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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. treave Arcane Patron

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    No, not really.
     
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  2. Azira Arcane Patron

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    Mwahahah! This is precious! Ohyes. So if Skarfeld knew about some kind of telepathic link being established by the consuming of flesh/part of the body, maybe he wanted us to give Inge Lamplocks eyes to keep us from being under Inge's thumb? Oh the irony, if Dio's selflessness landed him in a greater mess. :lol:

    I definitely get devourer/gieloth vibe off of Inge. Voting for B seems lulzy and might very well blow up in our face. If the voice is legit though, it might be just the right thing to do.. I'm not quite sure yet what to vote though.
     
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  3. Ganymede Learned

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    First off, it's pretty clear this fat cunt isn't a shard of Ean, so we can put that theory to bed. Before anyone claims it's his hunger, Ean's hunger was always associated with righteousness and fury, qualities that seem to be lacking here. He could be a Gielroth, but highly eccentric leader of a violent revolt doesn't fit the Gielroth modus operandi. Could always be a barmy tentacle like Minos or Marduk, but if so then we're fucked no matter what. I suspect something else is up...

    That almost sounds like the wolf is the source of the blinding power, not fatass. Also:

    Definitely sounds like Fenrir is the serious player here. Of course that's not to dismiss lardass' obvious elemental control. Though now that I think about it he's never specified as the source, our telepathy is overwhelmed instantly by "A being of great power from within." Still,

    John Goodman isn't a pushover. With this being the case I can't help but think B is a fucking retarded option. The only way an effete, half-blind nobleman could survive hacking away at a much more powerful immortal and his fanatical cult and escape intact is by divine intervention. And the moment you start planning for Deus ex Machina is the moment it doesn't show up. I can appreciate that it's not cynical metagaming though, we want Ean back because Dio just doesn't have the chops to carry a story solo (unsympathetic protag + 0 supporting characters or foils = decline).

    With all that said, I would vote A1. Anything else other than B is a half-measure. Though if we do go with B I recommend taking a swipe at the wolf instead of Inge. All of a sudden there's all this Norse symblosim floating about, and there sits motherfucking Fenrir? It's no coincidence.
     
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  4. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    Guys, stop freaking out about Inge eating our eye. The fatass simply shares Ean's hunger and eating other sentients (or parts of them) explains why he's a great deal stronger than we are. I wouldn't presume the act gave him any more control over us than he already had.

    Now, as far as voting goes, I like the sound of B. However it's not very Dio-ish. I have, therefore, formulated a cunning plan!

    A4 - explain to the fatass, that delivering a false hand to the Royal Family will upset them into attacking the cult, while showing a very much intact Prince to the general public later will discredit the Skanian royalty greatly. Bait and switch 101.
     
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  5. Esquilax Arcane

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    Great post, Ganymede. That's a really interesting interpretation of the events, and you're right that we ought to think more about Fenrir's role here. It's very plausible that this guy is not the real power here - we know that there are plenty of immortals out there that are great shapeshifters, Ean just happens to not be one of them. I find it really interesting that John Goodman only was able to figure out our name after petting Fenrir seemingly absentmindedly. That passage you highlighted seems to imply that it was Fenrir that read our minds and figured out our name and then transmitted that knowledge to Goodman.

    However, maybe Fenrir isn't the enemy here. Maybe he's the one talking to us right now and he's looking for just the right moment/distraction courtesy of Dio to finally take Fatass out of the picture for good. Your interpretation of events seems to imply that he's a good telepath, so maybe he's sending us a message right now. Perhaps he couldn't kill Fatass earlier because the opportunity hadn't presented itself before, and now it has with our presence.

    Storyfag, functionally, your plan is pretty much the same as A1. It's still equally morally reprehensible (you're still chopping off some poor kid's arm either way, it just happens not to be the rich kid's arm in this case) and it actually makes the cultists look even better than A1 would. He also said that it was important that Prince Dagrun's hand be sent to his family because the Prince's hand has a birthmark that the parents would recognize. The guy even said "Fakes backfire easily. I will not take that risk...", so he won't go for it.
     
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  6. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    Oh noes. Will our Karma Meter go down? Will we get Renegade Points? We're fucking Diogenes Camna, THE morally reprehensible character here. A veritable crossing of Anthony Sommers and Edmund Blackadder.

    That is my present intention. We shall see whether it lasts.
     
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  7. treave Arcane Patron

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    This is probably true, though with regards to the named supporting characters it is partially because the plot demands that events go on elsewhere in the world which they need to participate in, and partially because I made the mistake of killing off his family too soon. I must admit the narrative has been unfocused for now, but rest assured things will tighten up as we approach the climax of the chapter and I tie up all the loose ends that are floating about.

    This shouldn't end up like the previous chapter did. I hope.

    ...you're not my alt, are you?
     
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  8. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    I'm inclined to listen to the voice(s). It would be a huge gamble, but it took Inge only a couple of seconds to figure Dio out. So I don't think we can wait for a better opportunity, it might never come.

    Voting B, because of the meta about voices.
     
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  9. Azira Arcane Patron

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    Dio's certainly extreme enough to start following voices. He just plucked out his own eye, did he not? :roll:
     
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  10. Baltika9 Arcane

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    To quote Azira, "Ruh-roh."

    The bottom line here is this: we're locked in a dark room, we are likely to be eaten by a grue. We hear a voice of unknown origins.
    Dio is a cunning and ruthless sociopath, anything but effette, so I am confident that when it comes time to strike, he will do so without hesitation. Whether or not it makes a difference is another matter entirely.
    We have a shot of telekinesis charged and ready to go. Whether or not it will help us is another matter entirely.
    This voice may or may not bail us. We are hoping that it will.

    This makes me hopeful:
    The possibility that it is a new Voice or Ean's fragment makes me hopeful. Treave's quote does not.
    Honestly, we're about to charge someone who apparently outlevels us by a shitton.

    If curiosity killed the cat, I'm the one who opened the window. Holding to B.
    Edit: the wolf is a Master! :eek:
     
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    B
     
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    One of these days the gambles will backfire, but it is not this day. This day you hit the jackpot (if you count losing an eye and suffering multiple painful burns worth whatever it is you get in return).

    ***

    Chapter 7.14: The Wolf's Question

    The axe was in a chest, lying among other assorted tools of a decidedly sharp and terrible nature. You could guess what they were for. You grasp the wooden handle and lift the instrument of chopping up. It was hefty in your hands. As you take a swing or two for practice, you head back towards Jannik and the servile young prince. Keeping your emotions tightly under control, you nonchalantly whip the axe at Jannik's neck - at least, where his head met his body. To your slight surprise, it hits home, biting deep into the great rolls of fat with little resistance. Blood spatters over you and red froth gurgles from Jannik's lips. His eyes roll back upwards into his head. Thinking it was over, you relax your grip on the axe slightly. You are immediately proved wrong as a stream of fire sprays from Jannik's outstretched hands and sets you alight. You scream and fall backwards, dropping to the floor to smother the flames.

    With a deep, low groan akin to that of an angry bull, Jannik rises to his feet swiftly, surprisingly nimble for his bulk. His eyes were blood red in the light of the fire. He charges at you, fists raised, his footsteps thundering on the wooden floor. Panicking, you focus your telekinesis on his feet and trip him with a well aimed attack. Jannik stumbles, takes another step, and trips - falling right onto you. Unable to move away in time, you are crushed beneath his massive body. The flab flows over your face, smothering your nose and mouth. He struggles to get up, rolling to and fro over you. As you scrabble to get away from under him, your hand finds a grip on the axe still stuck in him. Using it as leverage, you pull and push with all your might. With a wet, tearing noise, it jerks free of the soft flesh it had been mired in, spraying more blood and fat all over you. At the same time, you kick away with your feet. Jannik's body tumbles to the side, his throat grinning widely. A watery bubbling noise arose from the cavity under his multiple chins.

    You gasp for breath, trying to grasp what had just happened. It had happened so quickly in just a few seconds. At any time now you expect Skarfeld to burst in, but he never does so. As the minutes tick by, the realization set in that you had single-handedly killed the man terrorizing the entire kingdom of Skane. This would do wonders for your reputation; you could not resist the smile that begins to spread across your lips.

    "Ah, and I was so looking forward to having my hand cut off too." complains Prince Dagrun. "The pain would have been exquisite..."

    The smile dies on your face.

    "I guess you win the bet. That wasn't very fun, Fenrir."

    The wolf nods, as if understanding Dagrun.

    You might want to repair Jannik before the damage is permanent, young prince.

    This time it was unmistakeable - the wolf is the one talking to you in your mind.

    "Yes, yes, I know. I'm getting to it. Since you've won, you can do with this brother of mine as you wish. Pity, I was looking forward to having fun with him. You really don't play fair, you lying wolf. I really wanted to lose my hand just like you said the First Emperor did."

    Oh, I did not expect this outcome too. It was a long shot, even by my reckoning.

    The wolf seemed amused, while the prince was slightly upset at having lost whatever bet they had. You sat there, in pain with burns all over and your empty eye socket a stabbing pain in your skull, and grit your teeth. For the first time, you appreciated the irony of your recent life. You, who thought of others as nothing more than tools for your ascent, have been used and misused thoroughly by various powers beyond your comprehension. One day they would rue toying with your fate, but until then, you would just have to manage the best you can. You stagger to your feet, the axe grasped firmly in your hands. Hurt, tired and confused, your prided control over your emotions was cracking. Glancing at the prince, who was humming while holding together Jannik's gaping throat wound, you raised the axe above your head. Before your eyes Jannik's wound mended, the flesh knitting itself back together underneath the prince's slender fingers.

    I think it would be better not to, Diogenes Camna.

    Before you knew it, the giant wolf had padded silently to your side, his nose sniffing at your burns.

    Come, walk with me.

    It was coached as an order, not a request. Turning, he walked to the door and waited. It takes a while for you, in your wounded state, to realize that he was waiting for the door to be opened. You do it for him and limp out after the wolf. Skarfeld stood besides the door, not seeming to notice you or the wolf. As the two of you make your way down the stairs, you find that the other cultists were the same, paying you no attention.

    You must have many questions. To be honest, I didn't think I would have to answer them so soon, but here you are. About Prince Dagrun -

    "The prince is like me, isn't he?" you mutter.

    Ah, you are as smart as the previous one I met. That is a relief. Jannik too is a similar existence to you, and all of you are an existence related to me. Of course, I am immeasurably stronger.

    There was just a hint of arrogance and pride in the wolf's tone. It was a statement of fact, and you knew it was true - the sense of power enveloping you had accompanied you out of the room, and it was now clear that the wolf was responsible.

    "If you had just wanted to speak to me, you need only make an appointment. Such theatre was not required."

    If you think I have planned all this, you are sorely mistaken. I merely play the role of Dagrun and Jannik's confidante. Dagrun is the one with a love for vicious, childish plots. I'm afraid I outgrew those many, many years ago. Convoluted schemes have their time and place, but it is something Dagrun has not yet learned.

    "I find it hard to believe that a mere boy, even if he is a prince, is responsible for the same cult that ravages his homeland."

    He's not just any boy. You said it yourself; he's just like you. Of course, he has some rather self-defeating quirks of personality, despite his intelligence.

    "You're going to say that I have it too, right?"

    Why, you read my mind.

    You did not think it was possible for a wolf, of all creatures, to actually grin, but you saw it with your own eyes as the lupine snout peeled back to bare fangs in a ghastly imitation of a human smile.

    At any rate, I have won my bet and will bestow upon you a reward for escaping the smothering blanket of those great rolls of fat. Knowledge seems appropriate."

    "Trust a dog to talk about knowledge when power is all they know. You would not be here if you did not have the power to back it up."

    You also did not think it was possible for a wolf to sneer, but he did so, somehow.

    You may be right, but you will find that I am decidedly undoglike in behaviour, should you have the time to know me better. Regardless, you have walked brazenly into my sights and that means I can no longer leave you be. Trust me when I tell you that knowledge will help you more than power.

    There was a subtle tightening around your throat, and you knew that your life or death was firmly in the wolf's paws. You put on your most appealing tone of voice.

    "You have my ears, Master Wolf... or should I call you Fenrir?"

    The wolf barked and shrugged.

    Fenrir is fine. You have no need of false pretense before me, by the way. It's horrendously pointless - you're like an open book.

    "It's good to know I don't need to give a damn about your feelings then."

    The wolf ignored your not-giving-a-damn.

    A single question. Perhaps rationing my knowledge will help you appreciate it better. I will allow you to phrase a single question in ten words, and I will answer it as best as I can. I think I need not warn you about the dangers of knowing too much, though; it is something you have already realized for yourself. Of course, you might want to chance that risk. I care not.

    Ask your question.
     
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  14. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Oh, like it hasn't already many, many times before.
    Too bad I didn't make a request for Dio to scream "MAXIMUM FUCK!" in time...the future that could have been...
     
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  15. Baltika9 Arcane

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    As for the question: "The fuck's going on here? Help a bro out, bro."
    These exact words.
     
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  16. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    "Are you Shulgi?"
     
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  17. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I've got a better one: "Are you my mommy?"
    :troll:

    Despite this, I seriously doubt Fenrir is Ean. For one, he can't shapeshift. And the personality does not fit.
    Reminds me of Sekhenun and her Children, actually:
    And the personality of Fenrir would fit with that of Sekhenun: behind the scenes, adviser and expert manipulator/scientist.
     
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  18. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    Okay, serious question here. "What must I do to triumph against all my rivals?" It's best to ask for optimum action rather than take a wild guess on what would be valuable knowledge for us, since he'd be answering based upon the sum of his knowledge which we won't have access to regardless.

    And I do think Fenrir could be Shulgi based on a couple of things.

    1. His extreme power
    2. His confession that he used to be prone to wild scheming and plotting behind the scenes

    It's not enough to really identify him, but enough to hint at his origin. It makes sense that thousands of years might have curbed his megalomania.
     
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  19. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    Hmm, how about:

    "What's your angle here?"
     
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  20. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    What happened to Ean?

    Until we know what's really going on here we will be continually manipulated by those with more knowledge than us.

    edit: on second thought, Smashing Axe is probably right. We can't afford to guess at what knowledge is valuable or not.
    "What must I do to triumph against all my rivals?"
     
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  21. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Bros, this is how I see the situation: the Empire has ill-wishers on all it's fronts and secessionists from within, and has a definite risk of falling apart. I'm not sure we really stopped this cult, Aodh apparently was here as well and that changed nothing
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    We're also extremely interested in bringing Ean back/reforming him/finding out what happened to him: it's pointless. Ean is not the crux of the matter right now, the Empire is.

    What does make sense is to ask for the source of our other supernatural problems, like the worsening weather and the undead, or about the origins of Dio and Fenrir, or about the Concordiat, or "What's going on here, help a bro out."

    What makes even more sense, to me at least, is to ask him this: How to restore the Empire's integrity and end the secessionists?(@treave, can he/she/it answer this kind of question, or will we have to find out on our own?) This makes sense given our situation and can work from Dio's perspective as well: he's securing his power bases, which are the Empire and RK-47.

    He might not know everything, but every little bit helps.
     
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  22. m4davis Scholar

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    it could be possible that fenrir is anbar-shi as for the question I don't trust myself to make a good decision there so I will leave it to the people who are good at this
     
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  23. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    This is good. And has a rationalisation suitable for Dio. Before flipflopping, however, I want to hear the opinion of the beast with the body of a rabbit and the head of... a rabbit.
     
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  24. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Come, Esquilax!

    On a more serious note, we can also find out what happened to Ean's companions.
     
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  25. Esquilax Arcane

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    I feel asking about taking out our rivals is kinda petty and it could be a waste - we've just uncovered that the world is much larger and filled with powers beyond our comprehension thus far, so asking for tips on how to beat our comparatively far weaker rivals seems like a serious waste. If we ask a question, it must be related to cosmic conspiracies of the non-human side of the world that Dio is a complete novice in dealing with.

    Wasting this opportunity on petty power plays would be unwise, especially since I believe we're in a pretty good position to take out our rivals anyways. Our reputation will have increased from this tenfold, so we can use that as leverage against Aodh. Secondly, we've got Ban in our pocket and he's off in Rus with a huge army and shiny new guns to capture the madman, so we've got that covered as well. Plus we just beat Dagrun at this little game he was playing. We've got the mundane stuff covered, so let's focus on the cosmic, so knowledge in areas we're unfamiliar with is what we need.

    As for whether it's Shulgi, it would certainly make sense based on his personality. But whoever Fenrir is, it's certainly the same immortal that was responsible for giving Ean all that tech so many years ago. Aodh was on assignment in the north at the beginning of the story, so he most likely met with Fenrir at the beginning of the story and obtained some knowledge that way.

    So if I were to ask a question of the wolf, it would be something about the nature of the universe and how it relates to our problems here. We should also milk that ten word limit for all it's worth. Here are my initial brainstorming ideas:

    1) What are my origins, and how do they involve Ean? Asking this would really clear up a lot of the mystery about whether our memories and how real they are, whether the immortals are all shards of Ean, etc.This was the first question we were curious about at the beginning of the story:

    2) What is behind Shinar's troubles, and how is Ean involved? This should cover the cosmic end of our problems, from the undead rising in Knossos, to the weather that has been plaguing us. I have a feeling that Fenrir may have been the one causing the bad weather in the first place.

    Right now, I'm going for 1). Knowing Dio's true origins could reveal a lot of things to us.
     
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