Incline Icewind Dale in TToEE Engine Total Conversion - Prologue Demo Released

[Dorateen]

Two of the best computer role-playing games from the early 21st century. Good job.

 

[Sitra Achara]

Getting a crash trying to leave the first tavern when I use Temple+. Works fine if I don't use T+

Allyx

Crash is apparently due to a corrupt door object at sector 469762054

Edit:

Also saw bad doors here

 

[Allyx]

Thanks Sitra Achara I have now fixed those doors and I'm uploading Patch 2 now, which also fixes the Orc Shaman AI to how I had intended it. Patch 2 is available from this thread.

 

[ᚱᚨᚷᛖᚠᚢᛈ]

tldr

How do maps work in ToEE? Is it like several/one texture on a flat surface with a mask for passable terrain?

 

[Mustawd]

Allyx, how long do you think it'll take to finish the rest of the game?

And congrats on doing a great job on this. Hopefully, it'll spark people's imaginations to create other mods in ToEE.

 

[Sitra Achara]

tldr

How do maps work in ToEE? Is it like several/one texture on a flat surface with a mask for passable terrain?

Pretty much.

 

[Allyx]

Allyx, how long do you think it'll take to finish the rest of the game?

This Project, from inception to the completion of the Prologue chapter has so far taken about 6 months, the remaining 6 chapters could take a couple of years... maybe less now that all the ground work is done.

And congrats on doing a great job on this. Hopefully, it'll spark people's imaginations to create other mods in ToEE.

Thanks, I too hope others will see the ToEE engine as a thing of beauty and make new games for it.

 

[BlackGoat]

the remaining 6 chapters could take a couple of years... maybe less now that all the ground work is done.

 

[Allyx]

What, no screenshots from Kuldahar Pass yet?

I mean I've seen it already, and what lies beyond (even though that part isn't finished yet), but I'm sure others are curious

 

[Mustawd]

I had a late night of work. Booting everything up now. Also, for all you poor folks out there, for ~$12 you can get both ToEE and IWD:EE.

IWD:EE (only used to verify you own IWD): https://www.bundlestars.com/en/game/icewind-dale-enhanced-edition

ToEE: https://af.gog.com/game/the_temple_of_elemental_evil?as=1649904300

 

[GarfunkeL]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat and nobody told me?! Downloading!

 

[Mustawd]

Allyx , I am computer illiterate. Can you please walk me thorugh what this step means?

5. Extract the Icewind Dale modpack zipped file to your ToEE installation folder.

Where exactly in the ToEE folder should I put it?

EDIT: also, do I just extract all files in said folder? Or will extracting to its own folder first and then moving it be sufficient? Sorry, but I'm an idiot and sometimes you need to make this idiot proof for us proles.

 

[Sitra Achara]

Thanks Sitra Achara I have now fixed those doors and I'm uploading Patch 2 now, which also fixes the Orc Shaman AI to how I had intended it. Patch 2 is available from this thread.

That seems to do the trick.

IIRC for full compatibility I still have to override a few co8-altered spell files.

Also if anyone plays this with Temple+ and wants to see the load screen intro, you should set skipIntro=false in the TemplePlus.ini file.

 

[Mustawd]

So this works with ToEe+, Sitra?

 

[GarfunkeL]

Okay I tried this without Temple+

The new game intro videos from both ToEE and IWD play, which is great. I'm not sure if the shop map is necessary since we have a perfectly capable shop in the town but sure, it's not like it hurts. But man, ToEE inventory system and gear management sucks.

Gossip portraits and texts sometimes show through fog of war - the kids and the fisherman were what I witnessed. Lady of the lake & fisherman work well. The door icons can sometimes be hidden, either by the map or they don't get drawn. The goblin elite almost killed my sorcerer and rogue, yikes. Nice reactivity to initiating dialogue with townspeople when non-human. I don't remember if that was in IWD, it's been so long.

If I select full attack but then cannot attack due to not having movement left, the character gets stuck and the game constantly complains "Already moved". Pressing space to end turn fixes the "stuck" issue and changing map fixes the repeating text issue. When I select Coup de Grace to attack a sleeping goblin but I'm not next to it, the game displays "Invalid Target" instead of "Too Far" or something like that.

 

[Grunker]

One of ToEE's major problems is content. One of IWD's only problems is lackluster character customization. The idea of this mod is brilliant. I really hope you finish it Allyx. I'll test out the demo when I have time, things are busy at work atm

 

[Allyx]

Allyx
Where exactly in the ToEE folder should I put it?

EDIT: also, do I just extract all files in said folder? Or will extracting to its own folder first and then moving it be sufficient? Sorry, but I'm an idiot and sometimes you need to make this idiot proof for us proles.

Once downloaded, right click the .zip file, select 'extract to...' And point it to your 'Temple of Elemental Evil' folder (the one with Toee.exe in it), do the same with the patch file. The two files won't overwrite each other. Then use TFE-X.exe to activate the Icewind Dale module, and then the Patch 2 Add-On, The portrait pack included is optional, but can also be activated at this point if desired. Then launch (either with TFE-X or Temple+ of you are using it.

I have thus far been building the module without Temple + (even though it is brilliant) to insure that people who cannot run Temple + (due to hardware or Operating System constraints) can still use the Icewind Dale module (Older graphics cards or Linux OS are unable to run the latest versions of Temple +).

 

[Lonely Vazdru]

I have thus far been building the module without Temple + (even though it is brilliant) to insure that people who cannot run Temple + (due to hardware or Operating System constraints) can still use the Icewind Dale module (Older graphics cards or Linux OS are unable to run the latest versions of Temple +).

You sir, are a gentleman.

 

[Grunker]

I have thus far been building the module without Temple + (even though it is brilliant) to insure that people who cannot run Temple + (due to hardware or Operating System constraints) can still use the Icewind Dale module (Older graphics cards or Linux OS are unable to run the latest versions of Temple +).

While I respect the inclination to do your part for those with bad hardware, is so much backwards compatibility really worth giving up engine fixes + prestige classes?

 

[Allyx]

When ToEE was released, it received bad reviews because it was buggy as hell. As such sales weren't great, publicity was non-existent, and IMO if it were not for the player made patches working miracles fixing the engine during the last 16 years, no-one would be playing ToEE at all.

So since ToEE currently has a very small player base, what would be the point of making a mod for it that then excludes people from playing it?

That said, Temple+ is a great thing, and while I can make a mod that Temple+ is compatible with, I can't make Temple+ usable by everyone who can run ToEE, that is Sitra Achara's project.

There has been some talk of us later making an Icewind Dale+ total conversion for ToEE, using this version I'm working on now and improving it with Temple+ and all the goodness that it can bring. Obviously finishing this project first would be the priority, but there is nothing to stop people using Temple+ with the IWD TC in the mean time.

 

[Mustawd]

Allyx , anything non ToEE modders can help with to speed up the process of this?

I don't have a ton of free time this month, but that'll change later on.

 

[Allyx]

Playtesting and bug reporting are both easy jobs for non-Modder's, You have the original IWD, so comparing differences between the two versions seems like a logical place to start.

Obviously there will be some differences between them as the engines themselves are different but where exact replication cannot be done, discussion about other ways to achieve a similar result will be welcome.

I think after I've had a bit of a break from modding (my girlfriend is a bit pissed at me for spending most of my Christmas holiday period on the computer getting this mod done), I'm going to concentrate on adding the remaining maps for the rest of the game to ToEE in the format ToEE will recognise so the sectoring (defining areas that can be traversed) can be started.

A dialogue converter program has been written already to make adding the text for NPC's quicker and easier, but the python code behind that will need to be written anew from scratch.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Pathfinding seems little wonky occasionally. Instead of walking in a straight path, the party moves diagonally to the side, then backtracks a little before finding its way to the right destination. Seems to happen near buildings.

 

[Sitra Achara]

I have thus far been building the module without Temple + (even though it is brilliant) to insure that people who cannot run Temple + (due to hardware or Operating System constraints) can still use the Icewind Dale module (Older graphics cards or Linux OS are unable to run the latest versions of Temple +).

While I respect the inclination to do your part for those with bad hardware, is so much backwards compatibility really worth giving up engine fixes + prestige classes?

Just to be clear, the mods aren't mutually exclusive or anything like that. Other than fixing issues that crop up like those corrupt doors and bringing a few spells up to speed they shohld be compatible.

 

[Grunker]

I thought they were incompatible - thanks