King of Dragon Pass - Thoughts and advice requests

[Gragt]

Good. To sin is fun.

Else we wouldn't want to do it and it wouldn't be reprehensible.

 

[Malakal]

Savescumming makes games like this unfun in my opinion - here fun comes from challenge and overcoming opposition, save scumming removes that. What satisfaction is winning without challenge?

 

[oscar]

Might as well watch a Let's Play on youtube if you're going to savescum.

 

[laclongquan]

Dont worry about it, I savescummed lots and I still replay it many times.

Anyway.

To start with, you only have one or two heroquest, mostly from your major gods. Your chieftain, or ring member of that god(des) should be relatively young with relatively good stat. (s)he will do HQ very often to gain godly stats, mostly so she can support a younger male version to advance.

you only have certain time before the final quest/event advance. So you need to train the correct chieftain's stat. That mean no female, and of correct stats, in chieftain throne. Which mean he will train HQ from youth. Which mean a ring member with godly stat will help immensely.

 

[RK47]

Savescumming makes games like this unfun in my opinion - here fun comes from challenge and overcoming opposition, save scumming removes that. What satisfaction is winning without challenge?

I think for some people winning is satisfaction itself.
But some would really love a semi-guaranteed chance if the necessary preparations have been made and requirement fulfilled.
A 99% success chance basically.
Failing 1 out of 10 times after going through so much bullshit is a little much I feel.

 

[ironyuri]

I wish Jaesun's parents had savescummed instead of shitting this faggot into the world in his current state.

Boom.

 

[RK47]

I wish Jaesun's parents had savescummed instead of shitting this faggot into the world in his current state.

Boom.

*fists*

 

[Malakal]

Savescumming makes games like this unfun in my opinion - here fun comes from challenge and overcoming opposition, save scumming removes that. What satisfaction is winning without challenge?

I think for some people winning is satisfaction itself.
But some would really love a semi-guaranteed chance if the necessary preparations have been made and requirement fulfilled.
A 99% success chance basically.
Failing 1 out of 10 times after going through so much bullshit is a little much I feel.

Of course winning is fun by itself but the fun you get is proportional to the challenge you have to overcome in order to win. My first wins in roguelikes are always special, for example, after dying so much I finally reach my goal! Its different than today's "achievements" given for nothing.

 

[SCO]

Hey guys, how do you find out about 'argan agar'. It's one of the 4 gods that you can 'find' during the game - the rest being Tarard Riel, the wind spirits, Kero Fin

 

[ironyuri]

Hey guys, how do you find out about 'argan agar'. It's one of the 4 gods that you can 'find' during the game - the rest being Tarard Riel, the wind spirits, Kero Fin

I was looking for a god and then I found a god, and heaven knows I'm miserable now!

 

[Linden]

Hey guys, how do you find out about 'argan agar'. It's one of the 4 gods that you can 'find' during the game - the rest being Tarard Riel, the wind spirits, Kero Fin

There's an ongoing LP of KoDP at SA, and someone in it just posted a huge lore post. In the post was mentioned a being called "Argan Argar" who apparently was/is some sort of darkness god worshipped by the trolls in the First Age.

I'll just post the whole paragraph here:

The First Age

In the centuries that followed, the Uz fought many and settled in many places. They faced the ancient civilizations of man, especially the Yelm-worshippers, whom they hated. The infant god Gbaji, called Nystalor, the Perfect One or Rashoran also, was born from the psuedocosmic egg, leading to a great war. Gbaji warred against the trolls and their allies, as well as the dragonewts. In this war, he hurled a great curse upon the Uz and Dragonewts. The Dragonewts were saved when a true dragon awoke for a moment, devouring the curse's energies. Kyger Litor wrestled with the curse, but it overcame her and broke her spirit. Thus did the Trollkin begin to appear.

The Trollkin Curse nearly wiped out the Uz. Instead of bearing healthy trolls, pregnant females carried a much shorter term and gave birth to weak, unformed creatures that would not die. At first, these were destroyed, until the Uz realized that they were more than half of all births. Thus, the trollkin were allowed to live as slaves and trolls. Gbaji and his chaos army marched on Dragon Pass, conquering it and driving the Uz underground.

Many trolls, including the heroic Naxili Garang, hero-quested again and again to try and break the Curse, but ultimately they failed. Still, even Gbaji and Yelm could not conquer the darkness, and the cult of the darkness god Argan Argar kept the trolls strong. They were led by the human Arkat, who allied with them to drive off the chaos armies of Gbaji. Arkat was wounded by Zorak Zoran during a heroquest, but the troll priestess Garazaf Hyloric healed him, making him a trollfriend for life.

Later, Arkat was rescued again by trolls, becoming transmuted into a troll by the great spells of Garazaf. His kin, the humans, feared or mocked him, but he led the trolls against Gbaji, becoming named Arkat Chaos Killer and slaying the infant god atop the Tower of Dreams. Thus ended the First Age.

I have no idea where to find him, though.

 

[Smashing Axe]

At a guess I'd say it's where the trolls are, to the north. Never found him before though.

 

[Gord]

The wind spirits I found while exploring somewhere (I think the holy mountain), would guess it's similar with Argan Argar - if he was worshipped by the trolls, that's where I would start.

 

[SCO]

Ummm, seems to be unimplemented. It's in the data, and clan members can even worship him, but it has no blessings or anything to sacrifice for.
I has a description if you hack it in the save game 'Troll god of trade. The Only Old One was his son.'

Ah well (i though it was from the rare 'troll merchants event').

The others are found by:

Spoiler

wind spirits and kero fin, search the mountain 'kero fin'. Search it a lot.
The other is a rock spirit in your tula, that i'm not sure if it has to be searched for or is a normal event.

 

[Linden]

How can clan members worship him...?

 

[SCO]

By editing the save game like a boss. The other gods get child worshippers when they are added to the pantheon. By the way did you realize that the ring clan members can worship more than one god? It even occurs naturally in the game.

 

[Linden]

By the way did you realize that the ring clan members can worship more than one god? It even occurs naturally in the game.

Indeed. I have a woman worshipping both Ernalda and Uralda on my ring at this very moment. Very useful, if you want to have representatives of as many gods as possible on the ring (which you probably do). I've also seen Orlanth+Elmal combos.

edit: However, not all combos are possible. I think it has something to do with how close the gods are to each other (such as Uralda and Ernalda being sisters, and Orlanth and Elmal being bros 4 life)

 

[ironyuri]

So I downloaded KDoP from GOG, formed a Tribe and I'm a boss. Then I tried to restore a saved game and it shit itself and won't reload.

Do I need to do something to the game files a la JA2 from gog which wouldn't reload games either?

 

[oscar]

No one ever seems to have gotten my issue where King of Dragon Pass would take about 15 minutes to start (but then would work completely fine).

 

[SCO]

Restart the game and load from the main menu. Wine also has that problem for some reason (on my 'nocd' scheme at least, dunno about what GoG did).

 

[SCO]

So I downloaded KDoP from GOG, formed a Tribe and I'm a boss. Then I tried to restore a saved game and it shit itself and won't reload.

Do I need to do something to the game files a la JA2 from gog which wouldn't reload games either?

http://af.gog.com/en/forum/king_of_dragon_pass/crash_on_loading_savegame?as=1649904300

Is this you Deutschlander?

 

[JudasIscariot]

Try installing the game OUTSIDE of Program Files. I noticed on my installation the game puts the saves where the KODP.exe resides. Old games installed in Program Files have issues due to the fact that saves are stored in an entirely different folder whose name escapes me at the moment. Keep in mind that this game was made before someone had the bright idea of implementing the weird stuff with Program Files that causes saved games to go elsewhere.

 

[Gragt]

As far as I know, that's due to UAC. Disable it and that sort of trouble should be gone.

 

[Linden]

Resurrecting this thread to tell everyone that I just beat King of Dragon Pass without savescumming, for the first time ever.

Next, I'm going to do a feminist run. The rules will be as follow:

1. Only women on the clan ring.
2. Worship only female gods. Build shrines only to female gods.
3. All squabbles between men and women must be decided in the favor of the women.
4. Allies should include clans that have women chieftains.
5. Ancient enemy: BeastMEN.
Etc.

The patriarchy of Dragon Pass will tremble.

 

[J_C]

Feminist scum.