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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. treave Arcane Patron

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    He can answer it, but when asking him a question along the lines of 'what should I do', bear in mind that you are asking for advice and that's what you'll be getting. A walkthrough, in other words, to a certain end.
     
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  2. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Esquilax: in that case, we may as well ask where the hell is Ean and when will he return. Or how to speed said return up.

    We can get as much knowledge of ourselves and the cosmic as we want, but it doesn't help us with our current and future troubles of people wanting to fuck us and the empire up.

    But your 1 is very attractive.

    Edit: treave, can we use this little cheat: What are my origins, how are You and Ean involved?
     
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  3. treave Arcane Patron

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    Why do you call it a cheat?
     
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  4. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Substituting a comma for "and." But, if it's not a cheat, then that would be my new vote.
     
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  5. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Wait just a goddamned second here.
    And the plot chart treave provided before Olympus would have triggered the "War in The North" only if we set the "Shulgi" flag.

    Fenrir is Shulgi! So, he decided to play Illuminati.

    Edit: where is everyone? newcomer, Bloodshifter, ScubaV, get in here.
     
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  6. Baltika9 Arcane

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    treave: do the legends of the First Emperor mention any of our bros (Edem, Sek, Athena and Artemis?) If yes, does Dio know of those legends?
     
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  7. treave Arcane Patron

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    I always toyed with the idea that Shulgi was behind Skane and it's rise, and the fall of Skane meant Naram. But it could be that Shulgi got ûber powerful and decided to fuck that shit.

    Wait a second...

    If Fenrir really has outgrown all the plotting and schemes, why did it make a bet with Dagrun and influence the outcome?

    As for the vote/question, I side with the unholy alliance of Baltika9 and Esquilax. But do we really need to know Dio's origins? I was thinking more along the lines like "What are you, how are you and Ean involved to me?" but it got 11 words so if anyone can't reword it, I'm good with the original.

    What are my origins, how are You and Ean involved?
     
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  9. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    Yes, this^
     
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  11. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Be warned, bros, that I am not sure which will benefit us more: storyfaggotry or meta. Origins are all well and good, but they won't really help us settle the Empire's troubles. Then again, it's story. Story is always good.

    That's just cute.
    Oh, Sek... where art thou?:(

    Edit: just so you know, Esquilax has another option. What is behind Shinar's troubles, how can I solve them?
     
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  12. Esquilax Arcane

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    Well, since I brought up the question, I guess I ought to explain my rationale behind it. I believe that learning our own origins (i.e. Dio's childhood memories before he was adopted by Velius Camna) will uncover the reason for the presence of all of these immortals claiming to be Ean. It might reveal why we've been saddled with these fake memories and how our immortality is related to both Ean and to Fenrir. This would grant us general knowledge on the overall situation and allow Dio to get a picture of overall events. Sure, it wouldn't be the "I win" button that specific metaknowledge would provide, but I'm hoping it would give us enough general knowledge to steer the chapter to an outcome that would be most favourable to Dio, Ean, and the Empire. Asking a specific question like "How can I defeat my rivals?" or "How will I acquire Ean's power?" will give us a ton of valuable info and guarantee a favourable outcome for Dio, but it won't really improve the state of the Empire or tell us about what's really going on.

    As for my second proposed question, it would be more along the lines of metagaming, while also shedding light on the overall situation a bit as well. Ideally, this would tell us why the Concordiat wanted to access the Labyrinth at Crete (as well as maybe telling us a bit about the undead there too), and it would tell us the cause of the weather issues (though I have a feeling Fenrir might be responsible for that, given his great power). Also, it might reveal Ean's true connection to the various immortals claiming to be him, though likely not as much as my first question would.

    Fenrir's disdain for Dagrun's scheming wasn't out of some sort of morality, he doesn't like Dagrun's scheming because it's petty and ineffective. So his complaint with the Prince is simply that he ought to get better at the whole plotting and scheming thing. As for why he made the bet and then influenced the outcome, maybe to give Dagrun the illusion of control? Fenrir likes working from the shadows.

    treave, is Diogenes quite sure that his Watchers are also unaware of his origins as well? It would suck pretty hard to ask the wolf a question that we can easily find through mundane means.

    Also, has Diogenes managed to discover anything further about what our Watchers know?
     
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  13. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Well, I'm at a conference in Disney World, of all places, so have been away. Good to see that we realised the only sensible options were A1 and B, and that our gamble paid off... sort of. Even though it doesn't make sense to me that we've 'outwitted' Dagrun, since the boy ends up with little harm done to his little Skane ruse and we've lost a freaking eye. So, we have to make sure that out of this entire trip North and the loss of an eye, at elast we'll have the reward of Fenrir's wisdom. I mean, they'll just revive Jannik Inge as a puppet, right? So we won't even get any credit for that.

    Esquilax's questions make sense to me, though treave could obviously troll us for Q1 - "You were born under ordinary circumstances, and thus neither I nor Ean were involved." Great. Q2 guarantees relevant answers with long-term benefits, and tells us a lot more about what we should do right now as well.

    Esquilaxian Q2: What is behind Shinar's troubles, and how is Ean involved?
     
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  14. Bloodshifter Educated

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    Only reason I have yet to join in on the debate is because you guys are missing a vital point we have here a open question yet no one has asked the most important question to this CYOA.

    What is the constraints and requirements to return/revive *either one* Ean? (9 words 10 if you do both revive and return)

    Solving our past is next as well as discovering shugi's reason to assist in our collecive revival is good but if he KNOWS how to bring us back to life *and come on its shugi then he should know at least something failing that.

    The status of Ean's Gieloth pals and China's Gialoth tree
     
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  15. treave Arcane Patron

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    Why don't you ask Fenrir that? :troll:


    You guys voted not to know everything the Watchers know, then played it even safer by keeping away from Aodh at every opportunity. :lol: It's not to say that Diogenes is unsure whether his Watchers are aware of his origins - their behaviour indicates they must know at least something, but how much do they really know? You can't determine that until after question time with the wolf is over.

    I wouldn't do that. :rpgcodex:
     
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  16. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Oh, so we can meta, eh?

    In that case, why not ask how to find our old crew and get their support?
    We will be unstoppable! Unstoppable, I say!
     
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  17. Esquilax Arcane

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    We don't even know if Ean's old crew is still alive. They can't support us if they're dead, now can they? There's speculation that Joan in Gallia might be Athena, (given the possibility that Fenrir is Shulgi, it seems plausible) but Aodh is with her.

    Now that you mention it, this does seem like knowledge that someone else like our Watchers or Aodh would be privy to. Piecing together previous updates seems to indicate this somewhat:

    Because this indicates to me that we could probably dredge some of this info from our Watchers. treave, can we "cheat" by using contractions in a sentence? I wonder how much of a grammar Nazi Fenrir is. If that's the case, then the question we should ask is the following:

    What's behind Shinar's troubles, how are you and Ean involved?

    Or, haha,

    What is the sum total of all my rival's knowledge?

    This wouldn't grant any knowledge that nobody has, but it would make Diogenes the most knowledgeable person overall. He would have the info that Aodh, the madman, Joan and Dagrun are all aware of, allowing him to have the clearest picture overall. I like this one the best. I'm assuming that everyone has bits and pieces of jigsaw puzzle that is Ean's whereabouts and the Empire's mysterious past, but this would grant us everything that everyone knows. It would be worth losing an for. Fenrir told us that he would grant us knowledge to the best of his ability on whatever we asked him, so this seems fair.

    So, I'm voting for

    What's behind Shinar's troubles, how are you and Ean involved?
     
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  18. treave Arcane Patron

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    First, you might want to define rivals. Fenrir could be a rival, in a way - a future obstacle to Dio.

    Second, since your question is awfully vague (it doesn't refer to what type of knowledge, you might get pages of Joan's Best Recipes), Dio is going to die of hunger before Fenrir finishes talking. :lol:

    I mean, I have nothing against giving out info, it's just that that question is going to lead to one hell of an infodump that might take me a couple of weeks to complete. If you guys are patient enough, that's fine with me.
     
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  19. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    What must I do to reign supreme over this world?

    I think this option has well defined parameters, and although he could still do a literal genie screw-over, I don't think he will. Let's be megalomaniacs, let's seize power and conquer our way to the stars! It's what Dio deserves.
     
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  20. Hmm. We all seem to be focused on getting the most info out of him as possible. Let's not forget about his warning though.

    That's part of what I like about "What must I do to triumph against all my rivals?"

    It gives us knowledge of what we need to do, but if someone reads our mind, they won't necessarily be helped by it as it is specific to us. If we gain near total knowledge of the situation, we risk empowering our mind reading rivals with knowledge they would have otherwise not had access to...

    Still, your question is a pretty good one, E. (Of course, that's assuming he answers it and doesn't just say something along the lines of "I can't tell you everything your rivals know, that's not specific enough!"...) Ah, treave beat me to it...
     
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  21. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    I think me and you want a similar outcome Lambchop19, I only changed my vote because treave said rivals was too vague a term. To reign supreme over the world we would need to dispatch or deal with our rivals, so it could work. I propose that we vote in favour of either one when the time comes in order to maximise our chance of success.
     
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  22. Yes it's close to what I want, but it's still not specific enough. After all, one could be the supreme ruler of the world...for a time. And then be killed by an old rival shortly thereafter.

    Hey, as long as we're going to get a walkthrough to a specific end...

    What about:
    What must I do to become the fully restored Ean?
     
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  23. Baltika9 Arcane

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    We don't really know if these new Immortals are shards of Ean at all. Fenrir could just as easily say "lololo you wish you could!"
     
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  24. Ok then:
    How can I fully restore Emperor Ean?
     
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  25. Esquilax Arcane

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    Ah, I see. Well, if the second question is too vague and defining Fenrir as a rival would piss him off greatly in the future. I'd rather not anger someone who can kill us with a single thought. Smashing Axe, the problem with your question is, again, it would step on Fenrir's toes. He seems to be the type that wishes to rule from the shadows, and I think we should refrain from digging into any sort of knowledge that would incite his wrath. Also, as Lambchop19 said, that advice might put us on top, but it won't keep us there. It kind of reminds me of how Macbeth could not be harmed by any man born of woman... until Macduff came along and cut his head off. It's also very vague in that reigning supreme over the world would involve a lot of stuff unrelated to Ean and the Empire, such as the Concordiat, who we're pretty ill-equipped to deal with and are irrelevant to our situation at the moment.

    Okay, based on this I've flopped my original post to the question to What's behind Shinar's troubles, how are you and Ean involved? I don't think Lambchop's question is bad either. Nevertheless I think this would give us the fullest picture overall I believe. The first potential question I had was regarding our own orig,ins, but I believe that this is something we might gleam from Aodh or perhaps the madman (provided Ban captures him, which seems likely) on account of his crazed insight

    However, what would really give us a full picture of the puzzle is all the knowledge that the madman, Joan, Aodh, Jannik and Dagrun have regarding Ean and Shinar's troubles. Maybe somebody can phrase this better but perhaps something like: What do the Pretenders know of Ean and Shinar's troubles? This would ideally provide us with the knowledge that all those claiming the mantle of Ean have regarding information about Ean and why the Empire is at a breaking point. Currently, the people claiming to be Emperor are the Madman, Joan and Jannik, so we would know what they know, unless I'm mistaken.

    Nevertheless, I'll stick with my original question at the moment, but I might flop to Lambchop's suggestion if I think about it some more.
     
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