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Interesting decisions with effects that will be hard to predict.

A. Though I feel bad for the Greeks, who will now never know the glory of Alexander or have their cultural golden age. Not too sure what to make of this choice.
A. These Northerners seem decent enough. Wonder what the trade-off here is. Would be nice to pick up their advanced metallurgy ourselves (assuming there isn't some supernatural hijinks going on its production that we wouldn't be able to replicate). Would also be fitting with our ownership of Damascus.
A. This may be one of those moral dichotomy questions (sending men to their certain death/maiming vs going up there and doing it ourselves) but it just seems too risky. Playing it pussy and safe here.
 
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Our bandwagoning tends to lead to us being bruised and beaten, while the stuff we argue over constantly seems to have no dire consequence

:lol:

Now I'm having traumatic reminders of the near unanimous vote where everyone thought zapping Marduk was a bright idea even though we already had Edem watching our backs and the element of surprise already.

This situation is different, though. We've decided to stay in the Empire, we've already dealt with any short-term internal problems with our appearance in Hattusa, and getting involved in China would result in the Terasphagos problem getting worse. It would also alienate Athena, Artemis and Sekhenun. As I said in my previous post, our best bet is to find Vajra ASAP on the other side and close this rift down. We must dedicate ourselves to solving one problem, or we'll solve none of them.

Furthermore, because of the choices we've made so far, our Empire has fantastic administration to counter the instability caused by absorbing the Hittite Empire. We've got rising literacy rates and a road network, which is going to do wonders for trade and organization. That'll offset a lot of the problems caused by the war and allow easier integration of the Hittites through the spread of prosperity in the region. Once the Hittites see all that trade coming in, they won't be as eager to revolt.

And even if there's unrest, that's what we have the Watchers for. They can monitor the situation and either discredit or assassinate any potential rebels.

Becoming God-Emperor was probably the best decision we've made. We needed a fast way to unite the region without wasting our valuable time with political bullshit and internal strife, and having supreme authority provided that.


Forget the rest, we have an ideal "outside" enemy with the riftspawn. Nothing unites a people like giving them something else to hate/fear and I think that mindless, cruel, eating machines would be pretty ideal. Send the Hittites over to do a stint or four of garrison duty and suddenly the empire seems a lot better.
 

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By the way, could we have a summary of the relations we have with the important kings and such of our empire? For example, who did we put in charge of the Hittite lands, and what does Athena think of us at this point?
 

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A - worthless soil is worthless, and I doubt it even has symbolic meaning to the Greeks. this will help us to efficiently scout the rift.
A - I'll bite. Let them in. Keep them confined to select few cities at first, in order to find their true motives.
A - no WAY are we entering the rift while shady northerners establish enclaves in our cities. time to wrap this up.
 

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treave, does our connection to Vajra allow Ean to teleport over short distances now, in addition to zapping things as Zeus did? I also remember Chapter 6.1. mentioning that teleportation would cause mental stress in Ean; would our meditation help in countering that? Also, if we pick 1A + 2A, would our men be outfitted with Northern iron when we reclaim the lands near Olympus? It would certainly make the mission much easier.

Here are my thoughts:

A) Taking back those lands will be a great symbol of unification to our people. It'll be the Hittite, Gutian, Egyptian, Babylonian and Greeks all coming together to fight those monsters. We need that. A young nation like ours needs a symbol other than the Emperor to rally behind - think of what Thermopylae meant to the Greeks.

Furthermore, this would put Athena firmly in our corner - when we eventually go through that rift and she starts hearing the voices again, we want her loyalties to lie with Ean and not with Zeus. Zeus probably has the other two pieces of Vajra, and we want her on our side instead of his. This is all heading towards a confrontation beyond the rift.

Lastly, I'm voting for A here because I want Ean to go on the expedition to find the rift. If our soldiers are stationed very close to the miasma, we'll have a place to fall back on if we're swarmed or in trouble. Doing this actually makes going on an expedition safer.

A) This is precisely why I hollered for everyone to vote for soft power instead of a Praetorian Guard. There's definitely an ulterior motive going on, but I am confident that our Watchers will figure it out. Let 'em in!

A) A mortal man with nothing but a pair of steel balls came out of that miasma. It would be disgraceful for the Emperor not to go in there as an example to his people. We are an avatar of the principles that our people should exemplify - we must go in and find the rift.

Also, we need to solve the rift situation quickly: 15 years have passed since the Gieloth have landed in China, and that situation needs to be resolved soon as well. The first step will be finding the rift.

This works in conjunction with 1A because it will make falling back a lot easier should we be in trouble.

Guys, let's not puss out on this one. I usually vote catiously, but this is not the time to do so. We're going to have improved weapons to aid us, and an improved connection to Vajra as well. With a well-equipped expedition force going into the miasma and our troops nearby to allow us room to fall back, we should be fine.

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B - worthless soil is worthless, and I doubt it even has symbolic meaning to the Greeks.
A - I'll bite. Let them in. Keep them confined to select few cities at first, in order to find their true motives.
B - no WAY are we entering the rift while shady northerners establish enclaves in our cities.

Storyfag bro, while the Northerners indeed have an ulterior motive for coming down here besides trade, I don't think that it's something Ean can resolve personally. We invested in a spy network for a reason, now it's time to reap the benefits.

A A A
 

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If our increased connection with Vajra would only let us throw up a defensive field, like the one Zeus had.. We'd be able to explore the miasma safely.
Only, I believe treave mentioned that power was unlocked by having two pieces of Vajra.. Will the increased power of our fragment when wielded in conjunction with Anbar Shi be enough to use said shield?

If so, then heck yes we should have Ean explore to find the actual rift. :bro:
 

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letting the xeno influence expand when sek's studioes showed its basically ork spores/ tryranid ooze? Letting it expand is a huge no no

We want steel and if the master in the north wants it for spying in our cities / making a deal with the greeks let him hmmm actually we might not want this for we are advancing down the roman phalanx style military willing to flop to * if someone can settle my paranoria

Seems to work yea any1 from the 40K cyoa remember the rebreather that we got that seemed to keep our insides clean? From xeno influence?
 

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The northerners will give you enough to outfit 100 soldiers every year, you can't stop in the middle of battle to restore your composure via meditation, and using Anbar Shi makes it easier for you to access the powers of one piece of Vajra, it doesn't grant any new ones.

edit: Using Vajra without wielding Anbar-Shi doesn't affect your hunger, so now you have an alternative weapon to use, though it is more limited in function. The general boost you get is very slight, the lightning, storm-calling and short-range blinking are the only noteworthy (overpowered) skills that are added to your arsenal.
 

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Btw one of the reasons we fail at iron / steel is because we lack coal and proper forges and techniques to create them rome didn't start steel production till they brought back coal from the mountains to our north thus we will fail until then literally we need to be hotter brighter and last longer to create steel *metalworker by trade*
 

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A few years after the incursion, their activity began to decrease again.

Guys, I think this part is key. If we go in to scout the miasma personally, we will be going at a time when Terasphagos activity is minimal. This is absolutely critical, and we don't want to waste this opportunity. Think about how that would make a future trip into the rift much easier - if we know where it is and how to get there during a time of relative inactivity, then it will make reaching the rift a far better proposition if we need to go through while Terasphagos are swarming all over the place. We won't have a chance to do this during the next phase of Terasphagos activity, so we must do it now.

We voted to figure out the rift situation, so let's not puss out. The rift isn't active at the moment, so now is the time for boldness, not caution. We'll go in with an expedition of men outfitted with the new Northern steel.
 

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Intermission: The Empire (30 A.C.)

The empire was founded in the same year that Olympus fell, as a union between the former Babylonian and Egyptian Empires. Within 30 years, it has since expanded to bring the Greek city states and the Hittite Empire under the aegis of its protection and is now the sole power in the lands that border the Mediterranean.

Government

The Emperor is the head of the empire and the one in which all decision-making power rests. Although each kingdom nominally holds great autonomy over their own administration, in practice the current Emperor has exercised his influence in a wide variety of issues, ranging from trade to the military. The kings of the empire serve a function more akin to that of a governor, dealing with day-to-day matters of the bureaucracy, maintaining the rule of law, and ensuring that their kingdoms are progressing in the direction that the Emperor desires. It is in essence an empire united under the absolute power of one monarch.

The Emperor has established a school of scholars which bring in the brightest and most talented citizens of the empire. Although the kingdoms tend to rely on their own home-grown bureaucracy for their administration, many scholars from the Emperor’s school tend to be assigned to high ranking positions that are near to, but not the top, in their respective homelands.

Internal Relations

The three kingdoms of the Greeks, Egyptians and Babylonians, as the founding members of the empire, have somewhat cordial relationships with each other. The Hittites have had a long history of conflict with all three, and as such are less committed to being partners in the empire’s growth if any of the other three stands to benefit more. The Assyrians, having been under Babylonian rule since they were subjugated by Marduk, have begun proposing that they should be granted equal status as the other kingdoms on the basis of their history. The current king of Babylon, Nabuchasar, is not too agreeable on the matter, noting that under the Assyrian proposal some of the disputed and wealthier cities near the Assyrian-Babylonian border would go to the new Assyrian kingdom.

Relations of each of the kingdoms with the Emperor vary. Both the Egyptian and Babylonian kings are extremely loyal to the current Emperor. The queen of Greece, Athena, had cultivated an attitude of indifference, tolerating the Emperor’s rule only as long as her dominions prosper, but the recent incursion of the Terasphagos and the successful defense against it has given her a change of heart. She now supports the Emperor’s rule openly, though she does not hesistate to point out what she feels are mistakes in his rule. King Tudalliya of the Hittites was brought to the throne by the deaths of the reigning members of the Lubarna dynasty, and as such is grateful to the Emperor for his current seat. However, his gratefulness does not extend to his interactions with other members of the empire, who have not given him any courtesy either.

External Relations

The empire has cordial relations with the kingdom in the north and has negotiated peace with its former holdings in the Indus Valley. There are no other major centers of population within reach that they currently know of and can establish diplomatic relations with.

Religion & Culture

Each kingdom has high religious autonomy. Worship of the traditional pantheon is commonplace, with each city having their own favoured god. The official state line is that all gods are true in their own way, though in practice the priests are encouraged to denounce worship of beings that incur the Emperor’s displeasure as worship of impostors. Although the reigning Emperor has been proclaimed a god, he has made no move to force worship of his own divinity in his dominion – even so, his cult is gaining popularity in the kingdoms of Babylonia and Egypt, with the Emperor being elevated to a status of prominence particularly in the old Sumerian pantheon.

The people of the empire receive schooling in their own languages and most of them spend their lives immersed in their own culture. Since the establishment of the empire, the policies implemented have led its citizens to begin identifying more with the kingdom rather than their cities or tribes, but the lack of an official lingua franca or any uniting force beyond that of the Emperor himself has hindered the formation of a larger identity amongst its people.

Economy

Trade thrives far and wide throughout the empire, thanks to its established network of roads. Merchants are encouraged but regulated by a system of laws to prevent cheating and establish standardized measurements for goods. The merchants of the empire are some of the best in the world thanks to the education that the state has mandated, but as most trade cities are within the empire now, they usually compete against each other, with lines being drawn depending on the kingdom they are affiliated to. Currency remains separate between the kingdoms. An established trade route has emerged between the northern lands and the Indus Valley over the past decade, and every day countless goods flow along these routes, feeding the empire’s growth.

Military

The military of the empire is generally maintained at a standing number of 35,000 ready for battle, whose service is regularly rotated with reserves of another 30,000 men that are stationed within cities and camps throughout the empire. They have 2000 chariots, each able to carry 3 men, and 7,000 archers. The remaining forces constitute of infantry. The breakdown of the standing forces contributed by each kingdom is as follows: Egypt – 9000, Babylon – 12,000, with half of that being Assyrian, Hittite – 11,000, Greece – 3000.

Despite their disparate origins, the Emperor has the right to take command of all soldiers in the field and override the authority of each of the kings and their generals. Given the number of occasions on which this has happened and led to the saving of their lives in battle, the military have become distinct from the citizenry in that they have ceased to see themselves as Egyptian or Greek soldiers, and instead think of themselves as soldiers of the Emperor. Most in the military have taken the Emperor as their patron god, and it is there that his cult has the most influence.

The military has been divided into four armies according to their sphere of operations.

The North Army consists of mainly Hittite and Assyrian soldiers and total about 8000 strong. They are led by the Assyrian Nashiram and are stationed in the Anatolian plains.

The South Army is made up of Egyptian and Babylonian soldiers, numbering about 8000 men under the veteran Heroptah’s command. They are based in Egypt.

The East Army, commanded by Dakuri, are stationed to the east of Babylon, watching its borders with the empire’s former holdings in the Indus. They have about 8000 soldiers, a mix of mostly Babylonian and Assyrian.

The West Army garrisons the fortifications around the Olympus rift. The recent incursion has led to an increase in the number of troops in the West Army, and it is currently the largest army with 11,000 men, with a good mix of soldiers from all kingdoms. It is led by Gursu, son of Gudersu, who had distinguished himself greatly during the incursion and been promoted to high rank for numerous, important displays of bravery and thinking.
 

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Intermission: The Empire (30 A.C.)

I know we went completely into alternate history territory, but I'd still like a BCE date. If only for the purpose of comparison.

The people of the empire receive schooling in their own languages and most of them spend their lives immersed in their own culture. Since the establishment of the empire, the policies implemented have led its citizens to begin identifying more with the kingdom rather than their cities or tribes, but the lack of an official lingua franca or any uniting force beyond that of the Emperor himself has hindered the formation of a larger identity amongst its people.

This... this we have to overcome somehow. Truth be told, I think I'd prefer the citizens to identify with their cities first, and their kingdoms second, than with the kingdoms first and empire second.
Edit: What language does our talented scholar school use? This one will gradually become the ligua franca we need - but we'll have to carefully encourage it. We must also make sure to have the nobility spend at least a few years in this school of ours. Where is it located, by the way?

Despite their disparate origins, the Emperor has the right to take command of all soldiers in the field and override the authority of each of the kings and their generals. Given the number of occasions on which this has happened and led to the saving of their lives in battle, the military have become distinct from the citizenry in that they have ceased to see themselves as Egyptian or Greek soldiers, and instead think of themselves as soldiers of the Emperor. Most in the military have taken the Emperor as their patron god, and it is there that his cult has the most influence.

This is good. Very good. Empires are founded and maintained through the love of the military to their leader. Maybe we should introduce compulsory (but not too long!) military service in order to better utilise the unifying factor the military provides? At least the important people - nobles and royalty - tend to serve in the army, so they will be comfortably indoctrinated.
 

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indoctrinated

I see what you did there. :martini:

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Where is the good in 3A? There's too much risk, and as the Empire's only true uniting figure, if something happened to us (the filter has failed more often than worked) then all of our work falls apart so that we can be somewhat more bro-ish with the scouts.
 

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A - How are the fortifications btw? One wall around the rift or multiple walls? Building multiple layers of walls around the rift would lower the casualties as our soldiers can hold one wall and retreat behind another before it is overrun.

B - If we are going to the rift anytime soon we shouldn't let them in. They are too secretive and they provide only gear for 100 soldiers per year.

A - We should definitely go. Not sure about bringing the Vajra with us though.

And I think focusing to the empire and the rift instead of China is a bad move.
 

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You said that the military is divided into 5 armies, but there's only 4 regiments: north, south, east, west. Where is the 5th? Or is it the watchers?
 

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I know we went completely into alternate history territory, but I'd still like a BCE date. If only for the purpose of comparison.

Probably about 1865 B.C.? The last time I gave a year was around 1890 B.C.

Edit: What language does our talented scholar school use? This one will gradually become the ligua franca we need - but we'll have to carefully encourage it. We must also make sure to have the nobility spend at least a few years in this school of ours. Where is it located, by the way?

Babylonian, and each scholar is required to learn some Egyptian and also the language of their homeland, in addition to that. It's in Babylon for now. I'm thinking of giving you guys the option to build a capital soon, if you don't screw up before that.

A - How are the fortifications btw? One wall around the rift or multiple walls? Building multiple layers of walls around the rift would lower the casualties as our soldiers can hold one wall and retreat behind another before it is overrun.

You don't have a full wall around the rift right now, given that you've been driven back further. Even your former fortifications were a mixture of low and high walls and some empty spaces monitored by outposts due to the difficulty of building walls around where an entire mountain used to be in just a few years while also under attack from monsters.It's even harder to build proper walls that fully encircle the current area given the technology, type of terrain and sheer area involved. You have walls where feasible, fences where they're not, regular patrols, and heavily manned outposts at natural chokepoints.

treave

You said that the military is divided into 5 armies, but there's only 4 regiments: north, south, east, west. Where is the 5th? Or is it the watchers?
I was toying with the idea of allowing the Olympus garrison to be their own army, but decided against it because there really isn't much else to defend against in the west. My mistake. Thanks for spotting it.
 

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Where is the good in 3A? There's too much risk, and as the Empire's only true uniting figure, if something happened to us (the filter has failed more often than worked) then all of our work falls apart so that we can be somewhat more bro-ish with the scouts.

The way I see it, if we're able to find out exactly where within the miasma that the rift lies, we can better anticipate the possible paths that the Terasphagos take to reach us. It's going to make reading them a lot easier - the area covered by the miasma is huge, so if we're able to pinpoint the exact location they're emerging from, we can set up fortifications accordingly. Also, we are going to have to go through the rift at some point in the near future, so it would be wise to map out a path to it during a period of relative inactivity, as opposed to a time when the fucking things are going crazy.

Sending in regular scouts might not work out because of the issue of time. Our scouts are far more vulnerable than Ean is, so it'll take a lot longer for them to find the rift - there's going to be a lot of trial-and-error (i.e. dead scouts) before they succeed. However, at that point, Terasphagos activity might increase again before they're able to figure out where the rift is.

The filter hasn't failed more often than it has worked; it's been used only once in battle, and so far it's been successful. The reason only one scout made it wasn't because of a fault in the filter, it was probably because all of his buddies got chewed up.

Sure, one success isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, but there's nothing to show that Sekhenun's filter is defective either.

My reasoning behind 1A is to have some kind of insurance for the expedition. If we station our men closer to the miasma, that means that the expedition can fall back to the fortifications should they become overwhelmed. I'm not too fond of bringing our men so close to the miasma again (1B is certainly strategically optimal) but if we're sending an expedition, we need people close by in case we're in trouble.

I will say that having elite royal guards would have been beneficial for the expedition. But then again, we wouldn't be able to spy on the Northern Kingdom's steel artisans, so there's tradeoffs no matter what.

A - We should definitely go. Not sure about bringing the Vajra with us though.

This is a serious concern. Zeus created this rift by mustering the power of two Vajra pieces, so our single piece is bound to react to the rift in some way. Worst case scenario, we end up on the other side of that rift without our army to back us up.
 

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