Kingdom Come: Deliverance II - Henry's coming to see us on February 4th

[thr]

For copium drinkers.



Mockingly to a woke czech jorunalist: "There is not enough black characters, don't you mind, especially you, a journalist?"

"I can't comment on that, but you will be surprised in the review..."

 

[Larianshill]

The fact that they're not just uploading a straight gameplay clip at this point is kind of strange.

It is baffling, isn't it? Why not provide a second video, from multiple angles? Why no video of the dialogue with the guy? Why no leaks of anything else in the game? Supposedly, this Musa is in the second act - there's a lot to leak in the second act. Why just a short, choppy video?

 

[Lyric Suite]

Vávra has the option to do the funniest shit ever: raceswap the character to be white with a day 1 patch and reveal that he was only there to manipulate the gaming press.

No, I'm not high on copium, I do not for a nanosecond believe this to be reality, I'm quite sure they're eventually going to provide some historical explanation that's going to be theoretically possible but implausible and unsatisfactory and that's that.

But it would be really, really funny.

It's already implausible to the point of bieng fantastical.

A man making a journey like that would have been a big historical event.

Also, the fact he is a "scholar", like some Zulu like African kingdom at the far end of the Sahara would know everything about European medieval culture. We are talking about the people who build this:

Also, those people were barely literate so what kind of scholar is he gonna be? What did he study? In what language? From whom?

 

[Larianshill]

Looking at the image very closely and compared it to the webm, I can't help but wonder. The decoration on the turban look different, don't they? On one, you can see the coins hanging low. It's not present on the webm. It looks off on the webm in other regards too - which you can see despite the low quality of the image. And the ornament on his shoulders. That looks different too.

 

[Mortmal]

During the time of the Crusades, which were primarily intended to channel the aggressiveness of Christian feudal lords toward Muslim lands by offering them paradise, some common folk, who were poorly prepared, also wanted to join in and gain access to paradise. They would walk a few kilometers on foot and, upon reaching the next village they had never visited, would ask, "Is this Jerusalem?" This illustrates how implausible it would have been for a Malian to have reached there. At that time, the villagers in the next village were already considered diverse. An Ottoman or a Mamluk, a renowned physician joining the court of Hungary? Sure, why not—but apparently, they have the wrong skin color and race, which is suddenly of utmost importance, as certain mustache man once emphasized. But we know very well what this is: a kowtow to DEI ideology. That will not stop me from playing it, but only with a hefty discount. I will not pay full price, since propaganda is included, and I do not see why I should pay to be educated on how to think right.

 

[uajii]

For contrast, look at Markvart von Aulitz in the first game, or even the polish mercenary from the second game. Markvart speaks czech with great difficulty, the pole doesn't speak it at all.

They are wildly inconsistent with languages, so it doesn't mean anything. Úličtí of Úlice were possibly originally a German family, but they were based in Bohemia for at least a century and members of that family had Czech names like Hynek or Lvík. But in the game they used German version of Markvart's name and German accent, because "German = Bad" trope. Meanwhile Konrad Kyeser, who was 100% German, who didn't speak Czech, is talking without an accent in the game, because he's supposed to be one of the good ones, I guess. Henry, who in one quest doesn't understand Hungarian, can spit out Hungarian sentences with no problem in another quest. The Bauers were supposed to be a German Waldensian family, but they also spoke with no accent.

In the second game they changed it and now German characters speak English with some German words thrown in, but the Polish character speaks just Polish and Henry doesn't understand him, even though at that time Czech and Polish would be very close. It's a mess.

 

[Harthwain]

Sure, why not—but apparently, they have the wrong skin color and race, which is suddenly of utmost importance, as certain mustache man once emphasized. But we know very well what this is: a kowtow to DEI ideology.

Yeah. It reminds me of Anne Boleyn and Cleopatra. The first had olive skin, but they made her black. The second was from the line of Egyptian rulers who were... inbreed Greeks (well, Macedonians) so she likely also had olive skin, but Netflix tried to make her black "because Egypt" and it was so stupid that even the modern Egyptians got upset.

This got the the point where you can find people asking questions like "Is it true that Anne Boleyn was black?", because not everybody might know much of history (or certain characters). So this is, in effect, falsifying history. And putting in a character of wrong skin color (black instead of brown, for example) fits exactly in that. What makes this even more egregious is that Kingdom Come: Deliverance was touted as historically accurate game/series. At this point it is hard to take these claims seriously.

In the second game they changed it and now German characters speak English with some German words thrown in, but the Polish character speaks just Polish and Henry doesn't understand him, even though at that time Czech and Polish would be very close. It's a mess.

Sounds to me like they wanted to convey to the player that Henry can understand German, but not Polish. It was the same when Henry started reading Latin. You do read some Latin as part of your training to read in Kingdom Come: Deliverance 1, but after that the books are written in English. Similarly, in a lot of games the way to convey a character's nationality is done via English mixed with foreign words plus an accent, without going into full native language with English subtitles.

Ideally they could have made the Pole to speak "broken Czech", just as you have "broken Latin" and "broken Czech" when learning Latin. Feels like a missed opportunity for some fun misunderstandings.

 

[Jenkem]

 

[Jenkem]

mack is woke

 

[Vulpes]

You can see the gypsy camp he's referring to in Neon Knight's video around 8:40. As expected, the gypsy trader is actually a fence who will buy stolen horses from you or brand them for a price.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Modders can fix it, but damage is done. Jews win again.

 

[cvv]

The only potential problem with the Gypsos is not that they're there. The real concern is Warhorse turning them into some noble savages, marginalized and oppressed people who just want to live in peace with the others instead of the thieves, pickpockets and shady scammers they've been for the last 600 years.

 

[Drakortha]

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mack is woke

WorthABuy praised BG3 and rode it's news cycle. What did you expect?

 

[The Wall]

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The only potential problem with the Gypsos is not that they're there. The real concern is Warhorse turning them into some noble savages, marginalized and oppressed people who just want to live in peace with the others instead of the thieves, pickpockets and shady scammers they've been for the last 600 years.

Gypses have LITERALLY been cast out of India, yes INDIA, for being cast of thieves, murders, rapists, liars and maniacs. In every single european country, or middle eastern, from Russia to Egypt, from Ireland to Spain, everywhere they have same reputation: that of thieves, murders, rapists, liars and maniacs. It's not pit bulls, pit bulls are angel dogs! It's not my child, It's children from 50 last kindergardens! It's not Gypses, It's racism!

 

[Stavrophore]

Also why did Vavra sell warhorse? Why every slavic company that achieve some success sells their company, instead finding successor that will carry legacy and company on?

 

[ZoddGuts]

The game has been in development for 7 years. This was before Trump won and the vibe having change in the U.S. with people getting fed up with DEI shit being shove down in people's throats. If the black dude character is true. That was likely done to throw a DEI bone during development years ago. Too late to change/delete it. Just be thankful there's no pronouns and trannies in the game.

 

[thesecret1]

Too late to change/delete it.

Too late to swap one character model and change his lines? Really? They could probably manage it even right now, before the release, if they set their mind to it

 

[Ryzer]

Also why did Vavra sell warhorse? Why every slavic company that achieve some success sells their company, instead finding successor that will carry legacy and company on?

Slavs love money, bling-bling and living like an American more than anyone else.

 

[Alienman]

Also why did Vavra sell warhorse? Why every slavic company that achieve some success sells their company, instead finding successor that will carry legacy and company on?

Sounds like every owner, regardless of nationality.

 

[cvv]

Also why did Vavra sell warhorse?

He sold it twice, actually.

He co-founded it with Klima, they financed KCD from their own pocket for a year, then ran out of money and started looking for a sugar daddy.

They went around big AAA companies - Sony, Ubi, EA, Take-Two, what have you - and everybody refused them. They finally found a bizarre investor, a local coal baron, who promised to give them 20 million in exchange of 80% of their studio.

So both co-founders sold it to the coal baron and when the game made a bundle all three sold their shares to Embracer.

P.S. - details are off, mistakes were made, shit was misremembered, I'm old leave me alone. Check Paul_cz correction.

 

[Swen]

Also why did Vavra sell warhorse? Why every slavic company that achieve some success sells their company, instead finding successor that will carry legacy and company on?

Yup, don't understand this short term thinking.

 

[Stavrophore]

Also why did Vavra sell warhorse?

He sold it twice, actually.

He co-founded it with Klima, they financed KCD from their own pocket for a year, then ran out of money and started looking for a sugar daddy.

They went around big AAA companies - Sony, Ubi, EA, Take-Two, what have you - and everybody refused them. They finally found a bizarre investor, a local coal baron, who promised to give them 20 million in exchange of 80% of their studio.

So both co-founders sold it to the coal baron and when the game made a bundle all three sold their shares to Embracer.

Game was rigged from the start, without protectionism you can't win against western capital - sell or be killed if you resist. This is why there is no sovereignity without socialism.

 

[Paul_cz]

He sold it twice, actually.

He co-founded it with Klima, they financed KCD from their own pocket for a year, then ran out of money and started looking for a sugar daddy.

They went around big AAA companies - Sony, Ubi, EA, Take-Two, what have you - and everybody refused them. They finally found a bizarre investor, a local coal baron, who promised to give them 20 million in exchange of 80% of their studio.

So both co-founders sold it to the coal baron and when the game made a bundle all three sold their shares to Embracer.

Not completely accurate.

Vávra left 2K Czech in 2009, got in contact with Klíma, they went around looking for investor for 2 years while living off savings (and Vávra wrote reviews for games.cz back then, gave New Vegas a 9, to make some money). When the savings were almost wiped out, by random chance they got put into contact with Bakala ("the coal baron") who finally gave them money to develop the prototype in exchange for majority stake (around 75%) in the newly founded company.

So they founded Warhorse, hired about 15 people and made the prototype in about 2 years, and when they had it, then they went on the pitching tour to convince publishers to fund the development of the full game. That did not pan out so they had to go kickstarter route, with Bakala funding pretty much the entire game's budget (only later Deep Silver got involved, but they only financed some marketing).
Then the game was successful, Deep Silver (owned by Embracer) offered to buy the studio, which even with minority stake would make Vávra and Klíma dollar milionaires and of course for Bakala it was overall very profitable investment.

But basically the point is that Vávra and Klíma never owned Warhorse in the first place, the moment it was founded Bakala already owned majority stake.

 

[V17]

Also why did Vavra sell warhorse? Why every slavic company that achieve some success sells their company, instead finding successor that will carry legacy and company on?

Yup, don't understand this short term thinking.

Imo it's firstly the fact that he did not fully own Warhose pretty much from the start and that was inevitable because you can't afford to make a large open world RPG without a large investment, plus he probably realized that he doesn't exactly have a track record of making repeated hits in a short time to create cash flow like Valve (on the contrary, this is going to be the third game he's finished in the last 25 years), where it was obvious that keeping the company in their private ownership was a good financial *and* artistic decision, even before the existence of Steam.

And secondly simply being offered literal fuck you money. I'm not going to pretend to know what decision I'd make if faced with the option of never having to care about money again and being endlessly ready for any problem thrown at me that can be solved with large enough wads of cash, which is not all but most of them.

 

[cvv]

I'm not going to pretend to know what decision I'd make if faced with the option of never having to care about money again

I'm not going to pretend either, I know that very well - I'd take the money and laugh all the way to the bank.

It's easy to be principled and righteous when you're broke, without any money temptations in sight.