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[Baltika9]

Well, getting captured wasn't actually part of the original plan, she saw an opportunity to improvise when you and Cao'er arrived in Ahura's absence and took it.

Qilin was just improvising and pulling this plan out of her ass at the last second, and thank god because we would've been dead otherwise. Wife material right there.

You went there with Chanfeng already. I don't see anyone complaining about the results.

There's a difference between stopping a mentally unstable psycho from going on a suicide mission to save a non-existant and scattered group, and holding Yunzi away from helping her faction, who are very much alive and whole and in need of her for the sole reason of "SHE'S MINE! MINE MINE MINE!"

Yeah, Cao'er and Qilin would be ever so disappointed if we were to simply let Yunzi go now..

What is she gonna do? Withold sex?
Bro please, she will break one day in.

 

[Nevill]

Qilin was just improvising and pulling this plan out of her ass at the last second, and thank god because we would've been dead otherwise.

She chose that particular plan, even if she didn't have to, and she had this plan earlier.
Did she want to reel Yunzi in? Yes or no? Yes. Then what are we arguing about?

There's a difference between stopping a mentally unstable psycho from going on a suicide mission to save a non-existant and scattered group, and holding Yunzi away from helping her faction, who are very much alive and whole and in need of her

The group was very much existant and clumped in one place when we made that choice. Sorry, that is a very weak defense. She could have tried to save them, and she could have even succeeded, as unlikely as it sounds.

Here the situation is the same. Worse yet, you are going to return Yunzi even if her paralytic groom is still around. She won't even be the leader in that case.

I don't get how 'I will sacrifice anything for my duty to the people' is different from Chanfeng's 'suicide mission'. It is the same mindset.

for the sole reason of "SHE'S MINE! MINE MINE MINE!"

No. That's your reasoning. Mine is that we can help her, and that she does not realize that yet.

 

[Baltika9]

The difference is that treave confirmed the Wunan Sect as being wiped out and it's few survivors enslaved and shipped off to Youxia's markets. There was no guarantee that Changfeng would find them and even less that she would survive rescuing them, if our own Lone Wolfing around that city was of any indication. That, and Changfeng is a feminazi with severe mental trauma and not a whole lot of regard for her own survival.

Here, the situation is absolutely different in all respects, there just is no comparison.:
The Cult is very much together and not at all enslaved or scattered.

Yunzi's worse mental issue is Tsundere Syndrome, besides that she is going back to a relatively safe teritorry to tend to her people, not the Youxia deathtrap.

She has the Guardian of METAL! with her, so she really is in almosy zero danger.

 

[Nevill]

There is still no guarantee that Yunzi can help these people, too. Where are the resourses she can use?

We are the resourses. So it does not make sense to let her go to try and fix everything by herself, especially when we aren't even sure she will be in charge. As far as we know, Ahura still lives.

Danger? What danger fo you speak of? Why would anything threaten her, especially in the Cult?

The only danger she is in is to get bogged down by the problems of her people that she can't solve.

 

[Baltika9]

Okay, let him live as a paraplegic. The regency is Yunzi's, the people certainly respect her enough.

And, yeah, she can definitely help better by being with them. Having her chief helper, Jing, not hated by her faction for a senselessly selfish abduction, and Qilin by association, would be cool too.

 

[Nevill]

How does C imply our further involvement with Yunzi or the Cult? Where does this 'chief helper' come from?

I know we'll have to involve ourselves with her in A or B, but what reason would we have in C to concern Jing with their matters?

I didn't see them worrying that much about Qilin's feelings when their leader tried to fucking take her hostage and use as a sex slave. They certainly didn't need to hate her to do that. So don't play that 'we will break their heart' card with me.

 

[Baltika9]

Edit: also, is this what Jing's mindset about C is?

I read 'let her go' here as 'wish her best of luck and wash your hands of the matter'.

Depends on whether he's in any shape to give orders, and that won't be Jing's mindset in C.

FFS, if Jing gives enough of a shit to escort her all the way to the fire cult's lines in C, it means he gives a shit about Yunzi, her wishes, safety and success. Nothing about C says that we are abandoning her, absolutely nothing at all.

Not playing "break their heart" card, but they will hate us for kidnapping her over here, and Qilin by extension, which makes diplomacy with them that much more difficult. It's hard enough with them hating the orthodox world, let's not extend that hate to the unorthodox as well.

 

[Nevill]

Nothing about C says that we are abandoning her, absolutely nothing at all.

You mean we'll be staying with the Cult, then? That would be funny to watch.

As I understand it, we escort her to the Cult, and go separate ways. She deals with her problems, we deal with ours. End of story. Sure, we might cross paths somewhere in the future, but this particular development is over.

Don't then come saying 'well, she never really needed us' when we never were there for her in the first place.

Not playing "break their heart" card, but they will hate us for kidnapping her over here, and Qilin by extension, which makes diplomacy with them that much more difficult.

Funny, they weren't concerned about diplomacy issues with the Wudu Cult when they tried to make a slave out of their heir.
Dealing with the Fire Cult is business. They don't have to hate you to screw you up. They don't have to love you to deal with you. Simple as that.

 

[Baltika9]

You mean we'll be staying with the Cult, then? That would be funny to watch.

That's a possibility. Or we can visit them, especially if we are on friendly terms. Yunzi may be willing to forgive the whole situation after a night with Qilin, but the rest likely won't, all of them being hard people toughened by the Caliphate's invasion.

Sure, Vahista will grumble and Xsaora will probably insist on a rematch and a jam session for METAL!, but with a good rep and under Yunzi's leadership, nothing is preventing us from.dropping by and helping out now and then.

Not so if we make ourselves their enemy, which kidnapping their Maiden practically guarantees. Yunzi even said "Please!"so this must be important.

 

[ScubaV]

Baltika and Nevill sitting in a tree.
A R G U I N G!!!
First comes discuss.
Then comes rage.
Then comes butthurt in a treave update.

 

[Nevill]

That's a possibility. Or we can visit them, especially if we are on friendly terms.

Sure, especially with a certain paraplegic who is still their god and ruler, and is very much alive.

Ok, guys, you've heard it. Vote C to stay with the Fire Cult.

Yunzi may be willing to forgive the whole situation after a night with Qilin, but the rest likely won't

And in the end, this is all what matters to me. We are going to help them, to free Yunzi of the duty she took upon herself, and I don't really care how they would feel about it. In the end, I am not doing it for them, even though they would benefit from it.

Yunzi even said "Please!"so this must be important.

As I said, she has a martyr 'only I can save the world' complex. She is not used to relying on other people.

Furthermore, on A.

And any benevolence of the orthodox sects goes as far as allowing the cultists to flee with their tails between their legs and perhaps sparing the life of their sacred figurehead. A truce, yes, but helping out the Fire Temple?

I don't read this as 'diplomacy is useless, move along'.

Accepting the Holy Maiden as the one who does not deserve punishment just for being associated with the Fire Cult would be a nice first step in negotiating a truce between the parties. That would at least ensure the cultists can stay where they are now.

 

[Baltika9]

Ok, guys, you've heard it. Vote C to stay with the Fire Cult.

But the real question is, does A give us +1 ALL THE SWORDS?
We're really going in circles here, so might as well stop.

 

[Nevill]

I just find it funny. After all, you were the one that suggested this idea first.

If we take down the three Amesha Spentas, not an unreasonable expectation with BJ, Lingshu, Cao'er and Yandi on our side, and rescue Qilin, what is stopping us from going directly for Yunzi? With the Cockblock Squad down and out, the goal post is open for Operation: Maiden Capture 2.0. Who's going to stop our band? And, even more importantly, a distracting like that is not something Ahura can ignore.

Please stick to what the choice says and don't go adding unfounded shit like "C2 let's us get Yunzi too!".

The fact is, she probably wouldn't want to come with us so long as this guy is alive. She's already made her bed with him as far as she is concerned. That is why she is fighting on his side to begin with.

Nobody said her consent is necessary.

And then you are suddenly being very considerate of her feelings, even though her reasons may be misguided.
Why did you suggest kidnapping her in the first place? You knew she wouldn't want to leave. Just for a distraction?

 

[XenomorphII]

A

 

[Esquilax]

Given the choices that we've made so far, Jing's live-and-let-live attitude, and our previous actions with Cao'er, I can't go with anything but C. I'm concerned about the presence of a zealot like Nie Wuxing, but I have a feeling that the Sword Saint will let her go.

If we pick a choice like A, wouldn't it be somewhat ironic if we also get into deep shit for fighting the orthodox pugilists when we were with the Minamoto, as well as for the unfair fight we had against Su Liaojing and the Taishan Seven?

 

[Baltika9]

Yeah, it was for lulzy trolling of Ahura, perhaps distract him to give our guys a shot at victory. Of course, he's a cripple now and trolling cripples is just too fucked up.
You just don't do it.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

A>B of course. Maybe we can finally get some answers out of her as to why all this is happening and why she's sided with these fire cult turds in the first place.

edit: Also, it will help having a hostage of our own. Just because Ahura is down for now, doesn't mean he and the rest of these guys are suddenly no longer a threat.

as a side note: almost wishing we had picked Wudang to begin with... The Taoist is/was an utter bad ass.

 

[Nevill]

Given the choices that we've made so far, Jing's live-and-let-live attitude, and our previous actions with Cao'er, I can't go with anything but C.

I would like to point out that the situation now and then are different. The choice that is made under a pressure, be it at gunpoint, or out of guilt, or under other circumstances of similar nature, is not worth much as a free choice.

Yunzi have chosen to marry the Flaming Faggot, but did she really want that? Would that make her happy? No, I don't think anyone believes that. She have 'chosen', but she didn't really have a choice.

It was much easier with Cao'er, who did choose her future without outside matters affecting her decision oppressively. She really did pick what she wanted to do with her life.

I do not believe this is the case here.

 

[Esquilax]

A>B of course. Maybe we can finally get some answers out of her as to why all this is happening and why she's sided with these fire cult turds in the first place.

edit: Also, it will help having a hostage of our own. Just because Ahura is down for now, doesn't mean he and the rest of these guys are suddenly no longer a threat.

as a side note: almost wishing we had picked Wudang to begin with... The Taoist is an utter bad ass.

I don't see why Yunzi owes us any answers, or why her owing us answers means that we can take her hostage like that. It's one thing to take her captive with a daring (and romantic) Operation Maiden Capture* but it's another to take her captive when she wishes to lead her people and maybe broker a peace with the Eight Sects. We just don't have the right to step in like this.

And yeah, I'd say Ahura is pretty much toast. Unless this is your idea of a threat:

Also, the strongest of the Fire Cult's Amesha Spenta has stood down - so long as we bring no harm to the Holy Maiden, Xsaora Vairya is not going to be a threat to us.

* Still butthurt about this

 

[ERYFKRAD]

And yeah, I'd say Ahura is pretty much toast. Unless this is your idea of a threat:

He can bite, you know.

 

[Nevill]

I don't see why Yunzi owes us any answers, or why her owing us answers means that we can take her hostage like that.

She does not, but without answers, we can't really help her in any way.

And maybe, just maybe, if you want to help broker a truce, you might try to actually talk to the orthodox dudes here?

You know, about this thing:

And any benevolence of the orthodox sects goes as far as allowing the cultists to flee with their tails between their legs and perhaps sparing the life of their sacred figurehead. A truce, yes, but helping out the Fire Temple?

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

His arms and legs are still attached...aren't they? Not clear. "limp by his side"? His meridians are just blown out - like ours were once - but we don't know how much punishment this guy can take or if he will regain conciousness soon and order the cult to do XYZ (overriding any orders Yunzi could give), so it's best to keep her for now to be safe. As for our right to take her hostage: :RanceDoesNotScaleToYourLevel: What right does she have not to be taken hostage?

 

[Nevill]

Well, we know, sort of:

As for Ahura, if he survives this he can look forward to a life of being a quadriplegic, with crippled neigong.

But him surviving would still be a pronlem.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

Ahahahaha! Serves him right. Maybe C is worth considering then. I will think on this...

 

[Tigranes]

It depends on whether the Cult would still obey Ahura's orders when he is a cripple. If they do, then Yunzi remains in danger and her ability to do shit with the Fire Cult is limited. We still don't know exactly what they're all about, but the interactions of the last few updates suggest to me that she is a holy maiden only insofar as she is the destined bride of Ahura, rather than being some sort of Divine Figure, and thus she may not have the clout to oust Ahura, override him, etc., etc.

It definitely seems like Wang is going to kill/cripple himself to take out Ahura solving many of our problems.

Another aspect of this is what will happen to the orthodox sects. If, as we expect, Wang will no longer be a force after this, that is bad news for us. That is one of the few remaining Bro Generation heads - and the most powerful - out of the picture, an dno matter who succeeds him, the influcne of the Dickish Generation will grow. Furthermore, there will be a heightened sense of the need to train new generations so that the orthodox have individuals that can combat external threats / risks / unknowns of Xu Jing, Zhang Jue, the Sword Saint, the Fire Cult - probably giving more prominence and resources to Bai Jiutian.