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Which is itself a quirky, but insightful look at celebrity culture from the perspective of people finding essentially archeological evidence of him and see how many looked on the man, concluding he was worshiped as a god.
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Fallout Is Fallout: New Vegas a worthy Fallout game?
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Which is itself a quirky, but insightful look at celebrity culture from the perspective of people finding essentially archeological evidence of him and see how many looked on the man, concluding he was worshiped as a god.
Da, komrad. Not really my type of game though. And it was some clunky shit,too.
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Since this is the designated New Vegas thread, I have a question for our Internet archivists. Was there ever a public record of the reason that pushed Obsidian to choose Gamebryo for New Vegas? I mean, it's unclear. Did Bethesda force them? Did they take this engine because they didn't have any other anyway? I'd love to read more about that.
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In a basic sense, yeah Bethesda wouldn't let them make it unless it was in the Gamebryo engine iirc.
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It's not just Gamebryo, FNV is p. much a Fallout 3 total conversion.
It's full of leftover FO3 stuff in the assets, like in the scripts you can call Big Guns skill which doesn't exist anymore, and some people managed to restore fallout 3 items.
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Year and a half, but all the same.
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What has been said already, pretty much.
Fallout 3 is Bethesda's Fallout. Not only would Obsidian need a lot of time to make a better engine, Bethesda just wouldn't let them outshine their precious garbage. It's the same reason why we will never see a proper, polished Fallout game released as long as Bethesda owns the IP. Obsidian could be working on a new Fallout game right now, and have all the time in the world to release it, but I'm guessing Bethesda would rather give them two years (if they even bother giving Obsidian another chance) and have them rush the game shortly before TES VI comes along and overshadows the game.
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I get it now! Thanks, everyone.
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But would you have preferred a Fallout on Dungeon Siege 3 engine instead? Because under the assumption that Obsidian would have chosen something else, that's the likely option.
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Tbh I would have preferred New Vegas to use FO2's engine or any engine that was actually good for a roleplaying game. NV's combat is so boring and the exploration sucks so much in virtue of the engine and the 3D element Bethesda got people used to.
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Yeah, that would have never happened.
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No shit.
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The only way feasible way 'AAA' incline can be achieved these days is via professional mods. If Obsidian had to start from scratch, chances are high it would have been shit as it would have twice as much $$$ invested into it and twice as much pressure to dumb it down. Instead take a highly flawed game with an OK RPG framework, remove much of the dumb, and then mod/TC the shit out of it until it's inclined. Then go out of your way to mod it on your own watch and dime because you weren't happy the suits wouldn't allow some ideas deemed too "hardcore".
that's not the official reason btw, but whatever the reason I guarantee NV wouldn't be the game winning this poll now if it weren't a mod-game.
the official reason is likely that it is resourceful. Few studios make sequels from scratch, instead opting to use much of the same assets and engine and optimize and build upon the previous game systems and engine. And for all the shit gamebryo gets it's really not that bad. Fallout 3's issues were not really gamebryo, they were the shitty design, especially writing and anything relating to character design and the main uestline.
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Sure. I see a lot of people complaining about Bethesda mechanics, but ... the original Fallout's mechanics weren't stellar either. Combat was meh. Ramp up gun skill, click on enemies. So what. Inventory sucked. And so forth. What mattered in Fallout was PC involvement - choice & consequence - and how different character builds could impact gameplay - and New Vegas, while not perfect, certainly delivered. How many different ways are there to meet Benny? So many different, real decisions. I want you to destroy the BOS bunker ... no, I won't, and the game continues anyway. I played through three times and told three totally different stories, and they were all fleshed out and sensible, and all had their own moment-to-moment nuances (it wasn't just Path A, Path B, Path C).
Obviously, the visual change is a big deal, and in a sense it can't "really" be Fallout without using those same three sprites for NPCs. So people complaining about that, I think that's valid. I just don't personally think the isometric perspective is a critical element in what makes Fallout great. If I described what's good about Fallout to someone who'd never heard of it, I wouldn't gush with stars in my eyes about the camera angle; I'd tell them about the story and how much you can impact it, with your character build and more importantly with your decisions.
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God I need to replay NV again. One of very few modern classics.
I remember when a friend (console noob) was playing skyrim, he had to sit there and listen to me trash it endlessly and call him a noob, and tell him repeatedly to play NV instead for a good modern RPG. Well, he played it and loved it, and we gushed over its design, characters, world design etc...and he even started calling Skyrim fans noobs himself. Some time later he played FO3 and I asked him what he thought...he said he thought it was better.
Needless to say I was like:
I remember when a friend (console noob) was playing skyrim, he had to sit there and listen to me trash it endlessly and call him a noob, and tell him repeatedly to play NV instead for a good modern RPG. Well, he played it and loved it, and we gushed over its design, characters, world design etc...and he even started calling Skyrim fans noobs himself. Some time later he played FO3 and I asked him what he thought...he said he thought it was better.
Needless to say I was like:
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They were better for the purpose, though.
OK, I'll bite. What purpose?
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An emulation of a tabletop game and rules.
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FOBOS2.
It's still better than FO3. And it has the original Vault Dweller on it somewhere.
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