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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Esquilax, treave said not to worry too much about fulfilling the second choice, at the end of the update. Senya won't do it if the circumstances are unfavorable, it's more about motivations. I must insist., though, that we use Detect Life (/forlorn hope)
     
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  2. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    To my understanding, treave said that this is only a question of what Senya intended. We may have to change our plans depending on what we pick for 1.

    2A is safest, but if Kyrie isn't really dead, or if she is and Gallardo lives to reanimate her corpse, we could have trouble later. Also, if Gallardo reanimates her while we have her body in AB, then we'll be in real trouble as her corpse could attack us while we carry her. Not %100 sure if he can do that though.
     
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  4. Baltika9 Arcane

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    :oops:
    We shouldn't be afraid of that, I don't think he had enough time to engage in necrophiliamancy yet. And if he did,we can just subdue Kyrie with but a kiss(power of luv).Their plan depends on her body,so let' s troll them and earn good karma.
     
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  5. Esquilax Arcane

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    Exactly, and if he intends to stroll out of here with Kyrie's body in tow, he won't be able to do that with Gallardo around - that will make things far more unpredictable and we won't be able to account for that. I assume that talking with him would result in possibly angering him and baiting him into revealing aspects of what his plans are (just like last time), but the problem here is that we're in the belly of the beast, so some surprises and possibly a nasty confrontation are in store for us if we fuck around. I am fine with talking to him to get a sense of his plans, but don't expect to have a conversation with him and haul her body out afterwards, it's not going to happen.
     
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  6. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Not to mention Gallardo can simply sound the alarm/scream for help if we go Dark Knight on him. Nabbing Kyrie right away will give us a headstart. Also, necromancy
    It took him a week to make primitive golems. I think that bona-fide necromancy is a slight harder than that, and takes longer. From the moment of her death to now, I doubt he had time to do it.
     
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  7. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    I still doubt she is dead. Could be some sort of anesthetic he is giving her every night, among other things he is doing.
     
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  8. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Well, I'm not holding my breath (actually, yes I am), but that is why I'm insisting on checking her with our power. Also, I think the reason the Emperor was in seclusion all these months was for Gallardo to work his scientomajig on him. I sincerely doubt he did that to Kyrie yet.

    Also, is this Gallardo?
    [​IMG]
     
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  9. Bloodshifter Educated

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    well if its true that the Empress is an Agent of the Masters he might anything barring that shouldn't have moved his lumpy ass. We should have listened to Erika... he had a Plan and we wrecked (Ean Flashback Montage!). Truly being Shulgi is Suffering!
     
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  10. treave Arcane Patron

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    He could manipulate his familiars from halfway across town back in Olympia. And regarding motivations I must warn that denying them the body for their plans is a pragmatic choice. It falls more into the C mindset. The B reason for taking the body is different, more sentimental. I'm going according to votes, as usual, not what intentions you ascribe to your voting.

    And yes, there is a different consequence because of that.
     
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  11. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Sorry for the small spamposts, I'm on a mobile.
    I'm confident AB is the way to go:we deny them the body and the plan falls,and like E said,we might not be able to stop it even if we know it.Gallardo is a tool and unlikely to know things outside his field
     
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  12. ScubaV Prophet

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    Second choice has to be B for me. We came here for sentimental reasons, time to follow through. As for the first choice, I'm not sure. Esquilax makes a good point, but sometimes we are able to have our cake and eat it too, it's just that we can never tell beforehand. It's a gamble. I think I'm going to vote B as well. As soon as we abandoned the plane our enemies knew we were in Ankida. It's not exactly a logical leap to figure out why. So I don't see confronting Julius as really giving anything away, just some of the time advantage we have (unless we kill him).

    Voting BB, but I'm still open to flopping.
     
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  13. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Esquilax & Baltika9:
    Alright, bros, disregard my previous luziness for a moment and check out what I'm about to throw down:
    BC - Why 1B? Because, as treave said, Gallardo can manipulate his creations half way across town. <--- That's VERY important. Understand that in order to do that, he has to be aware of what is going on with his creations without actually being there. Meaning that if we take Kyrie and he's still alive, he'll know where we are and what we're doing the whole time. Delaying him is useless as he'd already be with us through her anyway. Also, he'll be able to use her corpse to attack or restrain us until someone can pick us up.

    edit: Additionally, even if we just go in there and hold her hand, there's a good chance he'll know we were there and might even have her attack us on the spot or try to restrain us.

    2C: Now I know we didn't come here for the most pragmatic of reasons according to our reasoning, but if we don't pick 2C then Senya might make an emotional decision up ahead that will get him captured. She's dead. Dead as fuck, otherwise Gallardo wouldn't be necessary. He only deals with corpses. No altering that, so quit your wishful thinking.

    It'd be great if she were alive and if she were, I'd be all for fulfilling our promise and getting her out of there, but given the evidence our promise to come back for her has to be secondary to our own aims of screwing with the Empress' plans.
     
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  14. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I'm sticking to my guns with 2B,I already stated why I am sure he didn't necro her yet (it took him a while to do it to Sargone); and no, Senya came here for sentimental reasons.I see none for us to alter that and cancel out all the humanity he accrued.
     
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  15. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    What about BB? I know Esquilax reasoned against it, but shouldn't it be a trivial matter for us to kill or disable Gallardo with our newly augmented powers, especially when he expects nothing amiss? Wait for him, ask the questions, kill him if need be, exit stage left with Kyrie's body.
     
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  16. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    I flipped from BB to BC, Tigranes. See below for why.
    And it's taking him a while to do it to her as well, but he may have enough of it done to where he can at least have some control over her. Remember, time has passed. As our skill has increased, so has his. He's controlling the Emperor and no one is the wiser.

    edit: Also, why include him in the update if not to use his ability?
    This isn't VTM, Baltika. He started out a pragmatist and has stayed pretty true to it, at least according to his own motives. (Eg, treave saying that it was the princess that helped drive him to all those risks. "adrenaline junkies" and all...) Don't forget that it's ultimately treave's interpretation of our character's decisions that decides how things will turn out.

    No, pragmatism is the only way out here. Especially with a nutter like Julius. Maybe a part of Senya came back for sentimental reasons - otherwise, why mention the promise he made in this update? But we need him to tell himself it's pragmatic. We need him to be in that mode. It's where he's strongest. Remember, last time we had at least somewhat of an edge on Gallardo because we kept our cool. This guy is a total pervert. No telling what he did with her body. All he needs to do is mention a few things and get Senya to lose control for a moment and then we're toast.
     
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  17. Baltika9 Arcane

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    By humanity I meant how he became a better human being and I'm not keen on sending him back to full bastard mode. Semantics. You are basing your decision on a farfetched basis:it is unlikely he did anything but feel her up by now and rub one off.(cont)
     
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  18. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Uh, he's had several days alone with her body.:roll: He did way worse to Keiko over the course of a weekend.
    edit: add to that the fact that he's had a massive hard-on for her since forever.

    edit2: Plus he doen't even have to have done anything. He could just SAY he has. With his current rep, and an emotional attitude from Senya, it might just be enough to set Senya off. Then maybe he could get the drop on Senya or perhaps Senya would simply miss out on a cricial bit of info he could have otherwise had.
     
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  19. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    And again: Picking C doesn't necessarily mean "FULL BASTARD MODE". Senya came back for her. Part of him is sentimental or he wouldn't have even remembered the promise - but we need that part to take a back seat for the moment.
     
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  20. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Which is why 1B is a bad idea:we shouldn't talk to him at all,know why?We're surrounded by the NSI security detail,all he needs is scream.Even if he did rig her body, which I'm sure he didn't(and Keiko just got beaten) he woulsn't reveal it here, to them.
     
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  21. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Lol. Yeah, and I'm sure he took off her clothes to make beating her easier. (Though he did do the same to us.) Still he wasn't hopelessly in love with her like Kyrie.

    I don't seem to be getting through to you this way, so let me try this last thing and then I'll shut up.

    Here's how I see it playing out:

    AA - We go in, hold her hand and leave. Gallardo is crazy jealous - we know that from the first time. I'm not sure if we will be able to leave or if he'll try and use her corpse to tail us or what. Seems the most likely choice to let us escape regardless of what he does - though with nothing gained.

    AB - We're fucked. We leave with her body and just as we think we've gotten away, she pins us down. She's probably a lot stronger than his old creations and so we're trapped. Or, we leave and think we've gotten away. We dig a hole in the ground. Just then a chopper (or this world's equivalent) hovers over us demanding our surrender.

    AC - Similar to AB.

    BA - We go in, and hold her hand...only she doesn't let us go. Her grip is like iron and she tries to hold us. Gallardo comes up at us from behind. Bad end.

    BB - Gallardo rattles us. Maybe we kill him to quick and miss some important info. Maybe he pulls a surprise and catches us off guard. Treave DID say there would be different consequences based on motives and I think this how this one would play. Bad end.

    BC - Gallardo tries to rattle us, but Senya is cool and sees through it. We're able to rattle him instead and extract some useful intel. We kill him and fuck up the Empress' shit.

    edit: Just ask yourself, Baltika9: How sure are you he didn't rig her corpse in all this time? Why are you so sure? And is Senya's story of true love(TM) humanity points really worth Senya's capture having Gallardo walk all over us again?
     
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  22. Baltika9 Arcane

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    And here I thought I was the optimist.:lol:
    The thing is not that you aren't getting through, it's just that I don't think he made her an automaton yet. That's all .
    treave: how much time has passed from her being shot to now?
     
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  23. treave Arcane Patron

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    About six days or so.
     
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  24. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    :lol: Poor Kyrie. :(

    edit: Also consider from a more meta-gaming perspective: Why did treave have us leave the room? It's because Gallardo would have been aware of our conversation with the NSI had we not. (my theory)
     
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  25. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Lambchop19, on the previous page I quoted that it took Gallardo a week to make his golems. Kyrie was "dead" for six. With all the funeral prep and procession, I doubt he had more than two to do anything. Most likely he's been told to wait until now.
     
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