Incline Josh Sawyer appreciation station

[ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB]

Bring us back young Josh.

You mean the young Josh that thought it was good idea to get a bachelors degree in history, which is one of the most useless degrees on the planet?

I don't know. It's served me pretty well. What's your degree, ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB?

Yep. Many Starbucks baristas are great sources of historical knowledge.

I have a STEM degree.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

without historians, who will tell us that the greeks were all gay and every fictional character that existed prior to the 20th century was in fact a fertility goddess?

 

[ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB]

^
I know a guy that has a PhD in history. His knowledge of superfluous historical events is immense. He can also brew up some tasty coffee at the local cafe.

 

[Hace El Oso]

No society has ever been ruled by technicians.

 

[ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB]

No society has ever thrived where science, technology, engineering, and mathematics were shunned either.

 

[Kaivokz]

No society has ever thrived where science, technology, engineering, and mathematics were shunned either.

Depends what you mean by thrive; if you mean “are accomplished in technology, engineering and mathematics”, then of course you will need engeineers, mathematicians and other specialized labor… if you mean “made lots of babies and lasted a long time”, well… bad news—and if you try to define what a thriving society or human is, oops: now you’re engaging in philosophy.

The division of philosophy and history from maths and technology plays a large part in the downfall of societies; educated men should be generalists with a wide breadth of knowledge and a few areas of speciality—when you divorce physics from metaphysics & logic, you get modern gobblygook like brute facts and “theories” like the multiverse. You get glorified lab monkeys who think they are geniuses because they do “the science”, which, ironically, leads to the decline and irrelevancy of real science. As soon as you start denying core axioms of reason (like the principle of non-contradiction), it will trickle into all social spheres: from Stephen Hawking’s theory of everything to non-binary binaries to pedophile storybook hour.

 

[ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB]

No society has ever thrived where science, technology, engineering, and mathematics were shunned either.

Depends what you mean by thrive

The division of philosophy and history from maths and technology plays a large part in the downfall of societies

You get glorified lab monkeys who think they are geniuses because they do “the science”, which, ironically, leads to the decline and irrelevancy of real science.

This has to be the most asinine twaddle in defense of worthless poor fag history and philosophy bachelor degrees I have ever read.

Society needs STEM degrees or apprenticeships, not worthless degrees that don't put food on the table and also put people that study this trash deeply into debt.

You're also indirectly claiming that if simpletons don't get a worthless history or philosophy major, then STEM majors will never come into contact with history or philosophy. This is incredibly absurd, especially since many STEM majors also have a minor in liberal arts. Not to mention that everyone has also had history and philosophy to some degree in grade school.

Also, a worthless history major might make you feel all fuzzy inside, but it won't support you financially. With a PhD you can at least teach (good luck finding a job, I personally know a guy with a liberal arts PhD that is unemployed), but anything less is worthless. The least of history majors will have great luck like Josh Sawyer and be able to find a non-specialist job in some industry.

Finally, you can continue to claim that a bachelor degree in history isn't worthless, but the droves of unemployed liberal arts majors, that can only get a job at Starbucks or McDonalds, speaks a very clear language.

 

[mediocrepoet]

I'm a lot more sympathetic to the value of education in the humanities which isn't generally quantifiable in an economic sense, it's more of a cultural/societal health measure. All that being said, this meme is gold.

 

[Bester]

To learn physics well, you gotta go to the university for 5 years. To learn history, just open a history book, go lie on a sofa and read, taking some notes at your leisure.

Both are important to know. One requires effort, another can be a relaxing hobby.

 

[Atlantico]

To learn physics well, you gotta go to the university for 5 years. To learn history, just open a history book and read some, taking some notes are your leisure.

History books are thinly veiled propaganda. A historian needs to understand the propaganda and decipher it.

 

[†††]

Can't even trust current sources, imagine sources of the past. History is a spook. Only stuff like archeology and genetic studies can shine a light on history, and it's not without its limits as far as interpretations go, since they often pit their conclusions against written accepted "history".

 

[Butter]

https://gab.com/Halp/posts/109263391531807674

Josh getting dragged.

[Medicine 12/40] uhm I guess I'll take the jab, can't hurt eh...

 

[Major_Blackhart]

That's great

 

[Kaivokz]

This has to be the most asinine twaddle in defense of worthless poor fag history and philosophy bachelor degrees I have ever read.

Society needs STEM degrees or apprenticeships, not worthless degrees that don't put food on the table and also put people that study this trash deeply into debt.

You're also indirectly claiming that if simpletons don't get a worthless history or philosophy major, then STEM majors will never come into contact with history or philosophy. This is incredibly absurd, especially since many STEM majors also have a minor in liberal arts. Not to mention that everyone has also had history and philosophy to some degree in grade school.

Also, a worthless history major might make you feel all fuzzy inside, but it won't support you financially. With a PhD you can at least teach (good luck finding a job, I personally know a guy with a liberal arts PhD that is unemployed), but anything less is worthless. The least of history majors will have great luck like Josh Sawyer and be able to find a non-specialist job in some industry.

You have a lot to say about money, so it might surprise you that among 4 year degree holders in the US, those who have Philosophy degrees are one of the highest earning demographics. But, that wasn’t really my point; my point is that the glorification of STEM and science and the vilification of philosophy and history (I mean all history: history of science, of quantum mechanics, of the theory of evolution, and yes of civilizations and people, etc.) is directly linked to the vacuity of the growing “intellectual” class.

I absolutely agree that taking a $100k loan to get a degree that might pay it off in 50 years is a terrible idea, regardless of the benefit the education provides—but this is true of doctors who will need 50 years to pay off their loans, and it would be true if it cost $200k to become a welder or if welders earned minimum wage; it has nothing to do with the intellectual or social benefit of the subject and all to do with the economy.

Finally, you can continue to claim that a bachelor degree in history isn't worthless, but the droves of unemployed liberal arts majors, that can only get a job at Starbucks or McDonalds, speaks a very clear language.

I guarantee you that many software developers would benefit from a few in-depth courses in logic; Aristotle with his square of opposition could teach them to be better programmers… and he’s ~2,500 years behind! A degree in history doesn’t correspond as directly with a benefit and I agree with Bester that for most people history should be supplemental to whatever their main field is. That said, I don’t think historians are useless (particularly those who go to primary sources and work more as detectives than propaganda regurgitators), but obviously if all you can do with a degree in History is work at Starbucks, then you’ve done something wrong (probably: listened to some liar talking about being whatever you want to be).

Anyway, I’m responding mostly to your hostility to the humanities when, apparently, if you stick that history major in some goggles and have them look through a microscope or other “sciency” tool, they’re valuable—even if, in practice, it takes no more critical thinking or ingenuity or talent than being a barrister. They just get paid more—and let’s be honest: do you really think Bezos and Schmuckerberg are the pinnacle of the human form? They’re the embodiment of a flourishing man?

As an aside, I have degrees in both philosophy and software development. Almost everything I learned in the latter I could have taught myself, and probably faster, but the piece of paper opens doors. From philosophy, I had a couple brilliant professors (old white men, before they all got banned) whose insight went “beyond the text” and really helped me appreciate truth, reason and argument when I was 18-19; I’m deeply indebted to them for opening my eyes to the wealth and beauty of human knowledge. Unfortunately I’m keenly aware that most good teachers are being forced out of western universities and all that’s soon to be left are propaganda mouth pieces.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

Shut up Josh. Go back to making your shit tabletop game nobody will ever play.

 

[Kleptocratic debt serf]

https://gab.com/Halp/posts/109263391531807674

Josh getting dragged.

[Medicine 12/40] uhm I guess I'll take the jab, can't hurt eh...

Damn, some good shit ->

@Halp to be fair, that dude looks like he gets in underwear hammer fights already. who knows what other diseases he has swimming around

@Halp I love that the new spin is that covid gives you all the horrible adverse effects of the vaxx. And, they're eating it up. Oh my God! I had covid and now I can't breathe well, and my left arm fell off....

 

[mediocrepoet]

You have a lot to say about money, so it might surprise you that among 4 year degree holders in the US, those who have Philosophy degrees are one of the highest earning demographics. But, that wasn’t really my point; my point is that the glorification of STEM and science and the vilification of philosophy and history (I mean all history: history of science, of quantum mechanics, of the theory of evolution, and yes of civilizations and people, etc.) is directly linked to the vacuity of the growing “intellectual” class.

I largely agree with most of this, however, I didn't know that about earnings. I'd imagine that many of those are lawyers and such though, or who have otherwise found a compatible second education that earns while Philosophy formed the basis of their critical thought and approach to things. Is that your understanding of it?

Anyway, I’m responding mostly to your hostility to the humanities when, apparently, if you stick that history major in some goggles and have them look through a microscope or other “sciency” tool, they’re valuable—even if, in practice, it takes no more critical thinking or ingenuity or talent than being a barrister. They just get paid more—and let’s be honest: do you really think Bezos and Schmuckerberg are the pinnacle of the human form? They’re the embodiment of a flourishing man?

Zuckerberg isn't even human, Bezos looks like he's having a good time though, so if we take out virtue from the concept of being eudaimon or otherwise remove eudaimonia from what it means to be a flourishing human, sure.

As an aside, I have degrees in both philosophy and software development. Almost everything I learned in the latter I could have taught myself, and probably faster, but the piece of paper opens doors. From philosophy, I had a couple brilliant professors (old white men, before they all got banned) whose insight went “beyond the text” and really helped me appreciate truth, reason and argument when I was 18-19; I’m deeply indebted to them for opening my eyes to the wealth and beauty of human knowledge.

I had this argument with a math PhD around 20 years ago. It's still true. A proper appreciation of the humanities requires interaction in a way that many other studies don't and it isn't the sort of thing you just pick up on your own with a book later. At least not if you want to be any good at it.

 

[gongal]

Thx for being human guinea pig so I don't have to

Could've been much worse if he didn't take the vaxx

 

[<3sRichardSimmons]

I have two undergraduate degrees, one of which is a philosophy degree. When I was applying to and interviewing with law schools I was told by multiple schools that my philosophy degree had specifically caught their attention when screening applicants because it was relatively uncommon to see applicants with anything other than pre-law, poli-sci, or criminal justice (having now conducted various law school interviews I can confirm this, although my understanding is that it's becoming less of an absolute than it was 20 years ago).

So I've never regretted my philosophy degree. Although to be fair it was from a fairly prestigious institution; I doubt it would have attracted anyone's interest if it had been conferred on me from University of Phoenix Online. Also: yeah if you're going to get a philosophy degree you should reaaaaaaaalllly consider getting a double-major.

 

[Dadd]

There is no degree more based than a philosophy degree.

 

[santino27]

Ready for Infinitron to split this off and send it straight to Retardo-land.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

It's because of all these Soyer alts that keep posting about his education is far superior to everyone else and that proves he has friends and isn't an autistic fuckwad.

 

[Dadd]

Sawyer wouldn't be able to browse this thread without having a mental breakdown.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

Someone needs to tweet this entire thing to him

 

[mediocrepoet]

It's because of all these Soyer alts that keep posting about his education is far superior to everyone else and that proves he has friends and isn't an autistic fuckwad.

He is an autistic fuckwad who posts cringe non-stop. And his education is probably superior to yours.