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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    And be well supplied to squash Tamur. I like it! Flopping to Baltikan A3
     
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  2. Esquilax Arcane

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    This is getting ridiculous. You guys simply are not thinking one step ahead, exactly the same sort of stupid shit that cost us Chapter 6. It would be too big of a concession for the Concordiat, Baltika9, even though the idea sounds nice. Zhang already said that he would try other things if we refuse him or offer him a bad deal, and he'll do exactly that if we ask for gunpowder tech. Remember that he has other avenues of doing things if we refuse a deal or if he finds our deal unsuitable.

    The only way I could see something like this working is with a concession of our own, Even then, it seems unlikely:

    Considering how unstable the north is at the moment, I'm not sure how feasible this would be. If one of the rebel Emperors like Jannik Inge control the mines in the north, then delivering this prototype to the Concordiat would be unlikely.

    But that's my point, if you're so concerned with finding out Zhang's motivations in the Labyrinth, then interrogate him (C) or tell him you're unwilling to bargain with him under his terms and send the Watchers to figure out what he's after (B). Or do as I suggested and arrange a marriage between our friend and a Tamurian princess so we can infiltrate the area more easily and find out what he wanted in the Labyrinth afterward. Even if we bring the princess here and our influence is reduced, we can still send a Watcher or two under the pretense of diplomacy.

    Also, t's not about whether it would be pointless knowledge in the Labyrinth or not, of course it's important - it's whether we'll be able to actually come out on top if we're in there. Considering it's a Labyrinth that is probably full of undead (I believe my speculation here is reasonable), and that Zhang seems rather untrustworthy guy to be guiding us within the Labyrinth, I don't like our odds inside a place like the Labyrinth with only two Watchers in the vicinity and little in the way of fighting abilities ourselves. This guy is not Ean, and you should stop thinking like Ean. I mean, I guess we could make it and telepathy would at least allow us to figure out if he's lying or telling the truth to us about certain things, but this is really not Dio's natural environment and we really ought to be avoiding combat

    Could we not stall Zhang in some way? Yes, he's stated that he has ways of getting inside the Labyrinth, but we really ought to have our soldier buddy with us. I'd prefer to get word to him, then explore the Labyrinth with our friend to deal with any physical threats, and Dio to use his telepathy to deal with any possible subterfuge from Zhang. However, this might understandably take too long. treave, is our friend in Ankida - would it take long to get word to him and bring him back to Crete?

    In any case, I think that diplomacy with the aim of figuring out his intentions in the future is the most realistic option we have. I'm sticking with my vote.
     
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  3. treave Arcane Patron

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    Zhang's going to do it tonight, if you're willing. He might wait for a day, but that's about it. The man has his own schedule and motives. Also, the soldier isn't in Ankida right now, he's off in Rus chasing the madman. He is not part of the resources you have on hand, which as of now would be:

    1) Your wits and powers
    2) Two watchers
    3) 300 man garrison of Crete should you need the governor to mobilize them (huge maybe).
     
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  4. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    You guys need to stop thinking the soldiers as a extension of Dio. He is a player in this emperor/shard business just like us.
    Marrying him of to tamurian princess will give power to him, not us. We may get little credit for pulling it off, but that's it.

    We have no idea what is inside the labyrinth and no idea why Zhang wants to go there. I'm still not convinced that we should deal with him. He said he has other ways he could try to open the door but would he really tell the truth if we were his only hope? And even if he has other ways, well, look at the option A2. I don't think treave put it there just to tempt us and then turn us down, that is the price Zhang is willing to pay.

    So if you guys really want to deal, you should come up with something good. Getting our 'buddy' laid and and sending a couple of spies to neighboring country, not even to Concordiat, is a really bad deal.
     
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  5. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    Let's see if I got this right. Island, check. Untrustworthy guy, check. Labyrinth full of undead, check. Fighting skill, nope. "You see a door. You think there is lots of zombies behind the door. Untrustworthy guy wants you to open the door. Do you open the door?" (Y/N)

    Yes. Of course. What could go wrong?
     
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  6. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Esquilax: it's just that Dio's strength lies in negotiation and diplomacy and we've done nothing but fortify that skill. So, it's about time, I think, to negotiate. Sure, we'll have to put something else on the table, but the end result of breaking a scientific stalemate will benefit us in both long and short terms.

    We immediately will be able to manufacture and arm our musketeers with rifles and begin training new ones, giving us the upper hand with unsurrections and the pretenders.

    And we will benefit in the long term by bridging the armament gap between us and tye Concordiat.

    Very risky, but I think it's worth it.

    Will flop to avoid the labirynth, though.

    Edit: Proposing a new plan. A3: Negotiate for Chinese rifle technology, making concessions only if absolutely necessary. Bottom line: get the tech at any cost, but as cheaply as possible.

    Edit 2: basicaly, I see an opportunity here to do something that has not been done before: win the Adeptus Scholasticus by giving them the equivalent of HEVANZ and win over the Prince by giving him more dakka. The military should react favorably, too.
     
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  7. Computer Gamer Refugee Learned

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    Project: Eternity

    Sorry for the derailment, but what I really think we need is a wheelbarrow, and perhaps a holocaust cloak.
     
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  8. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Furthermore, we have something in this negotiation that no other diplomat has had before: this guy needs Dio's personal help to do something. That is already a point in our favor. And whatever other plans for opening the door he has, they must be a great deal more unpleasant/risky if his first(?) action is to ask an Immortal, of all things.
    Once we get Dio into negotiations, we can use our psychic powers to make the best deal possible with him, with as few concessions as possible.

    And this
    is what our Watchers are here for. No one need even know.

    Asking for peace and princesses is a very good idea, it just seems too easy a a task for someone like The Dio.

    Edit: treave, how much longer do we have to vote? Also, any hints on my plan being at all doable?
    Tigranes, if your option wins, at least amend it to take some hundred soldiers with you inside.
     
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  9. treave Arcane Patron

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    I will keep the voting open until there is no more active discussion. Basically once everyone's chilling about talking about tentacle sex or other stuff irrelevant to the update that's my cue to end the vote.
     
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  10. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    m4davis A1
    TOME B
    Azira A1
    Helly C
    Storyfag Baltikan
    Esquilax Esquilaxian
    Bloodshifter A1
    Newcomer Esquilaxian Tigranian
    Tigranes Esquilaxian Tigranian
    Arpad Tigranian
    Baltika9 Baltikan


    A1 - 3, B - 1, C - 1, Baltikan - 2, Esquilaxian - 1, Tigranian - 3
     
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  11. Baltika9 Arcane

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    TOME, there is only one Baltikan suggestion and that is A4. Or the Baltikan A3, if you will. ;)
    I just put it under another number, for comfort.

    Edit: fine, Baltikan A3.
     
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  13. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    Stygian Lurker, which A3? There is Baltikan, Esquilaxian and Tigranian A3 at the moment. And you are welcome to come up with your own A3 too.
     
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  14. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    Baltika9, we need to use same naming principles to every proposal. I think you should make a new proposal, just so that it can be named for Baltikan II. It would have clearly a superior name compared to Tigranian and Esquilaxian.;)

    But anyway, since B isn't going to win, I might just well cast my vote to the best deal. Flopping to Baltikan A3.
     
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  15. Esquilax Arcane

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    First, there is no "shard" business. The memory we had recently was a false one, so it's quite likely that the various people claiming to be Ean aren't Ean at all. Second, it will give him power, but one hand washes the other. He is our close ally at the moment, and he's naive, so any help/power we provide him will be greeted warmly. You are right that Zhang could be lying, though. treave, did Dio notice anything off when Zhang claimed that he had other ways of getting into the Labyrinth?

    You're also correct that we should ask for as much as we could reasonably take. However, I still believe that asking for the secrets of Chinese weaponry is too much and they won't go for it. It also doesn't solve the problem of nullifying Tamur as a threat - they'd still attack Shin'ar with Baltika's plan. However, I do think that some sort of compromise is in order. How about this something like this?

    Esquilax-Baltika Concordiat: Ask for the invasion to be halted. But also, ask for Zhang to smuggle in a shipment of Concordiat firearms into Ankida with the help of your connections with the Merchant's Guild and the city's underground. You would use the weapons to bolster the Soldier's (what is this dude's name?) forces and give the Empire an edge against the rebellious cultists in the northern parts of the Empire. With the border secure against Tamur, you could focus more on internal threats.

     
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  16. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Goddammit, now I am confused. The first one was just suggesting the idea. For now, there isn't a Second Baltikan Initiative.
     
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  17. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Esquilax: I think the plan should be called the Esquilax-Baltikan Concordiat.

    :troll:
     
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  18. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    FFS, so many flipflops.

    Flopping to Esquilax II, as it has the greatest chance of success. Editing previous posts be damned!
     
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  19. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    Esquilax, there is some "shard" business. We don't know what it is yet, but still something is going on and the soldier is one of the players.

    Esquilax-Baltika Concordiat is a good plan, but I still have doubt about giving the weapons for the soldier. He might just be playing nice buddy while we build him a power base. We shouldn't trust him blindly just because we chose to approach to him. But if we give the weapons to someone else, who preferably is on our leash, then I would vote for it.
     
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  20. treave Arcane Patron

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    You don't think Zhang is lying about having other ways.
     
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  21. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Flopping to the Esquilax-Baltikan Concordiat, editing previous posts be damned!

    Which makes it three in favor, nullifying our previous proposals, and tying us with the Tigranian and A1 blocs.

    Esquilax: [​IMG]


    Give it to the scholars, they should worship us for that.

    Second Coming of Ean Shulgi, indeed.
     
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  22. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    I might just as well. Flopping to Esquilax-Baltikan Concordiat including possible revisions which might or might not come while I'm sleeping.
     
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  23. Baltika9 Arcane

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    And that puts us in the lead. However, we'd better have a couple of guard squads standing by when we open the damned thing and the palace on high alert. There's a million and one ways this can go wrong.

    Now that we've settled the important things, everyone ready to start discussing tentacle sex?
     
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  24. Bloodshifter Educated

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    Flopping to Esquilax-Baltikan Concordiat

    Using our Contacts in the underground to give the Empire an edge seems well enough we can only hope that our silver tongue is well polished to pull this off...
     
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  25. Baltika9 Arcane

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    :smug:
    Pity the Emissary isn't female. Thre's a certain negotiation I am dying to try out.

    ...fuck, I hope Sek isn't dead. Say it ain't so, treave. Say it ain't so. :(
     
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