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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I'll go with...B. I really want to see "Popamole" Naram and "FFS" Edem.

    I wonder if Marduk's on board.

    Edit: A.
    Edit 2: B.
     
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  2. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    Never go shopping with two ladies. There is no end to it. And going shopping with AI and who knows what rules? B is the only choice.

    As for the non-christmas choice, I propose that we take those who want to come with us, and quickly organize the rest as a pacifist aid group.
     
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  3. Omicron Scholar

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    B on both choices.
     
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  4. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    A for Christmas Shulgi
     
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  5. B - Naram said he wanted to pick up the sequel to Mass Consequences. I hear they let you import your savegame for double the consequences...

    Edit: and btw, guys - I really feel you are all seriously undervaluing the Yellowstreaks. They may not be powerful as of now, but consider 2 things:
    1. We can train them and with the hunger all they need do to increase their power is feed.
    2. In the entire world there are only 100 successors (as there were only 100 orphans who survived the implantation process). And we just picked up 20 of them willing to serve us.
     
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  6. Baltika9 Arcane

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    True. However, if we wanted to stay here and build them up, the best choice for that was joining up with Joan in the last update. Instead, we traded that in for secrecy and freedom of movement. It was a perk that cost us dearly and we have only one shot tyo use it wisely.

    Spending it on these petty propositions of merc companies and relief groups isn't the wisest way to do that. As oscar said, we have much bigger fish to fry.
     
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  7. Kipeci Magister

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    What exactly is it that you plan on doing when we leave? Where do you plan on going to, what do you intend on doing, and how are you going to accomplish it? I can't quite see how it 'cost us dearly' to forgo signing up as a grunt for that Lady/declaring our Eanhood like the other dozen guys, but it would be a pretty steep cost to just ditch one fifth of the known Successors as they intend on submitting to our leadership to just hope that treave will give us some other opportunity.

    At the very least if you're planning on going, you should contemplate on having at least some follow you. I would think that the mercenary group sort of thing is actually a pretty good idea, since it allows us to pick up military experience and cash, will undoubtedly take us to the people most in need of mercenaries within a short time (that is to say, the big players in this conflict) and the adjoining aid group would build support for us among the common people. Nothing about the idea said that we'd be piddling around in Britannia forever.

    It just seems to me that entering the battleground of the major powers here would be much easier with a fifth of the existing Successors, modern military experience and public sympathy from those we've helped rather than just waltzing in by our lonesome and declaring ourselves Ean just like everyone else.
     
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  8. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I'm not hoping on anything here. Right now, we have two options that we know we will receive: Dio and Dagrun. Both are major players, with quite a legend around them: Dagrun is "TEH EMPRAH'S FAVORED SON!" and Dio is "DIOGENES CAMNA, HERO IF THE IMPERIUM, BANISHER OF THE RUS HORDES AND BEARER OF TEH EMPRAH'S WILL!"
    It will be literally impossile to not hear of them, unless they got offed in these ten ears, which they didn't. The former is backed by Fenrir/Shulgi, the latter is backed by the Sekblade. Both are priority targets and we will benefit immensely from either taking their powers for our own or teaming up with them, not to mention Fenrir/Shulgi.

    As to why I want us to move right now: we have anonymity, no one has yet noticed their hunger and hence hasn't figured out we're up and about. The best way to use this opportunity is to make a bold and completely unexpected move we'd much more problems making otherwise, like taking out one of the major players or acquiring a great deal of personal (directly personal, not agency) power.

    As opposed to spending this golden chance on babysitting twenty-somethings, teaching them foot from arse, which end of the sword goes into the enemy and pouring soup at the local homless shelter. Joan can train them if she so wishes, which is why I want to send them to her. Also, ditching them with C doesn't sit right with me, but if that's what is going to win, so be it.

    As to why I don't want them with us: we need to be taking care of the big leagues, and these guys are ages behind. They will simply drag Ean down, and with the power gap between him and the major players it may very well prove fatal (although that's not going to stop Tenebrae, I'm sure).
    Also, we have a way to prove we're Ean, which is what we would've done with Joan.

    Or, we can team up with Fenrir and bring Skane and Gallia-Britannia together through their rulers. Dagrun did moniker himself as Ean's heir and considers the other successors his "brothers." Which may very well make him consider Ean his daddy.
     
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  9. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I think if we are leaving, yes, we must try and take some/all of them, so that our efforts in the last 2-3 updates don't go to waste. I mean, it doesn't seem like the 20 themselves are particularly committed either to mercenarying or peacekeeping, and many of them will not be local either, right? It sounds like there is a good chance in us suggesting hey, listen, I am the Ean, and I'm going to find out things, gather resources, and find ways to bring peace and Empire on the land writ large. Stay here, and with or without me, we will achieve little whether in ways of war or peace. Go with me, and there will be fighting for those who are inclined, there will be helping for those who are inclined, but in the long run, our project will be to restore Pax Ean.

    And of course, on our journey South, we can do plenty of mercenary-ing as is needed.
     
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  10. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Tigranes: So, instead of doing A or B, you are pretty much proposing an Icewind Dale-style party. It could work and I am loathe to let go of their talents, but my only misgiving is that, with the power of the players we will be taking on they may just get in the way.

    Solid idea, though.

    Edit: thought about it some more, flopping to A for the Christmas update. Shulgi at least seems like a proper BRO, instead of Naram's popamole decline.
     
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  11. treave Arcane Patron

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    Probably that's why you wander around doing random quests fighting trolls and bandits and doing fetch quests to level up first.
     
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  12. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Well, let's make it a proper option:

    Tigranian C: Persuade the successors to join Ean as he ventures South, arguing it is the only real way to achieve short-term power and long-term peace. Propose to take on 'mercenary' work as appropriate during the journey while gathering information and resources.

    Oh, and for Christmas, C.
     
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  13. Esquilax Arcane

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    A Very EPIC Christmas! Voting C.

    Tigranes, I agree that we should try to avoid casting the Yellowstreaks aside, I don't agree with your solution at all. Going with a band of twenty people is not something that can be easily hidden. To make matters worse, probably half of them are like Tenebrae - completely unfit for combat. The whole point of the C option is to find different opportunities and factions to work with because we aren't impressed either by the Yellowstreaks or the Martyrs. If you don't want to burn bridges with them, fine, that's reasonable, but we can't look for opportunities among different factions that are probably hostile towards them and bring the Yellowstreaks along at the same time, that's foolish. Bringing Dario with us and perhaps teaching him how to hide his presence is a good idea, but that's it, don't bring anybody else.

    If you want to try maintaining relations with the Yellowstreaks, your best bet is to either tell them to sit tight and continue operating as a pacifist group so as to avoid courting attention from the Martyrs, or to join up with the Martyrs. After all:

    Forging an alliance with the Martyrs will strengthen our relationship with Joan. Meanwhile, we look for more allies down south as well. I see this as a major benefit with war looming on the horizon. It will be far more beneficial to us to go south to seek allies and take them away from Dio before the war actually begins, because we won't have the opportunity to do so once the battle lines are drawn and the war is in full swing. We've got a very narrow window of opportunity, and I'd like to take advantage of it while we still can. We can only do that before the conflict has begun.

    Yes, the weakest, most ill-equipped, and poorly organized of the original 100 Successors - they have none of the resources or raw power that individuals in the other factions do. You're not considering the opportunity cost here: the time we invest in making something of these guys is time that we've lost in seeking out allies from the South before the war has actually begun. I just don't see that much potential in the Yellowstreak cause, nor do I see much potential among the Martyrs. I don't like our options here, so I want to look elsewhere - this whole buddying up with the Yellowstreaks thing just reeks of sunk costs.

    Here is how I see the various options:

    A) This plays to our strengths and gets Ean up to date on tactical advances - he's a quick study on that field. A war is brewing, so this would prepare us for it. The downside is that becoming a mercenary band would attract attention and might lead to a potential conflict with the Lady of the Martyrs that we'd have to diffuse in the future. The main problem is that even as a tough Knights Hospitallers style force, the Yellowstreaks really aren't a serious threat. And it'll cause potential conflict with Joan, unless we manage to ally ourselves, of course.

    B) Remaining as is allows us to increase our support networks and lets us continue flying under the radar and working from the shadows, playing both sides as we see fit. We use the Yelowstreaks to gather information about the outside world, while we maneuver the Martyrs into a more martially-oriented direction. It's the most consistent choice.

    C) Neither the Martyrs nor the Yellowstreaks present great opportunities. If they allied themselves with each other and had us maneuvering them from the shadows, Brittania-Gallia might be on par with Skane... maybe. But that's not enough - I want to gain an edge over the competition before the war has begun.

    Kipeci, I don't know what kind of opportunity will present itself with C, all I do know is that I'm not satisfied with what's currently on the table, and I see this brief time of peace as a real chance to get an edge on our rivals (specifically Dio) before the battle has begun. We probably shouldn't leave the Yellowstreaks out in the cold because they might end up working against us in the future, but I don't want to waste an opportunity to get some skilled, highly effective people on our side before we've even stepped on a battlefield.
     
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  14. Esquilax, the Yellowstreaks can BE that edge against Dio. With proper training and the growth in power that will come with feeding, these guys could grow into a major asset.

    Also, out of the 100 orphans how many were hunted down or killed in some other fashion? We may be sitting on as much as 1 third of the current successor population. Even if that's not the case, 1 fifth of them is still nothing to balk at.

    Lets not get discouraged by the lack of instant gratification this choice presents and throw it away on a gamble that something better might come up. If we pass on them now, I doubt we'll have this opportunity again. We've been playing quite a while and "have your cake and eat it too" is rarely a consequence...
     
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  15. Esquilax Arcane

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    I'm not convinced that they can become that edge, even if they ally themselves with the Martyrs. We've already figured out that the Lady, despite what she's saying, is rather desperate to bolster her forces:

    At best, even when bolstering the Lady of the Martyr's forces, they'd probably be roughly on par with Skane, not counting Shulgi's support from the shadows, of course (who at this point, is significantly more powerful than us). I'm taking a gamble here precisely because I feel that our opportunities are lacking in the potential to give us an edge, and I think that your estimation of the Yellowstreaks is too optimistic. You're voting for them to become a pacifist group - how exactly do you expect a group like this to morally questionable things like eating people? If they become more martially inclined (A) then maybe we can steer them in that direction, otherwise, it isn't going to happen.

    I think that this is one of those times when we need to take a chance on a gamble. The war has not started yet, so I feel that now is the time to look for opportunities in Ankida to take away from the Empire's power base before the battle has begun. Dio has a ten year head start on us, and we aren't going to catch up to him by pissing our time away training a rag-tag bunch of misfits.

    But hey, maybe you're right and we won't find shit down South. However, this whole thing with the Yellowstreaks just screams of a sunk cost to me.
     
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  16. Baltika9 Arcane

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    All fair points, but as I've said many times, this will cost us time and the possible outcomes aren't all that obvious either: A makes them a "Knights Hospitaller," but will also increase our visibility on the grand campaign map(which is what we should be worried most about now. Zeus/Naram isn't oblivious to what's going on and neither are the other big players) and possibly lead to a conflict with Joan; B has them continuing to be the local Red Cross, while in the background they will be like Shulgi's cult back in chapter five. The problem is, this is too little too late and splits our attentions between babysitting them and running around doing important shit (and you can forget about them getting power-ups by eating, B makes them more "nice." Given the situation, this is rather redundant and harmful).

    C just has us flip them off and go our own way (though I'm sure Tenebrae will stalk us, like Itlani did), and abandoning them just doesn't sit right with me, hence the freeform options, although if that's what's going to win, I'll do it (not to mention that doing this will probably shift Ean's morality into more murky waters, but on the other hand this planet is going to Hell in a handbasket real fast, so worrying about that may cost us a lot).
    Why? We still have our element of surprise, something that will not be there long enough to train these guys, but long enough that, if we move quickly, we may be able to make a bold move and/or secure a great advantage over our enemies, particularly Dio and Naram/Zeus. And it won't be around for very long, the hunger is beginning to awaken.
    There is minimal chance of this, we know of two opportunities that will definitely present themselves in one form or another: Dio and Dagrun, simply by the clout they built up around themselves.
    So, yes, C will lead us to find something, perhaps that something will be even better than those two.
     
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  17. Kipeci Magister

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    Alternatively, we could devour their souls.
     
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  18. Azira Arcane Patron

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    Use our mighty oratory skills and convince them that the only way their way of thinking stands a chance is that if they merge with their parent (Ean), empowering him, while also giving him all their memories and skills, but giving up their individual lives for the greater good?

    ...

    I like it. I don't find it very likely they will acquiesce, but I like it. :drink:
     
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  19. Esquilax Arcane

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    Azira, I'm sure that will be a distinct possibility down the line should we stick with the Yellowstreaks or get close to a particular faction. Sounds good, but it will present issues of its own even if it works, such as "who are our lieutenants and apostles going to be?" We can't exactly lead an army composed of average Joes when the opposite side has the X-Men, y'know? And they can do stuff for us right now, such as gaining support for our cause. Having them merge with Ean might be a very good goal if you vote for B as Lambchop and others have. Sounds like a very good strategy in the long-run, but I still would rather go South in search of other opportunities before the war begins and the hunger becomes a problem.
     
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  20. Baltika9 Arcane

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    By the by bros, I think we need a new pseudonym, Runi is kind of worn and will be familiar to our older adversaries.

    I propose "Marius."
     
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  21. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    I like the devouring soul idea but it is way too soon. We just met them and the world isn't about to end just yet. But that is why I want to take them with us when we go south looking for more promising opportunities.

    What is it that you guys are hoping to find in the south? All the Successor there have made their bed already are going to difficult to convert to our cause. They might be a level higher than our Yellowstreaks but if they'll flop once on their master, who is to say they won't make it again? And if we leave the Yellowstreaks, I'm pretty sure that the group is going to disperse. The point is, we have something here and we might not find better opportunities. Don't abandon the Yellowstreaks so lightly.
     
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  22. Baltika9 Arcane

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    See, I'm not convinced that B is the best choice for a merging: it makes them stay at approximately their current power level and that will directly translate into the power Ean will receive when he does merge. If you want that, then vote for A I'd say.

    Actually, it's getting there. We screw up/act too passive, and shit will hit the fan and then
    I fell like I'm beating on a dead horse, but we know of exactly TWO opportunities that will present themselves: Dagrun/Fenrir and Dio?Sekblade, all due to their personal clout. From then on in, we can decide what to do with them (my preferred solution of whacking the latter, or Esquilax's more subtle approaches of undermining them from within (Ban immediately comes to mind), or something else entirely, like contacting Fenrir/Shulgi/Nabu).

    I can see that many don't like the idea of a gamble here, but given the shitty choices presented, going down south-east is our best chance to hit hard before Ean's awakening is realized. Yes, we will probably lose access to this group, but considering that some of them will join Joan, some will find their way to Skane and/or Ankida, it will not be such a terrible loss.

    Then again...
    I can feel the Warp overtaking me!
     
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  23. Esquilax Arcane

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    Consider that we chose to play both sides of the Yellowstreaks and the Martyrs. This is what we voted for:

    Like I said, this whole Yellowstreak thing reeks of a sunk cost. I understand the sympathy for the Yellowstreaks (they did wake us up, after all) and they have the whole scrappy underdog thing going for them, but the bottom line is that they aren't winners. If we drop them in favour of looking for other opportunities/have them ally with the Martyrs/whatever, then we still have our connections with the Lady to fall back on. Seriously, fuck 'em.

    Obviously, I don't know exactly what those opportunities entail, but the Yellowstreaks are not a winning ball club. I don't see much potential in them (at least without an alliance with the Martyrs) in that a militant approach creates the potential for conflict with the Lady and will likely not be all that effective, while a pacifistic approach clearly hasn't worked for them thus far, so I don't see why we should keep going with that - especially on the eve of a war.

    As for what I hope to find elsewhere, other Successors, yes, but also clues as to what the Empire or Skane are planning. We have yet to strike, so surveying the situation and learning more about the enemy seems to be a wise thing to do. I really think that now is the time not to bog ourselves down with this group unless we're intent on joining them with the Martyrs. It all boils down to the fact that I don't think that this is a group of winners. Our opportunities aren't good, so let's look for new ones.

    As far as I see it, our best options are to either (a) have them sit tight and bring Dario with us due to his skills at subterfuge (the man who fooled Athena will no doubt be useful to us) or (b) have them sign up with the Martyrs and go south, in an attempt to undermine the Empire and give the edge to the Lady.
     
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  24. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    Esquilaxian C
     
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  25. I agree with everything you wrote. At the very least the Yellowstreaks offer us the chance to boost our power through merging - especially later on when they've leveled up a bit. Not to mention that - once trained and having increased their power by feeding - they may be an asset as an armed force alone.

    Speaking of devour soul though: Has anyone considered that we take no corruption from merging? So what if we encourage our successors to each go and devour a small city? When we merge we'd gain awesome power with no corruption! *minmaxing in a lp ftw*
    Um, and what if they prove too much for us to handle right now? I mean, we have no clue as to Dagrun or Fenrir's true power levels or how they'd react to Ean. Dio bit off much more than he could chew with them and only survived because they were toying with him. Granted we're stronger than he was at the time, but my point is that it'd be unwise to underestimate them again. As for Dio, he may have hero status, but I'm betting he still has to answer to Naram so we might end up exposing ourselves to frankly the most powerful immortal in the world before we're ready. Just because Ean is awake now doesn't mean he can just run around and pwn everything that moves. He's been out of the game for 3000 years. His power isn't even equal to Athena and she and most of the other true immortals are being subdued by Naram's will alone. Who knows how powerful he is at this point. We need to prepare and figure out what's going on, not run off half-cocked and gamble that the "win button" of opportunities will drop into our laps. For Pete's sake - folks, this is what too much Bioware does to the brain.:roll:
     
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