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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    I don't think so, even if he is telepathic, I do not think he is fully aware of our abilities and origin. When we attack him with our blast, he'll sense our attempt to harm him and be prepared for a mundane strike, which won't come. He should go flying off the rooftop.

    And no, the series of deaths doesn't sound too suspicious, each one is plausible and the last has little to no direct relation to Dio. In regards to your third point, yes Aodh has been acting skittish around us, but the prince notes that this isn't restrained to just us. He's seemed off since his return.

    The second death of Dio's betrothed isn't suspicious at all, since the prince directly relates that death to his father and has no reason to think otherwise. It'd take a lot of convincing to believe the lengths Dio went to in order to get into his good graces, when the apparent culprit is obvious and has already confirmed his guilt.
     
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  2. Baltika9 Arcane

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    The operative word in D is "genuinely". As in, for reals. That is the worst kind of flip-flopping, it leaves us in a deadly decadent court without the mean streak to survive and prosper. If we wanted Dio to be less grim dark, we should've saved Thania/not accepted the banquet.
     
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  3. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Think of this way, bros. Right now, as much as I hate it, we're Anthony Sommer's evil twin. In a whole empire of them. So, this is literally the case of going big(A and B) or going home(C)... For now, at least.
     
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  4. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    It'll be interesting, but unlike A2 I think A1 has no chance of success since it hinges on successfully deceiving a mindreader without realising he's a mindreader, while also putting ourselves in said mindreader's power, which is pure folly. It's no use seeing if our hunger activates from killing an "Ean" if we're dead ourselves.

    Esquilax, I completely disagree with you that Runikylos would suspect us, there's not enough of a tangible link for it to be so, even if he suspects foul play in Aodh's death. A2 has the possibility of looking like an accident and as I said, even if it doesn't, there's nothing linking Dio. What motivation could we have? It's impossible to think Aodh found a dark secret of ours provinces away. Yes, we might be jealous for the prince's favour, but it's a jump to think he was offed in such a conspicuous way over something so minor. I can see other arguments against A, but the Prince suddenly suspecting that we killed our fiance, our brother, our father and his servant out of the blue isn't one I find particularly convincing.
     
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  5. Arpad Educated

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    Seems like Aodh's abilities work on touch for now if his attitude only changed when you shook hands.. A surprise attack would probably work fine but there's probably less risk and more power to be gained in a temporary retreat and later disposal of Aodh and whoever else get's in the way. Dio seems to have plenty of time to even marry that princess if he has to go on business on faraway lands since she likes him and it hasn't been long since Thania's death.
    C B2
     
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  6. Baltika9 Arcane

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    You are right, Smashing Axe. It's just that I want to reassemble Ean ASAP, but that's no excuse to go full retard again.

    C has it's merits, big ones, but before I argue the case, I must know something. treave, will C give us a choice of what to do in the meantime?
     
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  7. treave Arcane Patron

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    Let's just say some people might not want you gone. Beyond that, yes, you get to pick your place of exile.
     
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  8. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Hmm... In that case, we can tell the Prince a pretty story about the mean spymaster, request an assignment to Anatolia to deal with the degenerates that cannot discern a fucking octopus from Grade-A Gieloth tail and return as a lauded hero.
    And where will Aodh's, a mediocre Watcher's, credibility be then?

    Edit: Actually, Anatolia is a bad idea, since he wants us out of the Empire, but we can ask the Prince, or even Emperor, for an assignment in any of the Empire's trouble neighbors, since we're a good little subject, and then return as a lauded hero.

    Alternatively, fuck this, let's go to Rus' and be Nevskiy.
     
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  9. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    There are only three choices - A2, B2, C.

    If we're going to off him now, it makes most sense to offset his ability to read minds. Now, we know that Ean initially required a touch to read minds, then he could read from range. Given that Aodh took a handshake before he started getting skittish, I think it makes sense to just blast him immediately. His powers might have developed far more than Dio's, though, allowing him to, like Ean did countless times, dodge the attack sufficiently.

    If we're going to wait and say we will leave, we have to make sure we set up an attack that cannot fail. So of course it has to be the masked man, with all the costs that entails. I don't see this as a terrible thing.

    Repentance is going to be pretty... I mean, it's guaranteed to work, because Aodh will be able to read our genuine nature. But we'd have to remain genuine all the way through or Aodh will simply find us out again. I don't know, it seems like exile is more worthwhile if we're going to subdue our ambitions that long.

    I'm going to vote A2 for now, because I really want to stay in the Empire. But C is also acceptable, I think. We could go to Anatolia indeed.
     
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  10. Esquilax Arcane

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    I think you meant, Anthony Sommers' evil-er twin, Baltika9. Which is pretty impressive, considering Sommers covered up the molestation and murder of a child so he could strengthen his political connections. Hell, even Sommers has a certain sense of loyalty to those who are close to him. Dio doesn't even have that.

    Because it doesn't make much sense to me character-wise. Dio isn't sorry for what he did, he's only sorry that he got caught. Also... it seems kinda pathetic:

    The part about being too much of a wimp makes me cringe - being spineless in a world of deadly court politics seems like a very shitty idea. If Dio ever does undergo a complete 180 in terms of personality, it should be after a much more powerful/traumatic experience than this. So Dio got figured out, big deal, why would that make him repent?

    Smashing Axe, individually, the murders aren't suspicious, you're absolutely right. But as a whole it becomes very suspicious. We've covered our tracks very well, but once you put the pieces together, things definitely start looking askew. It wasn't long ago that Dio was a member of some obscure House that nobody gave a fuck about. Since then, both his father and betrothed have committed suicide (with the Unata family suspecting foul play), and now Runikylos' right-hand man has mysteriously disappeared, with Dio presumably taking his position. It's not concrete, sure, but this is clearly a very strange set of coincidences. One or two deaths can be passed off as tragedies, but this death won't, given our recent history.

    But let's say you're right and Runikylos doesn't notice anything. That might be just as bad. Consider this:

    Right now, we are the second most-trusted of Runikylos' aides. Once he's gone, we'll probably have to assume Aodh's coveted position, which will stir up a lot of attention and jealousy. Even though Runikylos might not notice anything, once we usurp Aodh's position, someone else will begin to connect the dots. At this point, our rise to power has been meteoric - from the member of a weak noble House to right-hand of the Prince in six months - someone is bound to see the inconsistencies. Look at this:

    We're almost a victim of our own quick success, I think, and as a result, our position is insecure and we've got no friends. Remember why we aren't getting married yet - people would start getting suspicious otherwise. Having Aodh disappear then subsequently usurping his position (we'd pretty much have to at that point) will not help matters here. B2 would probably allow for a more permanent solution by calling in a favour that the masked man, but I'd rather learn more about him before becoming indebted to him.

    As a result, what I'm advocating here is to take a step back so that we can take two steps forward. We admit Aodh is the better man, we bow and scrape and play the game as a good courtier must, then we seek power elsewhere temporarily so that we can come back in a stronger position. Trying desperately to hold on to power that we're barely able to grasp will end poorly, I'm certain of it. Our position right now is very tenuous, and reining it in so we can get benefits in the long-term is the right call in this situation.

    However, you're right that in the short-term (next few weeks, months) at least, we should be fine with A2:

    No wonder Aodh had mediocre scores in school, because he clearly isn't very savvy. He's very confident, yet he hasn't done his homework by telling anybody or gathering evidence as insurance. The man is certainly no Astarth.
     
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  11. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Yeah, I really want to see Ean's mind awaken, take a look at Dio's deeds and mind-slap him with a "The fuck are you doing, bitch?"

    There is another problem with C:
    Yet. Just because Dio is gone, does not mean he will get complacent. Oh no, with his mind-reading powers, he can quickly earn the confidence of his superiors, especially if they grow.
    Besides which, I get the feeling that, since he's the closest to Ean's morality, he will be our biggest problem, as he will do what is right, not what is smart.
    Also, inb4 moral alignment with Ean accelerates power unlocks.

    Then again, I really want to see what treave will do to Rus'. Dio's comeback could bring an entire principality, if not country, into the Imperial fold and significantly increase his standing. However, with C, I insist on killing the Prophet. My storyfaggotry demands more!
    Edit: also, anyone know how to create a hyperlink here? I can't seem to get the HTML code to work.
    Never mind.
     
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  12. Esquilax Arcane

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    This is somewhat true, but Aodh isn't really squeaky-clean himself either. Yes, he's not the level of scumbag that Diogenes is - though, to be fair, few people are - but the update indicates that he isn't really morally upstanding either:

    There is definitely more to him than wanting to protect the Prince, he definitely has ambitions of his own. Dio seems to be a superb judge of character, and I think that Aodh wants to ride the Prince's coattails simply because he isn't clever and savvy enough to do so on his own. Yes, his power might increase to a certain extent while we're on our self-imposed exile, but Dio is far better at this game than Aodh is.

    Like I said, if we rein in our ambition for now, it will pay dividends. We've grasped for too much power too quickly, and I feel that it's given us no foundation to stand on. If we take some time to build up a power base somewhere else and remain patient, it will pay off.

    Plus that's not getting into the possibility of regeneration with A2 causing us a shitload of problems. It would be funny to have a reincarnated Aodh walking into our wedding with Runikylos' sister. :lol:

    So yeah, the real choice for me is either B2 or C.
     
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  13. Baltika9 Arcane

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    And where would you plan to go, hmm? (;) hint hint) But, seriously, if we do choose C, we'd better come back with a giant power base and dispose of the other fragments. Aodh is naive an eager, yes, but he is also young. Experience will teach him, just you wait, and if we come in too late, we may be squaring off against Varys the Spider in his own web. Which should be fun, if not deadly.

    Really, all you need for my support is one magic word. Edit: make that two three.

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    If you ignore this message, then you are a horrible LARPing BioWhore and should feel bad about the little boys you keep in your basement.
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  14. treave Arcane Patron

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    At that point I fully expect you guys will make Dio take the Princess hostage in an attempt to escape.
     
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  15. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Fuck that. Implant a suggestion into her mind, make her run towards Aodh for "protection" and then stab him through the heart. A-la Shulgi in Akkad.
    Edit: huh, it IS good to be bad.
     
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  16. Esquilax Arcane

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    Going to Rus sounds very stupid. I don't understand your obsession with that place. If we pick C, the only logical choice would be to go to Free Scania:

    We'll go there incognito, and using both our extensive knowledge of the region and our ability to ingratiate ourselves with the cultists, we can build up a power base from there. Should our efforts be successful, we can return to the Empire lauded as a hero, using that as leverage against Aodh. We'll also learn more about our situation as well by meeting another of Ean's incarnations, and perhaps the mysterious masked man.

    Likewise, I don't see the long-term benefits of A2. Okay, so we kill Aodh, but then what? We'll draw more suspicion and attention onto ourselves by grasping power so quickly, and even then, Aodh might simply regenerate and come back to haunt us at an extremely inconvenient time. B2 would work and probably get rid of Aodh permanently, but I want to know more about our mysterious benefactor before we keep asking for favours.

    Edit: Oh yeah, and as Kipeci noted, we only really have telekinesis right now. Ean is fragmented, so his powers are split between various incarnations.

    Btw, as a side note, I believe that Aodh would be the character that we would have played as had we chosen A at the beginning of the chapter.
     
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  17. Kipeci Magister

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    I don't think we can implant suggestions.

    There is the possibility of using our telekinesis to force her arm to stab him with... something sharp in the nearby vicinity, I guess. That could be troubling, though... if our telekinesis can move body parts around, couldn't we just squash their heart or something? That seems like it would be pretty outlawed. Granted, I don't think we've had much call to go practicing that skill even if it could exist...

    Edit: I don't see how any of this stuff about building a power base in foreign countries will work. Okay, so we go to Free Scania and kerfuffle about until some cultists like us and maybe don't kill as many folks in the Empire, hopefully without this getting us killed by the powers that be in Free Scania. Then what? If we return to the empire, Aodh's only going to be stronger, and he still has us by the short hairs and will no doubt still have the evidence of our crimes. He can shut us down in an instant even in the unlikely case that everything somehow turns up swimmingly elsewhere.

    Note that if we kill him, we don't need to usurp everything. Remember, we're not the only guy in the prince's service... we've just got our foot firmly in the door. The cost to get that foot there was extremely high, and I'd rather not just remove it so that the door can slam shut in our faces based off of people maybe getting suspicious and chances of being able to get back to the exact same situation in the future.
     
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  18. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Because rolling into an oppressed nation with our superpowers and political savvy opens up many, many possibilities down the road: the most obvious is going "lol King", but there are subtler alternatives. As in, becoming the power behind the king, or extending our influence, becoming king, consolidating our power base and then offering to join the Empire with our lands. It would give us enormous amounts of prestige and social standing, not in the least from the legend we can build up around us. Besides, being a "magnanimous national hero" will silence any protestations from our accusers. It's their word against an entire nation's "fact".
    Free Scania, on the other hand, is not a simple beast. Their Emperor might decie that he's better off offing Dio, or the Watchers may discover us working with a cult aimed at undermining the real Emperor's legitimacy, that will fuck us over, and besides which, Free Scania isn't a fan of the Empire.
    Rus' is also better because Rus' is still, from what I understand of treave's map and description, made up of loose tribes ruled over by petty kings making them much easier to unite. Scania, on the other hand, is a developed and unified Empire, and our meddling, if discovered by any side, may very well be fatal.
    Besides, Nevskiy is my childhood hero. You can't seriously expect me to pass this up.

    treave, random question: how many different women has Dio bedded? Any higher-class ladies among their numbers? It is very important.
     
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  19. treave Arcane Patron

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    Very few, because he's smart enough not to do it when he already has a fiancee (loyal son, good fiance etc) and smart enough not to go all Rennephilio style after his fiancee has recently died. Also it would be fucking stupid for him to bed higher-class ladies when he already has a princess to marry. Getting too involved with too many women without the personal power to back it up should their husbands find out has been the downfall of many would-be scheming Lotharios in the Empire.
     
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  20. Kipeci Magister

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    Just how is everyone intending to gain power in a foreign land, again? It'd be one thing if we were fully Ean and could go one man army and annihilate their nonsense, but we can only push a few things with our mind for right now. We only got this chance in the empire due to help from extremely shady individuals, noble blood, and managing to make the emperor feel guilty after going through immense personal sacrifices... all of which we're apparently just going to flush straight down the toilet so we can go somewhere else.

    Exactly how do we plan to influence Free Scania or Russian tribes/whatever else? We don't even know their languages, except for possibly some of what's going on in Scania. We're probably not going to be able to pull a Tsar Stephen the Little here.
     
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  21. Baltika9 Arcane

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    C is an extremely long-term gamble. Our exile won't be a matter of months, but years. If not decades. All this time will be spent making sure Dio uses all his talents to maximum effect, so that when he comes back, nothing will be able to stop him.
    If we don't do that, then it will have been a waste of time.
    Also, anyone else think that Thorogood was thinking about Dio the whole "Bad to the Bone" song?
     
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  22. Kipeci Magister

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    So, by your own thoughts going with C will depend entirely on KKKodexian democracy to go for the most effective schemes and not screw up for years so as not to have been a waste of time that screwed us over?
    What could possibly go wrong?
     
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  23. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Yep. :smug:

    Indeed, whatever could?
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  24. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    But you have to put the pieces together first, and there's no reason to do so, nor will it be easy. You're forgetting that we're one of countless courtiers, we're not the sole person with a connection to Aodh, I am sure there are many others who would have a reason for offing him, we're amongst the least likely as it is, all seemingly noble and good as we are. All scrutiny will not be focused on us. It's not like the investigators are going to think "Hmm, if I recall Aodh didn't feel easy around Dio. Dio has dead relatives. Therefore he must be the murderer!"

    Yes, a lot of attention and jealousy will be focused on us, but we're a political dynamo, only the unexpected occurrence of being in close contact with a spy who has super telepathy powers lead to us slipping, we can prepare for this easily enough if we're successful in removing Aodh from the picture. How we are to remove him I'm not sure, B1 and B2 may work just as well as A2, if not better. I'd be in favour of risking any of those. Regardless, there's not many dots to connect, we're a brilliant actor and the few things connecting us to the murders are provinces away. Our position is insecure, true, but we should be attempting to secure it, not running away to exile at the first sign of resistance.
     
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  25. oscar Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I get more of a scheming Machiavelli vibe than a suave ladies man
     
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