Lets finally settle the age old question: Is Jagged Alliance 2 an RPG?

[luj1]

Dont be idiots guys

JA2 is among the purest RPGs around by format alone (the only thing which matters)

its isometric, its turn-based, its squad-based

Role playing game:

JA2:

Other examples of the purest: ToEE, KotC, Dark Sun, Fallout Tactics

The more you change the format (realtime/RTwP, first person etc.) the less of an RPG it is. Just look at Cyberpunk or Witcher

 

[rusty_shackleford]

it's isometric, it's squad-based, it's turn-based

my favorite rpg is xcom

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Fallout Tactics never gets love.

 

[Farewell into the night]

Fallout Tactics never gets love.

Never played it. How good is it?

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I died right off the bat (after i finally figured out how to manage the main map). Its been a while. I was mostly testing to see if the cd was working (triple fallout 1/2/tactics). It was having issues running. Now i have the gog/steam vers. I should play it.

 

[octavius]

Fallout Tactics never gets love.

Never played it. How good is it?

A decline after JA2.

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

Fallout Tactics never gets love.

Never played it. How good is it?

Movement felt really, really slow. Its fine minus that though.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Fallout Tactics never gets love.

Never played it. How good is it?

A decline after JA2.

So a proper order for maximum enjoyment would be Fallout Tactics first, Jagged Alliance 2 second?

 

[Darkzone]

Fallout Tactics never gets love.

Never played it. How good is it?

The combat missions, where you have to protect something like the Humvee are shit, but otherwise i think it's good.

JA2 and F:T are more RPG, than Disco Eillusion.

Illusio (lat): Mockery, Deception, Irony, vain imagination . v illudere "play a bad game / fool around, to cheat/swindle, to mock"

 

[Darth Canoli]

When Lilura finally visits this thread, you'll all be going to the iggy bin.

I think Lilura realized how futile and wrong his blog was and threw himself in the iggy bin.
This or he was imprisoned by the Chinese government for praising the western video games decadence (aka BG 2*)

Spoiler

*And i'd agree with them on this one...

 

[Catacombs]

Lilura
RPG Codex Dragon Lady
Female

his blog

threw himself

he was

 

[Darth Canoli]

Catacombs
Them was a reference to the Chinese government, it's probably not obvious if you thought i used any pronoun by mistake.
I didn't.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Lilura
RPG Codex Dragon Lady
Female

his blog

threw himself

he was

Spoiler

 

[fantadomat]

When Lilura finally visits this thread, you'll all be going to the iggy bin.

I think Lilura realized how futile and wrong his blog was and threw himself in the iggy bin.
This or he was imprisoned by the Chinese government for praising the western video games decadence (aka BG 2*)

Spoiler

*And i'd agree with them on this one...

At least she is more entertaining than you...

 

[bec de corbin]

ironically, while jagged alliance is not an rpg, it does contain them

 

[Black_Willow]

In an RPG one player controls one character. In JA2 one player controls multiple characters, which means it's a wargame and not and RPG. Q.E.D.
Unless you make your character and play the whole game solo, then it's an RPG.

 

[ValeVelKal]

It is a point&click with RPG elements. I mean, I kept combining stuff in my inventory to make molotov or whatever.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Fallout Tactics never gets love.

Never played it. How good is it?

A decline after JA2.

So a proper order for maximum enjoyment would be Fallout Tactics first, Jagged Alliance 2 second?

This raises question, that are JA1 and Deadly Games more enjoyable than Fallout Tactics?
I genuinely don't know since I've only played the demo of Deadly Games.

 

[octavius]

I found JA1 more enjoyable than FT. But if I had played FT rigth after F2 and before JA2 I might have felt the other way.

 

[ValeVelKal]

I found JA1 more enjoyable than FT. But if I had played FT rigth after F2 and before JA2 I might have felt the other way.

Really hard call between FT and JA1. I think I prefered JA1 over FT, but Deadly Games was not great so below FT.

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

Fallout Tactics never gets love.

Never played it. How good is it?

A decline after JA2.

So a proper order for maximum enjoyment would be Fallout Tactics first, Jagged Alliance 2 second?

This raises question, that are JA1 and Deadly Games more enjoyable than Fallout Tactics?
I genuinely don't know since I've only played the demo of Deadly Games.

Fallout Tactics doesn't screw you over just because night is falling, so that's better by default.
I'd give the edge between DG and FT to DG. Deadly games is a perfect example of doing a mission pack "sequel" right. Plus, Tactics doesn't know if it wants to be mission-based or not.

 

[Lord_Potato]

I remember JA1, which I finished many years ago, as a quite good strategy-rpg hybrid. Had lots of fun taking over the island of Metavira, with Ivan, Fidel and Ice in the vanguard.

 

[octavius]

I had fun with the Dork Squad. It proved to be very hard, so I restarted and completed with a more standard squad.

 

[Ol' Willy]

There is one simple reason why JA2 should be always classified as RPG.

I'm a latecomer to the genre. Fallout 1 is the first RPG I ever played, back in 2008. Followed by Fallout 2 in the same year. I was assblasted away, this was nothing I have ever seen before, so of course I wanted something more or less similar. Thing is, I'm a picky fella, so point one - no fantasy. I like me some original fantasy like Dark Sun or Arcanum settings, but generic one - nah. This easily cuts away 90% of the genre away from me. No real-time combat - I like me some turn-based goodness. No weeaboo bullshit as well. This cut away the remaining 10% of the genre to almost complete nothing. So, timeline is 2008-2012, I was looking something like "non-fantasy RPG", "RPGs like Fallout" or "turn-based RPG" and failed to find anything for my fancy. Year 2012, I was bored with the new shit and had no success in looking anything turn-based and non-fantasy, so I quit.

Thing is, not a single time, not even fucking once the game named Jagged Alliance 2 popped up in my searches. While it's not like Fallout, the combat is better and this matters. Turn based, with good combat, with character progression and player agency... I could have been playing JA2 12 years ago.

Fuck these faggots with their arbitrary genre definitions

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

To think i was hopped up on the Crusader series for a short bit. I honestly expected something a little different. Squad turn-based has always been a plus in my book. Even early ultimas failed me with the unseen ticking clock followed by <PASS> While I was reading something or distracted by the phone. Z-stats was a waste of a turn (well ready weapon seemed annoying too..)

After ultima i got my hands on a copy of X-com from a pal to try. Transitioning from that to Breach to Jagged Alliance was enthralling with a side trek into the Horde then Warcraft because RTS and memories of Archon & Mail Order Monsters lingered.