Kingdom Come: Deliverance II - Henry's coming to see us on February 4th

[Yosharian]

For the record, even 2015's CDPR introcuded 0 token diversity in Witcher 3.

They added at least two brown NPCs with hearts of stone IIRC, merchants from Offieri (sp) or something like that

Browns were part of the Witcher from day one https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Azar_Javed

Zerrikanians can be black, apparently.

 

[Cross]

I will be fine with negro

Even Dragon Age fans have more self-respect than you do.

 

[thesecret1]

I would really like to know the process behind creating this character

"Put a nigger in. And I mean like a nigger nigger, you know? Gold chains and shit, make him talk about how Wakanda is the best, think we can get away with having him rap for a bit? Oh and make him a doctor, his backstory being that he's a refugee."

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

But how he would be a scholar in this scenario?

Taken as a slave during hajj maybe?

The problem is that he very much does not look like a slave that was traded multiple times.

 

[Spectral Pontifex]

(even though they are influenced by Czech nationalist propaganda).

What do you mean?

In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

You can see elements of this right at the beginning of KCD. A German peasant is spouting about his support for Sigismund to some Czechs. The conversation is framed within an ethnic context. "You Czechs." "Your king." "Germans like you." Then, when you go to throw shit at the German's house, your friends shout "For king and the country." and when a group of Germans catches you, the conversation again pivots around nationalist sentiments and insults.

This is not how people thought in the medieval ages. Wenceslaus was not "Czech" by any stretch of the imagination. Nobles married other nobles irrespective of their "national" background. Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution. Wenceslaus was more German than anything, but even this statement is anachronism. They simply didn't think like that.

There were towns and noble families in Bohemia that staunchly opposed Wenceslaus. There were regions in Bohemia that were Catholic and fought against the Hussite heretics. Presenting these wars as ethnic is the result of 19th century Czech nationalism and outright anti-Germanism.

 

[Hace El Oso]

Since The Witcher is earlier medieval, they made them Saracens, which is perfect.

Isn't the guy in the picture wearing Western European chaperon hat (which is different from turban used by Muslims as headwear) though?

It doesn't look like a classic chaperon because it doesn't have the doughnut around his forehead. This approximate style of headwear was common around much of the civilized world.

You could as easily point out the metal roundshields. But that's quibbling and hairsplitting over minutia. The guy is a stereotypical Saracen bringing strange, temperamental yet powerful goods from the Roman east and further.

 

[ArchAngel]

But how he would be a scholar in this scenario?

Taken as a slave during hajj maybe?

The problem is that he very much does not look like a slave that was traded multiple times.

What do you mean? He was a she when first taken.

 

[thr]

(even though they are influenced by Czech nationalist propaganda).

What do you mean?

In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

You can see elements of this right at the beginning of KCD. A German peasant is spouting about his support for Sigismund to some Czechs. The conversation is framed within an ethnic context. "You Czechs." "Your king." "Germans like you." Then, when you go to throw shit at the German's house, your friends shout "For king and the country." and when a group of Germans catches you, the conversation again pivots around nationalist sentiments and insults.

This is not how people thought in the medieval ages. Wenceslaus was not "Czech" by any stretch of the imagination. Nobles married other nobles irrespective of their "national" background. Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution. Wenceslaus was more German than anything, but even this statement is anachronism. They simply didn't think like that.

There were towns and noble families in Bohemia that staunchly opposed Wenceslaus. There were regions in Bohemia that were Catholic and fought against the Hussite heretics. Presenting these wars as ethnic is the result of 19th century Czech nationalism and outright anti-Germanism.

Oh god, not this progressivist nonsense again. First of all, you are mixing two completely different things - nationalism (i.e. political ambition to have a nation state), and national awareness. While nationalism did became a thing much later, people were not retarded and they knew that they speak the same language, share the same history, customs, live in particular region and.....are czechs! And suprisingly, people could tell there are other groups, who speak different language, have different customs, came from a different region...and are germans! And even more surprisingly, 15th century was not a multicultural paradise where people celebrated diversity. Ingroup/outgroup dynamics and xenophobia didn't suddenly came into existence in 19th century, they are here since the dawn of humanity, beacuse that's what keeps people alive! The idea of a 15th century czechs being more inclusive than modern western liberals, not getting into conflicts with germans who back than had many privileges granted by the king (tax exemptions, exclusive rights for various crafts,...) is utterely ridiculous. It implies totally delusional idea of medieval people as some kind of aliens who's brains work completely different than ours.

That is all besides the point that we actually have a written proof of NATIONAL conflicts between czechs and germans in 14th century - Chronicle of Dalimil. That shit is full of explicit anti-german hatred.

 

[Spectral Pontifex]

Oh god, not this progressivist nonsense again. First of all, you are mixing two completely different things - nationalism (i.e. political ambition to have a nation state), and national awareness. While nationalism did became a thing much later, people were not retarded and they knew that they speak the same language, share the same history, customs, live in particular region and.....are czechs! And suprisingly, people could tell there are other groups, who speak different language, have different customs, came from a different region...and are germans! And even more surprisingly, 15th century was not a multicultural paradise where people celebrated diversity. Ingroup/outgroup dynamics and xenophobia didn't suddenly came into existence in 19th century, they are here since the dawn of humanity, beacuse that's what keeps people alive! The idea of a 15th czechs being more inclusive than a modern western liberal, not getting into conflict with germans who back than had many privileges granted by the king (tax exemptions, exclusive rights for various crafts,...) is utterely ridiculous. It implies totally delusional idea of medieval people as some kind of aliens who's brains work completely different than ours.

The war between Wenceslaus and Sigismund was political, not national. They were literally half-brothers from the same dynasty. It was not a war between a Czech and a German, between Czech and German nations. Wenceslaus himself was opposed by many members of the Bohemian nobility.

One "foreign" king against another, his own brother. This hardly fits your nationalistic narrative.

That is all besides the point that we actually have a written proof of NATIONAL conflicts between czechs and germans in 14th century - Chronicle of Dalimil. That shit is full of explicit anti-german hatred.

Yes, people felt national animosities. Yet they played a very little role in wars of nobles, who felt themselves a race of their own, and had ancestry from all over Europe.

 

[Jenkem]

anti-woke mods are a cope

 

[Shin]

(even though they are influenced by Czech nationalist propaganda).

What do you mean?

In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

You can see elements of this right at the beginning of KCD. A German peasant is spouting about his support for Sigismund to some Czechs. The conversation is framed within an ethnic context. "You Czechs." "Your king." "Germans like you." Then, when you go to throw shit at the German's house, your friends shout "For king and the country." and when a group of Germans catches you, the conversation again pivots around nationalist sentiments and insults.

This is not how people thought in the medieval ages. Wenceslaus was not "Czech" by any stretch of the imagination. Nobles married other nobles irrespective of their "national" background. Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution. Wenceslaus was more German than anything, but even this statement is anachronism. They simply didn't think like that.

There were towns and noble families in Bohemia that staunchly opposed Wenceslaus. There were regions in Bohemia that were Catholic and fought against the Hussite heretics. Presenting these wars as ethnic is the result of 19th century Czech nationalism and outright anti-Germanism.

Oh god, not this progressivist nonsense again. First of all, you are mixing two completely different things - nationalism (i.e. political ambition to have a nation state), and national awareness. While nationalism did became a thing much later, people were not retarded and they knew that they speak the same language, share the same history, customs, live in particular region and.....are czechs! And suprisingly, people could tell there are other groups, who speak different language, have different customs, came from a different region...and are germans! And even more surprisingly, 15th century was not a multicultural paradise where people celebrated diversity. Ingroup/outgroup dynamics and xenophobia didn't suddenly came into existence in 19th century, they are here since the dawn of humanity, beacuse that's what keeps people alive! The idea of a 15th century czechs being more inclusive than modern western liberals, not getting into conflicts with germans who back than had many privileges granted by the king (tax exemptions, exclusive rights for various crafts,...) is utterely ridiculous. It implies totally delusional idea of medieval people as some kind of aliens who's brains work completely different than ours.

That is all besides the point that we actually have a written proof of NATIONAL conflicts between czechs and germans in 14th century - Chronicle of Dalimil. That shit is full of explicit anti-german hatred.

So Spectral Pontifex' post kinda conflates the lack of 'modern nationalism' with the idea that there was no ethnic or linguistic tension in the region (not saying he is unaware of this as it's fairly obvious). But to be fair he has a good points about medieval polities being centered around dynasties and feudal bonds and not around 'national identity'. You rightly point that out (although I'm not sure where he noted that 15th century was a multicultural paradise more inclusive than modern western society) yet I think you yourself eventually seem to simplify the situation back to 'it was a ethnic conflict', which is also easy to disprove. There seems to have been ethnic/linguistic tensions at the time (as always) but if they're strong? We can't really prove that. You're being right about the Chronicle of Dalimil being full of anti-german hatred - this doesn't mean it was widely adopted (i wanted to say 'read' but most people obviously couldnt do read at the time). I think we're all in agreement the Hussite wars were about the Catholic's church corruption and the need for doctrinal reform first and foremost.

So I guess you're both a bit right and a bit wrong (as I probably am, I'm not a historian, but I do enjoy history).
edit: made a big word salad

 

[Spectral Pontifex]

So Spectral Pontifex' post kinda conflates the lack of 'modern nationalism' with the idea that there was no ethnic or linguistic tension in the region (not saying he is unaware of this as it's fairly obvious). But to be fair he has a good points about medieval polities being centered around dynasties and feudal bonds and not around 'national identity'. You rightly point that out (although I'm not sure where he noted that 15th century was a multicultural paradise more inclusive than modern western society) yet I think you yourself eventually seem to simplify the situation back to 'it was a ethnic conflict', which is also easy to disprove. There seems to have been ethnic/linguistic tensions at the time (as always) but if they're strong? We can't really prove that. You're being right about the Chronicle of Dalimil being full of anti-german hatred - this doesn't mean it was widely adopted (i wanted to say 'read' but most people obviously couldnt do read at the time). I think we're all in agreement the Hussite wars were about the Catholic's church corruption and the need for doctrinal reform first and foremost.

So I guess you're both a bit right and a bit wrong (as I probably am, I'm not a historian, but I do enjoy history).
edit: made a big word salad

As I said to thr.

In Czechia - and KCD - the war is painted in nationalistic overtones, at the very least. When in reality these were two noble brothers fighting each other. I did not say there weren't ethnic tensions - I said that they played little to no role in the war. Had Wenceslaus inherited Poland instead of Bohemia, the war would have been over his title of king of Poland instead.

Portraying Wenceslaus as some kind of a Czech nationalist fighting Germans is an anachronistic fantasy of modern Czechs.

 

[thr]

Oh god, not this progressivist nonsense again. First of all, you are mixing two completely different things - nationalism (i.e. political ambition to have a nation state), and national awareness. While nationalism did became a thing much later, people were not retarded and they knew that they speak the same language, share the same history, customs, live in particular region and.....are czechs! And suprisingly, people could tell there are other groups, who speak different language, have different customs, came from a different region...and are germans! And even more surprisingly, 15th century was not a multicultural paradise where people celebrated diversity. Ingroup/outgroup dynamics and xenophobia didn't suddenly came into existence in 19th century, they are here since the dawn of humanity, beacuse that's what keeps people alive! The idea of a 15th czechs being more inclusive than a modern western liberal, not getting into conflict with germans who back than had many privileges granted by the king (tax exemptions, exclusive rights for various crafts,...) is utterely ridiculous. It implies totally delusional idea of medieval people as some kind of aliens who's brains work completely different than ours.

The war between Wenceslaus and Sigismund was political, not national. They were literally half-brothers from the same dynasty. It was not a war between a Czech and a German, between Czech and German nations. Wenceslaus himself was opposed by many members of the Bohemian nobility.

One "foreign" king against another, his own brother. This hardly fits your nationalistic narrative.

That is all besides the point that we actually have a written proof of NATIONAL conflicts between czechs and germans in 14th century - Chronicle of Dalimil. That shit is full of explicit anti-german hatred.

Yes, people felt national animosities. Yet they played a very little role in wars of nobles, who felt themselves a race of their own, and had ancestry from all over Europe.

I'm happy you tacitly left your previous notion that the concept of nation itself didn't exist. Now let me explain something about politics - it's complicated. To claim that the Hussite wars or the war between Wenceslaus and Sigismund were only religious, or only political, or only national, is a foolish simplification. They were actually all of that and more. You have different groups with different motivations and different interests. The fact that political elites take side with different nation/ethnical group is nothing unique even today when we have nation states - does the fact that several prominent ukraininan politicians supported Russia mean that the the war is not national? The aforementioned Chronicle of Dalimil for example contains praises of czech nobles opposing "german elements" (and is critical of those who side with germans). Also the fact that political elites are sort of removed from their population is more common than not. When the European Council meets, I'd argue those PMs and presidents have more in common with each other than with their respective populations, and when they agree on something, their nations are often very surprised. Former czech PM was actually slovak who can't speak proper czech, does it mean czechs can't be nationalists if their ruler was not from their nation?

My point is not that it was 100% ethnical/national conflict, my point is that to claim that people "didn't think like that" and that there was no aspect of national conflict is utter nonsense. There was. To what degree can be a subject of discussion, but it was far from insignificant.

Shin see above, I didnt claim it was first and formost ethnical conflict, I was mainly against the complete denial of these tendencies.

edit: and I would argue KCD shows the ethnical conflict in the exact way that I'm talking about it - it's there in the background, for some characters more prevailent than for others. However, it's far from being some cheap anti-german propaganda (that wouldn't fly if only because Germany is one of their biggest markets lol), and for example the nobility always mostly talks about pragmatic alliances without any national aspects.

 

[thesecret1]

In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

As a czech, I can assure you that it isn't, not least because half the country (moravial and silesia) opposed hussites (as did many in Bohemia for that matter). It doesn't even make sense historically - we do not consider Luxembourgs to be "German", but rather think of them as having fully assimilated into the Czech culture – Charles IV. is commonly considered to be the greatest Czech that has ever lived, for example. As such, there are no "German occupiers" to speak of – we were not under any occupation. Hell, the time under Charles IV. is frequently considered to be a period when Bohemia dominated all of Germany, the absolute apex of Czech influence in all of history, rivalled only perhaps by the Premyslids.

 

[cvv]

As a czech, I can assure you that it isn't, not least because half the country (moravial and silesia) opposed hussites (as did many in Bohemia for that matter). It doesn't even make sense historically - we do not consider Luxembourgs to be "German"

All that is true but as thr says, it's complicated.

Obviously in-groups and out-groups have existed from the dawn of time and one of the distinguishing features has always been language. There's a reason both the Potatos and us call the Germans "Mutes" (Niemcy, Němci) - they were those OTHER people that didn't speak our language.

Yes the modern notion of a NATION didn't exist but Czechs always considered Germans THE OTHER.

And vice versa. After all one of the reasons Ottokar II. wasn't elected the King of the predominantly German Holy Roman Empire was because he was a) powerful and threatening and b) Czech. They elected Rudolf Habsburg instead, thinking this old, insignificant Swiss-German count won't stir the pot too much. Unwittingly they elected one of the most brilliant politicians of all times and fucked themselves way more than they would've with the hated Knedlik.

 

[Spectral Pontifex]

I'm happy you tacitly left your previous notion that the concept of nation itself didn't exist.

I said:

Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution.

It was not a properly formed ideology. It did not cause revolutions as it did after the French Revolution. Political leaders did not rally behind nation states.

You assume the majority of people who spoke Czech were ardent nationalists. I assume that they were not. Czech-German marriages were not uncommon. Let us not forget that the Czech nationalism of the 19th century was orchestrated by dedicated intellectuals who used the press to spread its ideas - and they purposefully created fabrications about the "glorious" Czech past to fool more people into it. There was not an organised effort like that in the past. There were no nation states at the time, it was still a foreign idea that - dare I say - wasn't exactly on the mind of the average peasant who just wanted to feed his family, and not perish in a "great patriotic war" for an abstract never-before-seen ideal.

The aforementioned Chronicle of Dalimil for example contains praises of czech nobles opposing "german elements" (and is critical of those who side with germans).

Wenceslaus himself was a German element. I fail to see why Czechs as a nation - according to you, apparently - flocked behind his cause in a patriotic rush as if he promulgated Czech nationalism, or Czech independence.

Nationalism had nothing to do with the war. It's just a modern projection.

In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

As a czech, I can assure you that it isn't, not least because half the country (moravial and silesia) opposed hussites (as did many in Bohemia for that matter). It doesn't even make sense historically - we do not consider Luxembourgs to be "German", but rather think of them as having fully assimilated into the Czech culture – Charles IV. is commonly considered to be the greatest Czech that has ever lived, for example. As such, there are no "German occupiers" to speak of – we were not under any occupation. Hell, the time under Charles IV. is frequently considered to be a period when Bohemia dominated all of Germany, the absolute apex of Czech influence in all of history, rivalled only perhaps by the Premyslids.

Were Hussites not heralded as national heroes during the Czech National Revival? Were they not said to be the precusors of democracy? And during communism, were they not said to be the first (proto)communists? Haven't they been making films about the Hussites and Jan Žižka since the 1950s? They have.

They remain national heroes, who fought against the Germans.

Charles IV is claimed as a Czech king mainly because he was a great king, who ruled from Prague. Were he an incompetent king, who ruled from Prague, would he have been regarded as a Czech, or as an oppressive tyrant occupying Prague?

Czechs refuse to accept HRE as a whole as part of their history, they cherry pick in a nationalistic fever. I am not saying Czechs shouldn't claim Charles IV and other people like him. I am saying that they should view HRE in its entirety as part of their history, and throw off anti-German hatred. There isn't a single Czech living today, who doesn't have German ancestors. Almost thousand years were spent living next to Germans. Indeed, the Bohemian Germans are as much ancestors of modern Czechs as are the Bohemian Czechs.

 

[thesecret1]

Were Hussites not heralded as national heroes during the Czech National Revival?

Sure

Were they not said to be the precusors of democracy?

No.

And during communism, were they not said to be the first (proto)communists?

Yes.

They remain national heroes, who fought against the Germans.

Czechs are split on whether they should be considered heroes or not. Fight against Germans is not and has never been the focus, and it's not like Germans were the only ones who fought against hussites either.

Charles IV is claimed as a Czech king mainly because he was a great king, who ruled from Prague. Were he an incompetent king, who ruled from Prague, would he have been regarded as a Czech, or as an oppressive tyrant occupying Prague?

He would be claimed a Czech King, just as his predecessors and successors were. The notion that were were under German dominance only really came to be after the Battle of Bílá Hora in 1620, after which Czech nobility was executed and replaced by German one.

Czechs refuse to accept HRE as a whole as part of their history

That's blatantly false.

I am saying that they should view HRE in its entirety as part of their history, and throw off anti-German hatred.

Thankfully, nobody gives a shit what you think Czechs should or shouldn't do.

There isn't a single Czech living today, who doesn't have German ancestors.

That's false, but I don't think anybody cares anyway. You seem to be stuck in the 50's, thinking there's some wide anti-german hatred in Bohemia, when it's the opposite. Czechs suck German dick so hard nowadays it's disgraceful.

 

[V17]

Were Hussites not heralded as national heroes during the Czech National Revival? Were they not said to be the precusors of democracy? And during communism, were they not said to be the first (proto)communists? Haven't they been making films about the Hussites and Jan Žižka since the 1950s? They have.

They remain national heroes, who fought against the Germans.

For what it's worth I think this has been changing for decades now. Czech National Revival used whatever was available and more to shape our national identity (with success) and commies are commies. In the present I have met people who refer to Jan Hus as a religious terrorrist in a tongue in cheek way multiple times to the point that I'd say it's a bit of a meme in some social bubbles. And most normies don't really give a shit, it's someone that literally everyone knows by name and a couple details, but they don't really think about him or relate to him in any way.

Also I don't think there's much hatred of Germans nowadays. I myself am at least 1/8 German (which I guess makes me a German native by US standards).

edit: I'd say that the only wrong shit in our relation to Germans nowadays is the still relatively common refusal to admit that some parts of the process of kicking out Germans after WW2, which was in its concept shitty but inevitable, were unnecessarily brutal and on par with German war crimes. Like many things in our history, this is largely the commies' fault because they decided to hush it and never speak of it again and 50 years later when others started to pull it out and write about it, people somewhat understandably didn't want to hear about it.

 

[Spectral Pontifex]

Were they not said to be the precusors of democracy?

No.

Yes, they have:

As medieval historian Pavlína Cermanová explains, Tábor was a useful example of how Masaryk envisaged the new state.

“Masaryk saw the historical Táborites and their community as founded on democratic ideas. A group of equal people, remaining deeply rooted in faith. He was a very pious man who never divided between state and religion. Therefore Tábor’s community, based on religion but not Catholicism, was ideal for Masaryk. This was characterised in his programme, which bore the name: ‘Democracy and Religion‘.“

Czechs are split on whether they should be considered heroes or not.

Fair enough, it is changing. They are still presented as heroes more often than not.

Fight against Germans is not and has never been the focus, and it's not like Germans were the only ones who fought against hussites either.

I disagree. Hussites became the focus of many a Czech historian precisely because they could claim them as a Czech uprising. It would not have ever become the icon it did if the uprising was international.

"I am saying that they should view HRE in its entirety as part of their history, and throw off anti-German hatred."

Thankfully, nobody gives a shit what you think Czechs should or shouldn't do.

And it is preciserly this sentiment that has ensured Czechia will forever live in the shadow of what it used to be. From rich lands of the HRE, to the industrious First Republic. As you might know, Sudetenland is now a desolate wasteland, when it used to the opposite. Happens when you banish 30% of your population.

"There isn't a single Czech living today, who doesn't have German ancestors."

That's false, but I don't think anybody cares anyway.

You have approximately 33,554,432 ancestors going back to 1400, the year of KCD. German surnames are still common in Czechia, 80 years after the expulsion of Germans. (Often, they are slavicised: Schmidt - Šmíd)

You seem to be stuck in the 50's, thinking there's some wide anti-german hatred in Bohemia, when it's the opposite. Czechs suck German dick so hard nowadays it's disgraceful.

As far as Czech portrayal of history goes, yes it is anti-German. Yes, you are right, people don't go around hunting Germans, but the particular sense of history is there.

 

[thesecret1]

Yes, they have:

That someone at some point in history interpreted something in some manner doesn't mean that narrative is present today.

Fair enough, it is changing. They are still presented as heroes more often than not.

You say that as though it's a bad thing. They took on most of Europe and won – any country that scoffs at such a feat is a country of cucks.

I disagree. Hussites became the focus of many a Czech historian precisely because they could claim them as a Czech uprising. It would not have ever become the icon it did if the uprising was international.

Again - that some historians 200 years ago presented some event in some way doesn't mean that event is presented that way today. There had been not a hint of anti-german sentiment in any of the history classes I took on the subject.

And it is preciserly this sentiment that has ensured Czechia will forever live in the shadow of what it used to be. From rich lands of the HRE, to the industrious First Republic. As you might know, Sudetenland is now a desolate wasteland, when it used to the opposite. Happens when you banish 30% of your population.

Maybe if you cherrypick some regions. I happen to live in Sudetenlands, and it's quite fine. Also this whole line of argument is highly fallacious – I assume you're German, so you should know well and good that no amount of economic development can justify compromising your nation with foreigners. Or are you one of those germans "thankful" for turks who have come to "rebuild" the country after WW2?

You have approximately 33,554,432 ancestors going back to 1400, the year of KCD. German surnames are still common in Czechia, 80 years after the expulsion of Germans. (Often, they are slavicised: Schmidt - Šmíd)

Oh, so if even one of them is German, then "you have german ancestors"? I'm sorry to inform you, but using such metrics, every german has french, Dutch, Italian, Spaniard, Polish, Greek, Russian, etc. ancestors, and most of them probably also some Turks and niggers, maybe even asians... If a Šmíd had a German ancestor 600 years ago and had only intermarried with Czechs since then, I really won't consider that german ancestry to be relevant in the least, sorry.

As far as Czech portrayal of history goes, yes it is anti-German. Yes, you are right, people don't go around hunting Germans, but the particular sense of history is there.

Unfortunately, it is less anti-german with each passing decade. Listen, my libtard friend, if a culture gets too buddy-buddy with its neighbours, it ceases to exist. You as a German should know this – think of all the various german cultures in the HRE that all died a dog's death upon German unification, replaced by some overarching amalgamation. It was nothing short of a cultural genocide, and it almost took out Austrians too – had WW2 turned out differently, there'd be no Austrians anymore, only more Germans. It is important for any culture to cultivate a healthy amount of disdain for all its neighbours so as to prevent this fate, especially if said neighbours are more numerous than them. To say Czechs should be less "anti-german" is just code language for "Czechs should cease to exist".

 

[Paul_cz]

Also I don't think there's much hatred of Germans nowadays.

Yep. I don't hate germans. I just think they are fucking stupid/suicidal for what they are doing with politics, economics, nuclear power, immigration...
If anything I root for them to wake the fuck up.

 

[Hace El Oso]

In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

As a czech, I can assure you that it isn't, not least because half the country (moravial and silesia) opposed hussites (as did many in Bohemia for that matter). It doesn't even make sense historically - we do not consider Luxembourgs to be "German", but rather think of them as having fully assimilated into the Czech culture – Charles IV. is commonly considered to be the greatest Czech that has ever lived, for example. As such, there are no "German occupiers" to speak of – we were not under any occupation. Hell, the time under Charles IV. is frequently considered to be a period when Bohemia dominated all of Germany, the absolute apex of Czech influence in all of history, rivalled only perhaps by the Premyslids.

I have never heard anything but an anachronistic Czech nationalist perspective about this any time I’ve spoken to a Czech who is even cognizant(dorky) enough about history to know about it. It’s like a far less edgy version of how (some) Czechs talk about the murder and banishment of Germans after WW2.
So there’s some kind of disconnect here. If you made me guess it’s that for Czechs, the standard-issue pop-history pamphlet any average citizen of a country ends up retaining from school includes it as a basic, safe patriotism-booster.

 

[Vulpes]

Bohemia ain't free. The streets of Kuttenberg gotta be litterd with the blood of Cumans. ZIKMUND of Luxemburg aka "Red Fox" is not my king, he is a German warmongerer and probably a Maygar as well :DD. Prague and Hus, not Vienna and the Pope OK. Jesus Christ be praised!

 

[Spectral Pontifex]

That someone at some point in history interpreted something in some manner doesn't mean that narrative is present today.

Sir, in the original quote I literally say "during the Czech National Revival".

You say that as though it's a bad thing. They took on most of Europe and won – any country that scoffs at such a feat is a country of cucks.

They were a bunch of raiders, pillagers, thieves, and rapists. They destroyed many monuments - monasteries, churches, and commited not just one massacre. Their military might is commendable.

Again, if you want to admire them for brute strength and cunning, ok. I don't think that's the idea most people who admire them have, however.

Oh, so if even one of them is German, then "you have german ancestors"? I'm sorry to inform you, but using such metrics, every german has french, Dutch, Italian, Spaniard, Polish, Greek, Russian, etc. ancestors, and most of them probably also some Turks and niggers, maybe even asians... If a Šmíd had a German ancestor 600 years ago and had only intermarried with Czechs since then, I really won't consider that german ancestry to be relevant in the least, sorry.

Alright, do you sincerely believe you do not have German ancestors in the last 200 years? That's a bit delusional, especially since you say you live in Sudetenland. Literally every third person living in Bohemia used to be German. It's next to impossible to avoid partial ancestry in a land like that, all the more so since both peoples look the same, and people often spoke both languages.

Not to mention that language isn't a good way of measuring someone's ancestry. People adapt their family names all the time. One could marry Ethopian neggresses for generations and retain the original family name in the line.

The genetic makeup of what is today the Czech population has obviously been impacted by the 800 years or so of living with Germans.

Maybe if you cherrypick some regions. I happen to live in Sudetenlands, and it's quite fine. Also this whole line of argument is highly fallacious – I assume you're German, so you should know well and good that no amount of economic development can justify compromising your nation with foreigners. Or are you one of those germans "thankful" for turks who have come to "rebuild" the country after WW2?

My ancestry is varied. Since it's partially Czech, and I speak Czech, I partake in this conversation with great interest.

Some my ancestors served dutifully under the emperors of old as they did under the Führer, including the Slavic ones. For me, sensible and positive Czech nationalism is that of "Reich Nationalism" as it used to be called, or the "Austro-Slavism" of František Palacký.

We both know that the foreigners in Germany today are biologically not exactly on the same level as Germans and Czechs, so no, I do not appreciate them. I wouldn't mind a Czech in Germany just as I wouldn't mind a German in Czechia.

Unfortunately, it is less anti-german with each passing decade. Listen, my libtard friend, if a culture gets too buddy-buddy with its neighbours, it ceases to exist. You as a German should know this – think of all the various german cultures in the HRE that all died a dog's death upon German unification, replaced by some overarching amalgamation. It was nothing short of a cultural genocide, and it almost took out Austrians too – had WW2 turned out differently, there'd be no Austrians anymore, only more Germans. It is important for any culture to cultivate a healthy amount of disdain for all its neighbours so as to prevent this fate, especially if said neighbours are more numerous than them. To say Czechs should be less "anti-german" is just code language for "Czechs should cease to exist".

You are right, I believe that more cultures in Europe should be subordinated under a unified vision that actually has the power to resist the global forces of egalitarianism, democracy, and materialism. Europe would have been a prettier place had the Czechs been germanised.

What exactly is this "culture" you speak of? I have spent years living in different European countries. I have yet to find a meanigful cultural difference. Do Czechs paint Easter eggs a little bit different than Germans? Should we wage wars over whether Santa Claus or Baby Jesus brings gifts? Or over how we bake our bread?

Is your way of life not nearly identical to how people live in neighboring countries?

Nationalism is a plague not so different from African tribalism. The idea that you cannot bear to live in the same state as someone who speaks a different language as their mother tongue - not even that in the case of Yugoslavia - but is next to identical in every other way is ridiculous.

Feudal nobles were proud of their actual ancestry. Nationalism, on other hand, was the opium for the masses to feel important. Social classes are hereditary: Degenerates breed with degenerates. Do you truly feel a connection with some random dysgenic Czech living in poverty like a gypsy? Don't you have more in common with a healthy and intelligent Pole, German, Austrian?

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

KCD does delve into the politics underlying the conflict, but only in part of the ending cutscenes, which provides justification for the mission of Henry and Hans Capon but will have been forgotten by most players by this time.