Kingdom Come: Deliverance II Thread

[NecroLord]

Is it just me or does the voice actor of Jan Zizka just has no charisma and doesn't really stand out?
Remember that this is Jan Zizka, a great military leader and czech national hero.
Vavra screwed up the casting, many of the actors just sound so bland.
I liked Dry Devil though.
Also that polish guy and Janosh.
Godwin is also alright.
Brabant and his french accent is so annoying.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Saint_Proverbius Twiglard

Infinitron is censoring simple, honest, innocent question "Why?". Why is why so dangerous to be asked? It was asked in effort to better understand time period and happenings in related quests in Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and purpose was higher game immersion and better role playing. Is game-immersion and role playing banned on RPG Codex?

This was that BANNED Why? on RPG Codex

> gd shit
I enjoy your rantings, but not everyone does.

In my opinion, you'd get better feedback even from your (((detractors))) if you posted the rantings that are funny or amusing, but left out angry screeds such as that post, or rantings about Jews that aren't particularly insightful or original, and have a bad signal-to-noise ratio.

Maybe making an alt account for posting lesser-quality rantings could work for you?

I think Infinitron's mostly tired of having to deal with it on a regular basis. If your post quality increases somewhat, you'll ironically be able to put more shit below the radar when you really want to.

Also you should register on Rusty's site in order to not lose contact with Codex people in case you get permabanned here.

Who gives a fuck.

maybe he should stop acting like a turbo autist 'ard man who attempts to micromanage a group of middle aged fellas. He invites it upon himself half of the time by pissing up peoples backs.

This game should be the final nail in the coffin for Unreal Engine, or at least in regards to its use in open world and dynamic games. Thats not happening tho, unfortunately.

Will CryEngine be used for heavy duty rpgs?
Don't think so.
I think there are limits to doing oldschool turn based combat and scenarios.

They teach UE in colleges now, which is prolly where a lot of these useless game devs get recruited from. They don't know how to code, they probably haven't used map editors.

 

[The Wall]

Saint_Proverbius Twiglard

Infinitron is censoring simple, honest, innocent question "Why?". Why is why so dangerous to be asked? It was asked in effort to better understand time period and happenings in related quests in Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and purpose was higher game immersion and better role playing. Is game-immersion and role playing banned on RPG Codex?

This was that BANNED Why? on RPG Codex

> gd shit
I enjoy your rantings, but not everyone does.

In my opinion, you'd get better feedback even from your (((detractors))) if you posted the rantings that are funny or amusing, but left out angry screeds such as that post, or rantings about Jews that aren't particularly insightful or original, and have a bad signal-to-noise ratio.

Maybe making an alt account for posting lesser-quality rantings could work for you?

I think Infinitron's mostly tired of having to deal with it on a regular basis. If your post quality increases somewhat, you'll ironically be able to put more shit below the radar when you really want to.

Also you should register on Rusty's site in order to not lose contact with Codex people in case you get permabanned here.

Completely agree with everything. Increasing quality of my (shit)posting is at heart of my future strategy. Part of it is swapping Musa with Mister T. Kingdom Come 2 - MISTER T MOD

 

[The Wall]

I categorize KCD2 as PLAYABLE

I'm part Jewish

It's so over Codexbros.

Don't worry, I'm only let's see...1/2, 1/4, 1/8th. 1/8th, more likely 1/16th Infinitron's cousin. My great-grandfather had Jewish mother. I doubt she was from Infinitron's tribe too. Serbs are anyway 13th lost Jewish tribe, didn't you know

I never profited in my life because of it. To the contrary. I have super smell for Jewish tricks and they know I know. I'm a. . .

 

[The Wall]

Is it just me or does the voice actor of Jan Zizka just has no charisma and doesn't really stand out?
Remember that this is Jan Zizka, a great military leader and czech national hero.
Vavra screwed up the casting, many of the actors just sound so bland.
I liked Dry Devil though.
Also that polish guy and Janosh.
Godwin is also alright.
Brabant and his french accent is so annoying.

Zizka sounds cucked. Not terrible cast, but could be better. Overall not bad voice casting

Churches should be open

Just watched an interview with Tobi today (his czech is ridiculously good considering he is german, wtf) where he was asked about this. It was a matter of manpower. They had to cut lot of stuff, not just church interiors but stuff like fishing, bard playing, better horse combat etc because they wanted to release the game in as polished state as humanly possible and it is better to have less stuff that is more polished than more stuff that's broken and buggy.

Could you throw us here a link to that interview? Wanna find out what all ended up cut from the game. Better mounted combat (jousting) sounds fun

 

[Dark Souls II]

My great-grandfather had Jewish mother.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

In the Middle Ages people hated Joos for three main reasons, all of them p. obvious.

Jews were often employed as tax collectors, since they didn't give a fuck about gentile complaining. They would actually pay the king up front for the right to tax, then they got to keep whatever they collected.

When the people had enough and complained to the king, he would declare a tax holiday and end the collection. But the king already got paid, so he wasn't actually giving up anything, he was just preventing the jews from getting any more money. This directed all the hatred about taxes onto the jews, while the king appeared benevolent and generous. And if the jews got really mad about the king's debts, he just whipped up a good old pogrom to get rid of them.

Another funny example--Jews would hire gentile servants because they could work on the sabbath. Well-meaning christian maids would then baptise the jewish children in order to 'save' them. Under the law, once baptized, you're christian forever, so the jewish kids would get taken away. Whoops! Of course jews did something similar in forcing their servants to get circumcised.

It was a very love-hate relationship.

Jews were, in general, forbidden from owning land. This form of "discrimination" actually pushed them towards forms of employment which were higher up the added value chain, like credit issuing (masked as "money exchange" to circumvent the usury), and trade. So, it was "Get Rich or Die Trying" because you can't own a farm and just be an average guy.

Not exactly. While they were variously restricted in settling, it is widely documented for thousands of years that jews just didn't want to do basic work. They always gravitated to trading and selling and paper pushing jobs, and avoided farming and mining whenever possible.

This is why even now hollywood will make jokes about jews being poor at physical labor.

 

[Zariusz]

Can any local Pepiks tell me how generally czech dub looks compared to english one? Since fandub for KCD1 was apparently meme tier i wonder how things look now.

 

[cvv]

Can any local Pepiks tell me how generally czech dub looks compared to english one? Since fandub for KCD1 was apparently meme tier i wonder how things look now.

It's much better than KCD1 but still way, way below the standard of the English VO.

 

[Zariusz]

Can any local Pepiks tell me how generally czech dub looks compared to english one? Since fandub for KCD1 was apparently meme tier i wonder how things look now.

It's much better than KCD1 but still way, way below the standard of the English VO.

And how main cast compares? So far i think czech Katherine sounds somewhat more pleasant compared to english one.

 

[cvv]

Can any local Pepiks tell me how generally czech dub looks compared to english one? Since fandub for KCD1 was apparently meme tier i wonder how things look now.

It's much better than KCD1 but still way, way below the standard of the English VO.

And how main cast compares? So far i think czech Katherine sounds somewhat more pleasant compared to english one.

Both sound p. unpleasant to me idk.

Czech Henry is p. good, much more of a neutral, common Joe Schmoe than the English VO which fits the character perfectly, then again Tom McKay is a much better actor. Czech Capon is terrible.

But the highlight are some of the side NPCs like Semin, Bergow, Bocek or Sigismund that are voiced (and "faced") by some of the most famous Czech A-listers. And THE No.1 highlight is Janosh Uher, voiced by an amazing Slovakian actor (he actually speaks Slovak in the Czech dub). Him and the writing cause me piss my pants with laughter everytime he opens his mouth.

 

[cvv]

Also just watched a video where two actual Kuttenberg historians discuss the authenticity. TLDR is game is very true to reality, albeit the game city is shrunk, the actual medieval Kuttenberg was at least twice as large. Oh the actual medieval houses were probably not as tall and not as spacious.

As for the Jewish ghetto that supposedly wasn't there according to the game Codex - sources are sparse but Jews undoubtedly lived in Kuttenberg and they definitely did have some sort of habitation there. Available sources confirm there was at the very least a Jewish school, something called a Jewish gate (most likely an entrance to the quarter) and something called "The House of Israelites". The overwhelming conclusion is - high probability of Jewish ghetto actually existing in 1403.

So that's that discussion out of the way.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

That habibi is about to kill you graphic card.

 

[Quillon]

Is it just me or does the voice actor of Jan Zizka just has no charisma and doesn't really stand out?
Remember that this is Jan Zizka, a great military leader and czech national hero.
Vavra screwed up the casting, many of the actors just sound so bland.
I liked Dry Devil though.
Also that polish guy and Janosh.
Godwin is also alright.
Brabant and his french accent is so annoying.

What bugged me with VO was that KCD1 VAs keep showing up as different characters, especially Bernard & Robard and sometimes Fritz.

 

[Quillon]

this isn't worth the effort, resource not well spent for a 100+ hours RPG however they say it cost them less than it does for other AAA studious

its a strange passion to shove a movie into a game designed to be as free-form as possible. makes much more sense for action games

people criticize bethesda games for a thousand different reasons but not having high quality complex cinematics is not one of them

 

[ArcaneShifter]

It's happening!

Also a reminder that nexus mods is a pozzed site that has a policy of not allowing mods that "reduce diversity".

Here's a link to the mod from degmods.com

At least these guys are keeping all mods on their website, regardless which political side they are aligning with (obviously not retarded far left)

This mod is only a cosmetic change. It does not alter any voice lines or change the accent in any way.
I could try changing his accent to a European one using an AI tool, but it would be a big undertaking as there are numerous dialog files for musa, and there aren't any good free voice changer tools with convincing voices.

Perhaps the people who made the AI voice change mods for certain BG 3 characters will handle this.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I am so glad that this certain mod pack exists for BG3.

 

[NecroLord]

this isn't worth the effort, resource not well spent for a 100+ hours RPG however they say it cost them less than it does for other AAA studious

its a strange passion to shove a movie into a game designed to be as free-form as possible. makes much more sense for action games

people criticize bethesda games for a thousand different reasons but not having high quality complex cinematics is not one of them

More gameplay.
Less fucking cutscenes.
Simple as.

 

[dbx]

this isn't worth the effort, resource not well spent for a 100+ hours RPG however they say it cost them less than it does for other AAA studious

its a strange passion to shove a movie into a game designed to be as free-form as possible. makes much more sense for action games

people criticize bethesda games for a thousand different reasons but not having high quality complex cinematics is not one of them

Should have spent some of that time to, you know, maybe model an actual church in a game set in medieval bohemia?
If I wanted to watch 6 hours of cutscenes I'd watch some retarded boring slav artsy movie.

 

[NecroLord]

this isn't worth the effort, resource not well spent for a 100+ hours RPG however they say it cost them less than it does for other AAA studious

its a strange passion to shove a movie into a game designed to be as free-form as possible. makes much more sense for action games

people criticize bethesda games for a thousand different reasons but not having high quality complex cinematics is not one of them

Should have spent some of that time to, you know, maybe model an actual church in a game set in medieval bohemia?
If I wanted to watch 6 hours of cutscenes I'd watch some retarded boring slav artsy movie.

Church interiors?
Better swordplay and combat?

Best we can do is Malian negro scholar and fictitious pogrom.

 

[processdaemon]

Just past the part where you kill Istvan and I feel like the game is losing steam a little bit. I think part of that is a deliberate narrative choice since they explicitly hammered home the 'revenge is hollow' take quite a few times and making you feel a bit deflated straight after would serve that angle but I also think that the Istvan hook was my strongest motivator and while I still like the setting and want to pursue side quests (and am also interested in seeing how Erik reacts) I'm definitely less invested in progressing the main quest now.

I don't think that that's because the story is bad, but for me the sheer number of new characters introduced at every plot beat dilutes the overall impact each of them has on the story individually and makes me care less when I have to go pursue something related to them, although I could see how it's probably worth it for people motivated by the historical references rather than character arcs.

Is it just me or does the voice actor of Jan Zizka just has no charisma and doesn't really stand out?
Remember that this is Jan Zizka, a great military leader and czech national hero.
Vavra screwed up the casting, many of the actors just sound so bland.
I liked Dry Devil though.
Also that polish guy and Janosh.
Godwin is also alright.
Brabant and his french accent is so annoying.

Is this for the English VA? Agreed that he is a bit boring, but outside the core characters the VA is so patchy in this game that I'm just happy they got someone who isn't reading the script like it's a series of random noises rather than words with meanings that should be reflected in your tone. Some of the pronunciations are annoying me too, I'm not Czech and I know nothing about how place and family names should be pronounced but I'm pretty sure that von Bergow variously being pronounced 'von Ber-gau', 'von Ber-gov' and 'von Ber-go' in the same conversation can't all be right.

 

[NecroLord]

Just past the part where you kill Istvan and I feel like the game is losing steam a little bit. I think part of that is a deliberate narrative choice since they explicitly hammered home the 'revenge is hollow' take quite a few times and making you feel a bit deflated straight after would serve that angle but I also think that the Istvan hook was my strongest motivator and while I still like the setting and want to pursue side quests (and am also interested in seeing how Erik reacts) I'm definitely less invested in progressing the main quest now.

I don't think that that's because the story is bad, but for me the sheer number of new characters introduced at every plot beat dilutes the overall impact each of them has on the story individually and makes me care less when I have to go pursue something related to them, although I could see how it's probably worth it for people motivated by the historical references rather than character arcs.

Is it just me or does the voice actor of Jan Zizka just has no charisma and doesn't really stand out?
Remember that this is Jan Zizka, a great military leader and czech national hero.
Vavra screwed up the casting, many of the actors just sound so bland.
I liked Dry Devil though.
Also that polish guy and Janosh.
Godwin is also alright.
Brabant and his french accent is so annoying.

Is this for the English VA? Agreed that he is a bit boring, but outside the core characters the VA is so patchy in this game that I'm just happy they got someone who isn't reading the script like it's a series of random noises rather than words with meanings that should be reflected in your tone. Some of the pronunciations are annoying me too, I'm not Czech and I know nothing about how place and family names should be pronounced but I'm pretty sure that von Bergow variously being pronounced 'von Ber-gau', 'von Ber-gov' and 'von Ber-go' in the same conversation can't all be right.

There is also the "War is a nasty business" leitmotif, words which are repeated by numerous characters throughout the game.
This aspect is so underdeveloped and unexplored unfortunately.
Game just makes one root for the "bad guys" Sigismund, von Bergow and Markvart von Aulitz. Aulitz and Sigismund get very little screentime, but are badasses when they appear.
They have drive and conviction, a certain dignity and calculated ruthlessness.

Jan Zizka and his merry band of brigands (including you, Henry) seems like a bunch of Reddit tier fanfiction characters...
Again, reminder that Zizka was a great military leader, but the english voice actor sounds so bland and boring and Zizka himself fails to stand out in the game.

 

[jungl]

Problem is its too much of a movie game with all the cutscenes and not enough rpg. After 20 hours I want the game to be over bored of the rpg parts of the game really easy to find op armor and get stats near 20 where you forget they exist. Thing is the story is not interesting. The exploration is neat for a little while but ultimately lost interest its way too grounded in reality. I can drive to 2000 population farming towns and run around like henry in real life in forests, hill and farms.

 

[Stavrophore]

Just past the part where you kill Istvan and I feel like the game is losing steam a little bit

Game will loose a steam steadily, then spike the interest with certain heist mission and then crush and dissapoint you with appearance of malian nigger

Spoiler

saving your ass.

 

[Ascetic]

lecturing the protagonist of the plight of the jewish people

I'm baffled by this complaint, do you imagine you can have Jewish NPCs in a game like that who DON'T mention at all the pogroms and persecution? When a decade earlier from the game's setting there was one of the largest pogroms in the medieval history, the entire Jewish ghetto in Prague wiped out, thousands of people massacred in one night? And that was just the most famous example among a mountain of other, smaller but constant ones, all over Bohemia, all over the HRE, all over medieval Europe?

It'd be like having a historically authentic game from the 1840s American South with no niggers on cotton fields.

Or a game about the Spartacus uprising where Spartacus' men don't mention even once that they're slaves and that Romans treated them poorly.

Or a game set on the RPG Codex where people don't make fun of SJWs.

What kind of bizarre notion is that? I'd expect this from a Kwan or some other non-European but aren't you Swedish? Has the Nordic education failed you with regard to the Joos in Middle Ages?

Of course the made-up Jew in the made-up synagogue in the made-up Jewish quarter is going to talk about made-up pogroms. It's called authenticity, chuds.

 

[cvv]

Of course the made-up Jew in the made-up synagogue in the made-up Jewish quarter is going to talk about made-up pogroms. It's called authenticity, chuds.

Just for you, because I care about your education and mental well-being.

Also just watched a video where two actual Kuttenberg historians discuss the authenticity. TLDR is game is very true to reality, albeit the game city is shrunk, the actual medieval Kuttenberg was at least twice as large. Oh the actual medieval houses were probably not as tall and not as spacious.

As for the Jewish ghetto that supposedly wasn't there according to the game Codex - sources are sparse but Jews undoubtedly lived in Kuttenberg and they definitely did have some sort of habitation there. Available sources confirm there was at the very least a Jewish school, something called a Jewish gate (most likely an entrance to the quarter) and something called "The House of Israelites". The overwhelming conclusion is - high probability of Jewish ghetto actually existing in 1403.

So that's that discussion out of the way.