Is there a game like Morrowind that doesn't suck?

[thesecret1]

I never finished Morrowind, but I've played it many times and had fun. I don't think it being too long is necessarily a fault - it just makes me come back again and again, knowing there's lots of unexplored content waiting for me there.

 

[curds]

Realistically, for a game that big in 2002 never gonna happen (Lord knows the quality of questing has only declined since).

I agree completely with you there. Still I do think that, honestly, a pretty large number of Morrowind's quests are rather dull fed-ex/kill X type missions and you can't really lay the blame on the player for not sifting through that large percentage of boring shit to find the interesting stuff.

 

[Fargus]

If you don't like original Morrowind quests, there is always Tribunal and Bloodmoon. The quests there are much more fun, with East Empire company questline from Bloodmoon being the most memorable. When i used to play unmodded Morrowind during my teen years i went straight to Solstheim as soon as it was realistically possible. I never forget how i was getting rekt by higher level monsters and had to hide during blizzards. Great atmospheric moments. Plenty of good side quests too involving retarded nord degenerats and their crude customs or santa claus drug lord etc.

 

[curds]

^ Yeah I vaguely remember some theatre quest from Tribunal where you took part in a stage play, had to remember your lines, etc. IIRC, it was actually kinda retarded in practice but at least the idea was interesting.

What Falksi said about packing a huge sandbox with fun quests being unrealistic is spot-on. Questing the expansions was prob better because they take place in smaller, more focused environments.

Spoiler

That's why Gothic 2 is better than Morrowind

 

[Fargus]

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That's why Gothic 2 is better than Morrowind

Eh, i love both games.

 

[Lemming42]

I think the stage play quest from Tribunal is literally the only quest in Morrowind I actually unreservedly like.

And yeah, you can't blame the player for doing ultra-linear fetch quests when that's what the game deliberately directs you towards (and also when that's about 90% of the content in the game). Even most of the small handful of memorable quests are just generic linear fetch/kill/escort quests with like a small twist at the end (boots of blinding speed, etc) or a lore tidbit.

It's particularly annoying though because the alleged tradeoff for the massive reduction in scope from Daggerfall to Morrowind is that "yeah there's less content, but it's all HANDMADE!!". Then all the handmade quests turn out to be literally as or less interesting than Daggerfall's endlessly-repeatable quests (in smaller and more boring dungeons to boot), the only benefit being that the questgiver might say something funny at some point.

 

[Harthwain]

Realistically, for a game that big in 2002 never gonna happen (Lord knows the quality of questing has only declined since).

I agree completely with you there. Still I do think that, honestly, a pretty large number of Morrowind's quests are rather dull fed-ex/kill X type missions and you can't really lay the blame on the player for not sifting through that large percentage of boring shit to find the interesting stuff.

This is something what The Witcher series did well (Wild Hunt in particular). CDPR managed to make quests interesting by giving them good exposition (writing and acting) as well as some twists to turn each quest into a story of its own, therefore preventing them from feeling like MMO-like quests. Sadly the gameplay itself was subpar by comparison (Wild Hunt in particular).

 

[LarryTyphoid]

Daggerfall feels more lively and soulful than Morrowind in general. In Daggerfall, you walk into a tavern and a little bard tune starts playing and you see a bunch of unique sprites like a bar maid holding a tray, an innkeeper wiping down a glass, naked women, etc. In Morrowind, you walk into a tavern and every NPC gives you the flouride stare and says "what is it outlander, I'm busy!" while you listen to the same motherfucking stringed instrument play the same motherfucking song you've been listening to for the entire motherfucking game.

 

[GaelicVigil]

Unlike Morrowind, I want a game with interesting quests, storyline and factions alongside a living breathing world. I like the freedom and the amount of customization that Morrowind offers but hate everything else in it, is there a game that provides that?

Your only option is Daggerfall Unity. And it looks pretty damn awesome when you have it modded.



At least until this comes out (someday):

 

[jdinatale]

Nehrim and Enderal are decent Total Conversion Mods.

If you were based, you'd recommend Arktwend or Myar Aranath.

 

[MerchantKing]

Unlike Morrowind, I want a game with interesting quests, storyline and factions alongside a living breathing world. I like the freedom and the amount of customization that Morrowind offers but hate everything else in it, is there a game that provides that?

Your only option is Daggerfall Unity. And it looks pretty damn awesome when you have it modded.



At least until this comes out (someday):

This is the one with the tranny dev right?

 

[Lord of Riva]

Daggerfall and Arena.

Just get Daggerfall, it's better than Morrowind in all aspects.

 

[GaelicVigil]

Unlike Morrowind, I want a game with interesting quests, storyline and factions alongside a living breathing world. I like the freedom and the amount of customization that Morrowind offers but hate everything else in it, is there a game that provides that?

Your only option is Daggerfall Unity. And it looks pretty damn awesome when you have it modded.



At least until this comes out (someday):

This is the one with the tranny dev right?

I don't know, haven't heard who exactly is working on the Wayward Realms team. Are you thinking of the tranny developer for Fable?

Maybe better question is, what game developers don't have tranny devs?

 

[MerchantKing]

Unlike Morrowind, I want a game with interesting quests, storyline and factions alongside a living breathing world. I like the freedom and the amount of customization that Morrowind offers but hate everything else in it, is there a game that provides that?

Your only option is Daggerfall Unity. And it looks pretty damn awesome when you have it modded.



At least until this comes out (someday):

This is the one with the tranny dev right?

I don't know, haven't heard who exactly is working on the Wayward Realms team. Are you thinking of the tranny developer for Fable?

Maybe better question is, what game developers don't have tranny devs?

The ones with only one guy who is not a tranny.

 

[Higher Animal]

A game like Morrowind would be Deus Ex. Morrowind is obviously broader and deus ex has more obviously strategical elements but they gave me the same vibe.

anvi is correct that the original EverQuest has a lot of what you claim you are looking for in a game, but I can’t imagine what extreme weird people still play it today.

If you want to play a game that started out as ambitious as Morrowind but went in an utterly narrow direction that includes none of what you ask for but has a similar feeling then shadow of the colossus is a good bet.

There are always indie games trying to be released that claim to be inspired from Morrowind or Daggerfall. Search for them and you’ll find them.

 

[anvi]

EverQuest doesn't really exist anymore. It was always run by retards and in the end they went broke and sold the entire company to a Russian money laundering front company. The modern game is really not EQ, it got changed into paying real money for everything and players trading their loot for real money etc. And the game itself is not even close to what it was. The players are teenagers who think they are hardcore for playing this old hardcore game they heard about. But they are too stupid to know that EQ never had a shop full of gear you could buy for real money. It's also full of people playing it professionally, as gold farmers, etc.

There are also a lot of emulators and some of them are really fun. But none of them are the original EverQuest, nothing is even close. P99 is the closest but it's still pretty far off. It should be long forgotten by now but it's still better than anything that came since.

 

[Skinwalker]

Have you tried Oblivion and Skyrim, they are pretty similar.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

I don't think Arena is worth playing when Daggerfall exists. Arena is an interesting game and most of its good stuff comes from things like that spell that makes dungeon walls vanish but Daggerfall is a much better rpg and a better TES game.

 

[Lemming42]

Daggerfall is definitely better but Arena is still fun. The dungeon design (main quest, not the terrible proc-gen'd artifact quest ones) is often really good and very varied, some of the best dungeons in the TES series.

There's just a really pleasing sense of progression to Arena, constant sense of adventure and rising stakes, and you really feel the power from every level up.

Plus it's got Jagar Tharn, the best character in any Elder Scrolls game ever. "I SHALL USE THE SAME DR-R-R-R-REAM BRIDGE THAT SHE USES, SENDING MY MINIONS ACROSS TIME! AND SPACE!!!"

 

[LarryTyphoid]

The dungeon design (main quest, not the terrible proc-gen'd artifact quest ones) is often really good and very varied, some of the best dungeons in the TES series.

The lack of worthwhile loot made Arena's dungeons wear out quickly for me. They have these massive, sprawling designs, but there's not really anything worth finding besides your main objective.