I think her build up and backstory connection to the exile is pretty well done. She has an interesting inner conflict between her own morality and institutional power in a way Kreia doesn't. Atris is like the inverse of the exile, too invested in the structures of the Jedi around her. It feels like its leading up to something big, so it's the payoff that doesn't work for me.
She deeply loved the Exile (if male) and wanted to join him in the Mandalorian Wars.
Easier to obey the Council is what I mean when I said too invested in the Jedi. My problem is it doesn't do anything with that conflict besides make her look petty, which is a waste because it's pretty cool setup. In a Star Wars game with lots of gray areas it feels underwhelming to say a Jedi who found fault with the organization of the council because of it's inability to act in helping people would turn Sith.
The problem there was that Atris was meant to replace Kreia as Darth Traya depending on your playthrough, but the game was rushed out for a Christmas release and Lucas Arts didn't permit them to finish the game post-release. Even with the Restored Content Mod, there is a lot of planned content, especially relating to Atris, that went unfinished.Atris is still a bitch. Always was.
(there was a cool fight in here where Atton's fighting spirit activated after he'd fallen to the pink skinned lady, and he shot her in the back for huge sneak attack damage. Was very cool.)
Been playing with TSLRCM installed as a female Jedi Consular on difficult who dumped Strength and the beginning was quite fun. Atton and female General were using modified field pistols made while escaping Peragus. Had to use force powers and positioning a lot. Usually I just make a big strength bro who kills everything and fugs handmaiden (she's so pure).
Story feels more coherent playing a female. I will miss Handmaiden, but Atris being a jilted lover fit awkwardly and moments like Atton fearing the General's judgment about his past makes more sense.
Also, Atton is always right about everything. Kreia was a Sith witch messing with everyone's head all the time and Disciple was a spy.
A lot of her issues make sense if your character is male.
Atris just seemed like an unnecessary appendage to the story for me, almost another Kreia when we already have a Kreia.
I agree with notpl in that I'm of the camp that thinks Avellone is a bit overrated (though I probably don't hate him as much as notpl evidently does) and the highfalutin' aspects of KOTOR 2 that everyone lauds are almost its weakest point, where to me the strong suit of KOTOR 2 is that the levels are pretty well designed and the story well told (up until the point it seems that they lost steam). It's actually a solid game up to that point, with the dialogue mostly being interesting enough to have a wee think about now and then. By contrast, KOTOR has a fair number of rambling sections quite early on, where you're just yomping back and forth across maps; KOTOR 2 is more action-packed.
I don't think "the Star Wars universe" ever had any problem with morally grey characters, even in Force terms. Han Solo was one, Lando Calrissian another. IIRC the EU had a fair amount of exploration of the grey Jedi, and even KOTOR had Jolee Bindu ferchrissakes.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's pure nonsensical amoral nihilism and "anti-God" vitriol placed in a fictional world that's at its core a morality tale, which only makes it more jarring and stupid for a Star Wars fan like me.
No, she's the villain, and she's the villain from the very start.
You're mixing up the author with the fictional villain.
Being able to convince Darth Traya to change her ways would be as ridiculous as Luke convincing the Emperor to stop being an evil asshole.
Kreia referred to a Free Will which is independent from the Force itself.
It's not. It's just a viewpoint, the player is free to agree or disagree with her, the whole Influence system is built around it. You can constantly mock her and tell her to stuff her teachings.
It strongly suggests that the writer does not share her worldview, otherwise she'd probably be the hero.
The Jedi are your former bosses, and old. They're set in their ways. The Sith have been corrupted down to basically living ideas, they're also dead set in their ways.
Don't think so.
This is my issue with it.
Why?
The game would benefit from better enemy combat AI.
