KickStarter Kingdom Come: Deliverance Pre-Release Thread [RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Paul_cz]

Well, companies that make good games don't last long. Anyway, we are getting 1-person CRPG, even if they bankrupt after release it's still an event worth celebration.

KCD is an arpg.

Is a game that can be finished with only killing one person ARPG? I would assume that action is an intrinsic part of ARPG.
I would characterize KCD more like a mix between Immersive Sim and RPG.

 

[Lahey]

The action in arpg just refers to combat type, not the frequency of it. NV could be completed without killing anyone too.

I agree that immersive sim is a better descriptor than arpg for KCD.

 

[Jenkem]

This game's visuals got a serious downgrade.

I can't help but feel this is a disaster waiting to happen. I like Vavra and Mafia is one of my fav games but I just can't get rid of this bad feeling I have about this game. Story sounds dull, the combat system looks clunky as fuck, the dialogue animations are terrible, the voice acting is serviceable... nothing really seems interesting about it other than riding a horse through 1403 Bohemia.

I hope I'm wrong though.

Is there any footage of the actual PC version of the game, not the beta?

 

[Multidirectional]

Visuals in videos sure don't quite look as good as they do in screenshots on steam page.

Spoiler

Main requirement for me in visuals is that they wouldn't be distracting, meaning I mostly want good AA that prevents shimmering, decent draw distance and shadow distance/transitions.

 

[unfairlight]

So for people who played this shit on EA/Beta or whatever: How was the performance on PC? I'm worried my toaster might now handle this

The one a year or two ago? I'm pretty certain it ran like total ass back then but a lot has changed, that beta was basically just a vertical slice. I hope the game is good and does great because I love Daniel Vavra, but it's gameplay might be a bit weak.

 

[SlamDunk]

The one a year or two ago?

The backer Beta will be two years old in March.

 

[cvv]

It wont sell

Yep, that's almost certain. They made an intentionally niche game.

Then again intentionally niche games can become surprising cults. Witcher 1 or Demon's Souls were complete flops on release. Both spawned some of the most influential and popular RPG series of all times.

Then again a lot of games were complete flops and later spawned jackshit. So let's wait and see.

 

[fantadomat]

It wont sell, that much has been obvious since day #1.

You never know with such things,but i to am pessimistic. Hope that they go the way of the witcher and sell enough to make second game and build up a fan base.

Says the guy who brags about pirating everything.

And if it is worth a shit and have the money i buy it.

 

[cvv]

That PoE almost ruined your street cred bro but luckily Elex tipped the scales.

 

[Paul_cz]

It wont sell

Yep, that's almost certain. They made an intentionally niche game.

Then again intentionally niche games can become surprising cults. Witcher 1 or Demon's Souls were complete flops on release. Both spawned some of the most influential and popular RPG series of all times.

Then again a lot of games were complete flops and later spawned jackshit. So let's wait and see.

Witcher 1 was not a flop, it sold 600,000 copies in first three months, before major discounts. That was a huge fucking success that allowed them to splurge not just on Witcher 2 on new engine but also the console port, which then almost bankrupted them.

If KCD sells 600,000 copies in three months, I think Warhorse would survive.

And I disagree with the notion that KCD is some "niche" game that should not sell. I mean, it is a first person open world RPG with great graphics. Pretty much the definition of mass market appealing game.

What makes it "niche" (and niche is wrong word, I would say unique) is the historical setting and focus on realism. Which admittedly might limit its appeal among the "love fantasy, hate everything else" types, but who cares.

The bigger problem is lack of marketing.

 

[cvv]

Witcher 1 was not a flop, it sold 600,000 copies in first three months, before major discounts.

Where is this number from? I've always thought W1 was a flop on launch and they only made a bundle with the Director's Cut.

 

[Paul_cz]

Witcher 1 was not a flop, it sold 600,000 copies in first three months, before major discounts.

Where is this number from? I've always thought W1 was a flop on launch and they only made a bundle with the Director's Cut.

their website

https://forums.cdprojektred.com/for.../25575-the-witcher-–-over-600-000-copies-sold

 

[cvv]

I stand corrected then.

Also Warhorse certainly didn't intend to make a low-selling game. But not giving players an escapist, powerfantasy type experience and replacing the traditional ancient evil plot with a complex story about Czech-German relations in the 15th century is extremely risky sales-wise. Still, as a supporter from the get go I wish them the best of success ofc.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

And if it is worth a shit and have the money i buy it.

PoE and PST is not worth a shit.
No Ultima Underworld or Star Trail.
Gothic 3 instead of Gothic 1.
And Witcher 3 GOTY instead of Deus Ex GOTY.

 

[fantadomat]

That PoE almost ruined your street cred bro but luckily Elex tipped the scales.

Honestly PoE is getting a lot of shit but the world is far better with it in. I do think we should support rpg devs unless their games are utter shit. The game is not some great masterpiece,but it is a game that i don't regret buying. I would ratter have an arcanum level of games but we got this,far better than the drought that was a decade ago. Thanks to PoE we do have a lot of good/decent rpgs. They did revitalised the rpg even if the game is not great.

 

[Haba]

And I disagree with the notion that KCD is some "niche" game that should not sell. I mean, it is a first person open world RPG with great graphics. Pretty much the definition of mass market appealing game.

Mass "market appeal" is more complicated than that.

- non-fantasy setting
- low* magic
- no dragons or romances
- perceived as difficult to approach

Witcher for example had a very strong local market in Poland. Does similar one exist for this one in the Czech Republic?

An outlier is always a possibility, but you have to agree that the odds are stacked against Warhorse. From a business perspective, this is a high risk, low return kind of a project. Since it is kind of an untapped potential, there is the slim chance that suddenly it will sell tons of copies (see Legend of Grimrock).

*) boozemancy excluded

 

[MI.Tex]

It wont sell, that much has been obvious since day #1.

You never know with such things,but i to am pessimistic. Hope that they go the way of the witcher and sell enough to make second game and build up a fan base.

Says the guy who brags about pirating everything.

And if it is worth a shit and have the money i buy it.

No Morrowind? 0/10 shit list

 

[Paul_cz]

And I disagree with the notion that KCD is some "niche" game that should not sell. I mean, it is a first person open world RPG with great graphics. Pretty much the definition of mass market appealing game.

Mass "market appeal" is more complicated than that.

- non-fantasy setting
- low* magic
- no dragons or romances
- perceived as difficult to approach

Witcher for example had a very strong local market in Poland. Does similar one exist for this one in the Czech Republic?

An outlier is always a possibility, but you have to agree that the odds are stacked against Warhorse. From a business perspective, this is a high risk, low return kind of a project. Since it is kind of an untapped potential, there is the slim chance that suddenly it will sell tons of copies (see Legend of Grimrock).

*) boozemancy excluded

There is actually a possible romance in KCD

I don't know. On one hand, yes, fantasy and dragons and shit are mass market, but I still think if KCD was made by someone like, I dunno, Blizzard or Rockstar or whatever, with corresponding marketing budget, it would be hyperhyped despite its historical setting and lack of fantasy.

 

[Dexter]

I think it'll have a large market in the countries that Gothic and The Witcher usually sell in (Germany, Poland, Czechia for Home Advantage, maybe Eastern Europe/Russia since they love historical stuff like Cossacks), enough to make them back the development budget and some profit. Whether it becomes a "runaway success" internationally or gets big attention in the US and other markets and on consoles is doubtful.

 

[Jarmaro]

Honestly PoE is getting a lot of shit but the world is far better with it in.

Care to elaborate? World gained nothing by having PoE, it isn't good enough to be remembered, it's not good for what it is and isn't revolutionary in any regard.

 

[HoboForEternity]

PoE is good for what it is.

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

Honestly PoE is getting a lot of shit but the world is far better with it in.

Care to elaborate? World gained nothing by having PoE, it isn't good enough to be remembered, it's not good for what it is and isn't revolutionary in any regard.

It was an isometric CRPG that turned a (big) profit. A real RPG that’s commercially viable is a net positive.

Anyone who likes the genre should be glad Pillars exist even if they hate the game itself.

 

[titus]

Bought it. Hopefully the potatoes will deliver.

 

[SymbolicFrank]

I stand corrected then.

Also Warhorse certainly didn't intend to make a low-selling game. But not giving players an escapist, powerfantasy type experience and replacing the traditional ancient evil plot with a complex story about Czech-German relations in the 15th century is extremely risky sales-wise. Still, as a supporter from the get go I wish them the best of success ofc.

Two words: The Sims

 

[Deadass]

i backed this game 4 years ago if it turns out to be shit i'll kill the codex