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Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. Esquilax Arcane

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    Not true, Lambchop19, I ended up voting for the earthquake option back in the end of the Egypt chapter. I was considering holding out against Nabu's psychic assault, but you were the one that actually swayed me away from it. You also talked me out of a foolish assault on Nabu's tower. And now I'm returning the favour.

    Not if they are not alike. I guess I can see some sort of vague similarity: they are both glory-hungry guys who are fighting over the same girl as us. But other than that - I don't see how these situations are at all alike.

    But look at how he's behaved towards us thus far: if he had bad intentions towards us, why would he have let us escape?

    LISTEN TO THE MAN WHO IS TELLING YOU TO LISTEN TO ME!!! I AM ALWAYS RIGHT!!!

    Dude, you've totally jinxed me: suddenly, it's going to turn out that Naim is actually a reincarnated Theseus who has been working for the Empress and serving the Masters. :lol: This is going to be a disaster. Besides, you guys have done pretty well while I've been posting sporadically.

    But really, I don't see why people are so against Naim here. Okay, he was a bit cocky when we first met him, but what else? I see a few reasons for trusting him, but I don't see why we would have to rape his brain. Also, treave, I am curious:

    I'm assuming you brought this up as a way of mentioning that Cyber Jack probably doesn't have surveillance here, correct?
     
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  2. treave Arcane Patron

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    Actually, that's just because it's a washroom and most of their rich customers don't feel at ease going with the sky over their heads, but you are right anyway that Cyber Jack isn't monitoring the washroom - or rather, isn't able to at the moment.

    I hope you guys didn't expect that this Naim confrontation is the only thing that's going to happen at the restaurant?

    Also, here's more fodder. There's 1 Bad End amongst the AB12 combinations. :troll:

    C doesn't lead to one, but as pointed out if you want to slide further down into amoral sociopath-dom, that's the way to go.
     
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  3. Another step down the bad road is a given, but it's totally. Worth. It.
    lol, yeah, I remember. I had to fight you tooth and nail on that one. :D

    Again, not the situations, bro. The character. People murder and make selfish choices for love all the time and Naim's personality is prone to it. Let's not give this Theseus his chance.
    Hey, you are right a lot of the time! Sometimes I need someone to talk me down too btw. Not this time though. ;)
     
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  4. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    I'm voting C not because I think Naim will betray us necessarily, but because it gains us the most information, removes a rival whilst keeping us from any blame, let's us develop our psionic rape abilities, and will steer Senya towards greater Dio-esque ruthlessness. Back on the Kaguya-hime we had numerous opportunities to off the Empress, but our morality kept us in check. Think how much difficulty we would have spared ourselves if we drove a stake in that vampire's shriveled heart! Naim's just the same, a dick looking to eventually screw us once he gets what he wants.

    I want to be a dra- Dio :(
     
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  5. :lol: though, this choice doesn't make us a Dio, just puts us further down that path. (Hey, it's for love after all. ;) )
     
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  6. treave Arcane Patron

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    As long as there is talk about finding Kyrie because she's important to whatever avenues to power you guys want to pursue, I will always have the leeway to spin it away from the 'true love' narrative.

    Senya will never be as amoral as Dio, though, even in full slasher mode. What drives his ruthlessness is a strong sense of confidence and disdain for most people. There are a few things he would find somewhat unpalatable according to the twisted logic that Ruthless Senya follows, shaped subconsciously by his forgotten experiences as a child. Dio, on the other hand... under the Codex's guidance he lost the last vestiges of whatever conscience he had within 8 updates.

    I'll probably update in about 8 hours (I believe A2 is ahead by one vote here), but update speeds should slow down again to about once every two days next week.
     
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  7. Esquilax Arcane

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    It isn't worth it, especially over something so petty. We would lose more of our own personality just so we could get information that we could easily attain by working together with him on this. Going down this road only because of baseless paranoia seems like a big mistake.

    Qin is the one we ought to be watching out for. She's been going around trying to blow our cover a few times already, and we really have to keep our eyes on her. Naim also seems like he'd be a handy ally to have now that she's out of sight at the moment and trying to blow our cover*, not to mention that he'd be a massive help in providing us with future information on the Empress as well as Relius' doings.

    * Seriously, what the fuck is up with this?

    Maybe this is my own paranoia acting up, but I find this last part kinda ominous. She certainly steered things into a confrontation between Senya and Naim, so she definitely has ulterior motives here. But still, we ought to be more worried about her than we are of Naim.

    This is absurd, man. "Don't give Naim a chance to betray us... if in fact, betraying us is what he had in mind!!" This doesn't hold up under scrutiny. There is maybe a surface resemblance to Theseus, but that's about it: the point is this, he wants Kyrie alive just as much as Senya does. I don't see why he would fuck us over in the near future because of it, and your paranoia isn't really justified given that he had let us go previously.

    You're letting your hatred of Naim cloud your judgment. Look at our interaction again:

    The first thing he does here, uncharacteristically, is apologize. Then, he gives only a half-hearted effort to stop us and lets us go. If he were afraid of us, he would have given us everything he had, but he didn't do that. And as for looking down on us while he didn't realize it was us, there is a simple explanation for that: we were cock-blocking him in the middle of a date. More importantly, Qin set the situation up in such a way that he would become suspicious of us - remember, she's the one that instigated the situation and blew our cover.

    How is he suspicious? In what way do you believe he will fuck us over? Here is why this is bullshit: your arguments in favour of brain-raping him basically amount to "he was mean to us when we first met him!", but that is a pretty thin justification, not to mention it ignores the fact that he let us go when he easily could have subdued us with Jean. You also want C because it hedges our bets, but I don't believe it's worth it and the benefits don't outweigh sliding further down into sociopathy.

    While I'm pretty certain that Naim doesn't like Senya on a personal level, but I also believe that he genuinely wants to fight against whatever it is the Empress is planning, and for that he is willing to bury the hatchet.
     
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  9. treave Arcane Patron

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    “I already found out about that some time ago. I haven't been idle, you know – I've been looking for her all this time. Naim, if we work together, we can help rescue her.” My voice is calm and steady in my request for his aid, but a sudden, wild panic floats into Naim's eyes.

    “I should've known,” he gasps. “He was right.”

    “Who was right?”

    Naim does not respond. Suddenly aware of danger, I activate my ability. Only then do I notice the bulge under his coat. I try to take a step away but it is too late. Caught flat-footed, I am unable to dodge a bullet. A shot rings out. I feel a sharp pain in my chest as the bullet penetrates my lung; he had fired from under his blazer. My tendrils swarm to life, but not before another shot grazes my heart. This isn't good. My fingers start trembling uncontrollably as life bleeds from me. I weaken rapidly; my concentration slips as I stumble backwards, Naim pulling the trigger again, and again, and again, an anguished expression on his face. The front of my suit is already soaked with dark red, my blood spattered all over the wooden tiles of the washroom's floor. That's... going to be a bitch to clean. Ah. Maybe... I should have enhanced my tendrils for protection. I cough up flecks of spittle and blood. My consciousness is starting to fade.

    “He said you would stop at nothing to get her back, that you were already plotting to do so. I didn't want to believe him, but you confirmed it yourself. You would just put her in danger again with your recklessness. I can't have that. I'm sorry.” he whispers, as he aims the barrel at my head. I'm losing too much blood to do anything but slump against the wall, leaving behind a red smear as I sink to the floor. There's not even enough strength in my throat to muster any words. I can hear shouts and screams coming from the restaurant outside. Was it because of the gunfire? Or did something else just happen? Yua is screaming for me. I think... she's calling me Master again.

    Heh. I knew she was just faking it.

    There is a painful flash of light as the last bullet enters through my left eye, and then all is dark.

    ***BAD END***

    “How is the subject?”

    “The augmentations have taken well, Minister Azo, but there seems to be something off about its neural activity.”

    “Pay no attention to that. This is our sector's last trump card.”

    “Are you sure it will succeed?”

    “We have to. The Federation cannot afford to fail here.”

    “But, Minister Azo, we're talking about trying to assassinate him. Even though this unit has been rebuilt with the best technology humanity has to offer, that monster is not human.”

    “It doesn't matter. If we fail, we are all goners anyway, and the Earth together with us. Shulgi must die.”

    ***

    Deep in the recesses of what used to be my brain, a long dormant spark flickers to life - a tiny ember of light in an endless void - and the wheels of the multiverse slowly grind to a halt. The borders of reality break down...

    So You Messed Up and You're Now a Cyborg Ninja. Now What?

    A. Continue

    B. Reload (State your preferred choice from the previous update, excluding A2)

    ***

    Well, as it turns out, A2 was the bad end. This means that none of the other choices are, but they will have different ramifications on your relationship with Naim... should you not want to rape his mind, of course.
     
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  10. Esquilax Arcane

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    Goddamnit, now I'm eating crow.
     
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  11. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    Theseus shows his dickish face once more.
     
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  12. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    I'm not about to brain rape someone just because I'm suspicious of him or his motives.

    I'll do that only when I'm sure that my suspicions are correct. I would feel terrible if he proved to be a good guy after all.
     
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  13. treave Arcane Patron

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    Well, the issue is that Naim isn't actually that smart nor is he a plotter. He's just a soldier. More skilled than most, but too upright and obedient. You guys got the part about him being stuck as a pawn correct. He wasn't angsting over betraying Julia or Relius, he was afraid that you might actually say what you did in A2. That's why he wants to "clear things up" and "put an end" to things. It's causing him considerable effort of mental independence just to try and find out what you actually want, instead of just going with the flow. I mean, he does care that much, at least. Not enough to refrain from capping your ass if he thought you were a danger to Kyrie's safety, of course, but still...

    As to why he let you go back in the desert, well, as long as you are away from Kyrie he would willingly spare your life. He has nothing against you, personally - at least, not a grudge that he'd kill you over - but he's convinced that if you continue to pursue her you will end up getting her killed, and he doesn't want that to happen. Even though he might realize that romantically he may not have a chance, she's still a good friend he grew up with.
     
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  14. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    B (Reload) with as preference C. Flop to anything to avoid A

    Order of preference to avoid A: C, B1, A1, B2

    You guys should know by now that the Dio way is the Right way. The Universe has made us its bitch. Let's turn the tables!
     
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  15. Esquilax Arcane

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    Fuck it, let's run with this.

    A, failing that, (Reload) B1
     
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  16. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    B1. Doing our duty to Azo. We don't need Naim. Putting our trust in the fucker proved wrong.
     
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  17. Nice job, shitheads. :troll:

    Reload.

    C for fuck's sake.

    edit: Sorry Zwist, but I have no desire to lose to Theseus AGAIN. My vote is C, but I'll flop to ANY reload option (especially A1) to stave off A from winning.
     
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  18. Esquilax Arcane

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    Why are you still going with C now that you know that this option is the bad one? Going full asshole on this one just isn't worth it.

    I don't get this part. He's a very obedient soldier who has no problems letting us go and risking us pursuing her, then he doesn't get why we're here? I mean, why would we care about our intentions in the first place?
     
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  19. Holy crap, dude. Seriously? He knows where Kyrie is, he doesn't want to tell us, HE IS FUCKING THESEUS WHO ALWAYS KILLS US FFS LET'S OFF HIM NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE AGAIN.
    ( btw :lol: fucking called it, bitches!)
     
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  20. treave Arcane Patron

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    To be more exact about why the diplomacy attempt had a critical failure: As far as he knows, you're on the run, then you signed up with the Federation, or more specifically, Azo, which is suspicious in and of itself. At the moment, you have no way of convincing him that you will be able to keep her safe, even if you do manage to get to her without getting the both of you killed.

    Then you mention that you have made your own investigations and you want to find her again, knowing that she's still alive. That you've begun a plot to retrieve her only damns you in his eyes. All he's seeing is a repeat of the recklessness that he knows you for, and you'll have to excuse him for not having total faith in you.

    He's not obedient to the point of being a total drone, obviously. But he figured you might stay away after that - he doesn't want to kill you if he can help it. He was more stable at the time, too. Once he recognized you his first hopes are that you really are only here as a bodyguard, going on with your life without bothering with Kyrie again. Now, do consider also that it appears someone has been telling him things and preying on his fears since the last time you two crossed paths.

    edit: Also, I never confirmed Naim knows where Kyrie is. :troll:
     
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  21. Theseus gonna Theseus, bros. :roll:

    edit: And you never denied it, treave. We'll see once we suck Theseus' brains out with a fucking straw. (there's a red dwarf reference in there somewhere...)
     
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  22. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    The codex oscillates between Fatal Naivete and Psychopathic Paranoia. Why is doing our duty to Azo a bad thing ? Why do we care only about our own selfish interests ?
     
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  23. treave Arcane Patron

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    Hey, at least I've an excuse for schizophrenic character inconsistency. :lol:
     
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  24. Because Azo is currently still working for/with Shulgi, but plans to betray Shulgi at some point due to Shulgi Shulgi-ing shit up per this latest update/bad end. Much better to be a free agent (like we planned at the start of the chapter, remember? 'schizophrenic' indeed.) working for our own interests rather than those of someone who obviously made a severe miscalculation in his choice of allies.
     
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  25. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    We don't know what Shulgi is up to or if Azo is right or not about betraying him. How about we don't make any more presumptions until we have more information.

    He did make a severe miscalculation in his choice of allies only when he chose to help us. Because although he took us in when we were fugitives, we don't give a shit about his interests, and only do what we want. No gratitude whatsoever.

    And how is it wrong to be loyal to a man that helped us ? Because we don't always get what we want ?

    I say we start showing some gratitude for the guy and start taking our assignements more seriously. If he proves to be a mass manipulator/murderer with evil intentions then by earning his trust we are going to be in the best position to take him down.
     
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