sorts of surprising crises and obstacles as a result, like being murdered by your nephew. While Humankind has reconsidered and reconfigured Civ's features, it's been more reserved. Being able to adopt new cultures and nurture continent-sized cities is certainly novel, but it isn't transformative. It could probably do with being 20% weirder, I reckon. I've done the maths. And I've had lots of practice, given Humankind's aforementioned love of big numbers.

The End Turn button still beckons, however, and Memphis needs more oil for its battleships. I also need to try out a lethal militant build I've been considering, in the hopes of quickly throwing the world into an apocalyptic war. Humankind has still spawned some great ideas that I'm not done with, and can't wait to see imitated and iterated. But now that Amplitude has made its Civilization, I really hope it goes back to making Alpha Centauris.

THE VERDICT
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HUMANKIND
A smart historical 4X that doesn't quite match the inventiveness of the studio's best.
 
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this pretty much closes the case about the quality of the product:
"Uses Denuvo. Proof on the store page."
 

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