Lets finally settle the age old question: Is Jagged Alliance 2 an RPG?

[octavius]

The German cover of Jagged Alliance 2 called itself "Ein Strategiespiel mit Rollenspiel-Elementen", a strategy game with RPG elements; though more properly, it should be called a tactics game rather than strategy.

It identifies itself as a strategy game. To claim it is something else would obviously be Hate Speech.

 

[JarlFrank]

The German cover of Jagged Alliance 2 called itself "Ein Strategiespiel mit Rollenspiel-Elementen", a strategy game with RPG elements; though more properly, it should be called a tactics game rather than strategy.

It identifies itself as a strategy game. To claim it is something else would obviously be Hate Speech.

With RPG elements.

So it's clearly genderfluid.

 

[octavius]

The German cover of Jagged Alliance 2 called itself "Ein Strategiespiel mit Rollenspiel-Elementen", a strategy game with RPG elements; though more properly, it should be called a tactics game rather than strategy.

It identifies itself as a strategy game. To claim it is something else would obviously be Hate Speech.

With RPG elements.

So it's clearly genderfluid.

You mean genrefluid?

 

[fantadomat]

The German cover of Jagged Alliance 2 called itself "Ein Strategiespiel mit Rollenspiel-Elementen", a strategy game with RPG elements; though more properly, it should be called a tactics game rather than strategy.

It identifies itself as a strategy game. To claim it is something else would obviously be Hate Speech.

With RPG elements.

So it's clearly genderfluid.

But it is less of an rpg than the nu asscreed

 

[JarlFrank]

The German cover of Jagged Alliance 2 called itself "Ein Strategiespiel mit Rollenspiel-Elementen", a strategy game with RPG elements; though more properly, it should be called a tactics game rather than strategy.

It identifies itself as a strategy game. To claim it is something else would obviously be Hate Speech.

With RPG elements.

So it's clearly genderfluid.

You mean genrefluid?

No, it's so good it makes me leak gender fluid when I play it

 

[fantadomat]

The German cover of Jagged Alliance 2 called itself "Ein Strategiespiel mit Rollenspiel-Elementen", a strategy game with RPG elements; though more properly, it should be called a tactics game rather than strategy.

It identifies itself as a strategy game. To claim it is something else would obviously be Hate Speech.

With RPG elements.

So it's clearly genderfluid.

You mean genrefluid?

No, it's so good it makes me leak gender fluid when I play it

You are a man,if you have leaking fluids while playing it,you should see a doctor. Chances are high that you have ass cancer in some variation.

 

[Citizen]

Genre definition is not binary guys, no such thing as an RPG or non-RPG. It's a SPECTRUM

 

[fantadomat]

Genre definition is not binary guys, no such thing as an RPG or non-RPG. It's a SPECTRUM

Clearly it is a social construct!

 

[Farewell into the night]

All I know it is a masterpiece.

 

[Lord_Potato]

When Lilura finally visits this thread, you'll all be going to the iggy bin.

 

[HiddenX]

Jagged Alliance 2 is an CRPG. (Quests, party building, main character, exploring, equipment, choices with consequences - everything is there).
On top it features tactical combat and a strategy layer by conquering cities and training militia.

Sirtech forever!

 

[Bibbimbop]

RPG denialism is disgusting. I feel like the world would be a better place if the people who practice denialism against JA2 would all be gassed and then incinerated.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Back when I lurked/just joined Mount & Blade-threads were in General Gaming, but not any longer.
Could someone enlighten me, why?

 

[Kitchen Utensil]

The German cover of Jagged Alliance 2 called itself "Ein Strategiespiel mit Rollenspiel-Elementen", a strategy game with RPG elements; though more properly, it should be called a tactics game rather than strategy.

The English box says "Roleplaying Strategy" rather than "Strategy with Roleplaying Elements". On that basis, I put Jagged Alliance 2 threads in GRPG.

Taking language differences into account, the two are pretty much the same: Strategy with role-playing elements—Rollenspiel-Strategie. Both pronounce strategy, and complement it with role-playing (-elements). And guess what, that's pretty much what playing it feels like.

 

[waken]

The only halfway convincing argument I've heard for saying JA2 is not an RPG is "it's too good". I can accept that

We had a comprehensive argument over the RPG-ness of JA2 a little while ago. The outcome was: people who tend to play with a stable party perceive it as an RPG, people who constantly rotate their squad usually don't.

That's a pretty good answer, but I would also add that it matters if you roll a custom merc and treat him as your "main PC". You could use a stable party in Enemy Unknown too, but imo that doesn't increase the RPG-ness of it.

 

[Cleric of Asmodeus]

In an alternate dimension games like JA2 are common and people are arguing whether BG1 is a Strategenspiel or not

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

The only halfway convincing argument I've heard for saying JA2 is not an RPG is "it's too good". I can accept that

We had a comprehensive argument over the RPG-ness of JA2 a little while ago. The outcome was: people who tend to play with a stable party perceive it as an RPG, people who constantly rotate their squad usually don't.

That's a pretty good answer, but I would also add that it matters if you roll a custom merc and treat him as your "main PC". You could use a stable party in Enemy Unknown too, but imo that doesn't increase the RPG-ness of it.

When you compare JA2 to UFO; you must remember that latter completely lacks non-combat exploration, character driven interactions & dialogues and also romances, unless you're one of those weirdoes that count Chryssallid impregnation as such.

 

[Cleric of Asmodeus]

I actually get strong exploration feels from crash site investigations

 

[waken]

The only halfway convincing argument I've heard for saying JA2 is not an RPG is "it's too good". I can accept that

We had a comprehensive argument over the RPG-ness of JA2 a little while ago. The outcome was: people who tend to play with a stable party perceive it as an RPG, people who constantly rotate their squad usually don't.

That's a pretty good answer, but I would also add that it matters if you roll a custom merc and treat him as your "main PC". You could use a stable party in Enemy Unknown too, but imo that doesn't increase the RPG-ness of it.

When you compare JA2 to UFO; you must remember that latter completely lacks non-combat exploration, character driven interactions & dialogues and also romances, unless you're one of those weirdoes that count Chryssallid impregnation as such.

While those things certainly make JA2 more RPG-like than UFO, I still think the best answer to the question in the OP is that it depends on how you see and use your party (and avatar).
And don't trigger my PTSD with Chryssallid impregnation plz.

 

[Lord_Potato]

It's ok. We've all been there, mate.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

These are the minimum requirements for an RPG. Everything else gets a hyphen.

1. All player actions moderated through a mechanic (dice/cards/etc.)
2. Intrinsic character customization with mutually exclusive choices.
3. Exploration

So, check, check, and check. It satisfies the essential requirements to be deemed and RPG. It doesn't even get a hyphen.

 

[Pegultagol]

One could argue against that the choices are within the scope of achieving a predetermined goal, meaning one can't work for the other side or sabotage the operation in a meaningful manner. It's a damn good game but I'd consider it more of a 4X than a traditional RPG, notwithstanding a lot of games masquerading themselves as RPGs subverting or diluting the definition already.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

If JA2 comes up, slaps your girl on the ass and tells you to call it a dancing simulator then by golly it's a dancing simulator.

 

[Arryosha]

These are the minimum requirements for an RPG. Everything else gets a hyphen.

1. All player actions moderated through a mechanic (dice/cards/etc.)
2. Intrinsic character customization with mutually exclusive choices.
3. Exploration

So, check, check, and check. It satisfies the essential requirements to be deemed and RPG. It doesn't even get a hyphen.

But then Age of Wonders and Dominions would also be unhyphenated RPGs.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Arryosha D&D and the RPG genre were born from war games. Similarities are going to occur. I don't really see a conflict.

There is definitely something to be said about scale, and the centrality and importance of a particular hero. I haven't yet defined that aspect, because it comes down to degrees rather than an absolute. That's a poor basis for defining something. I haven't thought about it in awhile though. It might be time.