Inactive [LP CYOA] Overlord

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

I'm not gonna carry this on much more, but because internet argument:

“As for us, we survived because the Goddesses have selected Master Theseon as their true hero,” Althus says. “The former hero betrayed his destiny and joined the Demon Lord. Master Theseon’s righteousness marked him as the real hero, and thus he was granted the power to defeat both villains and save the day with his loyal followers.”

“Such crude words even while facing death. You have no honour at all,” grimaces Althus. “The Goddesses must have seen this coming all along, and selected you for this reason.”

“The… the demon world is collapsing! Upon the Demon Lord’s death, nothing is keeping it together anymore! I fear that whatever remains here will soon be swallowed up into oblivion! Let us go!” shouts Althus.

trustworthy guy. clearly knows what he is talking about and never makes shit up.

 

[Nevill]

I'm not gonna carry this on much more, but because internet argument:

"...but because internet argument, I would."

trustworthy guy. clearly knows what he is talking about and never makes shit up.

It has nothing to do with his trustworthiness and more with his class and profession.

He might know jack shit about demons, but I might listen to him when he talks about Goddesses. It was a cleric, after all, who saw a prophetic dream that marked our own fate.

Also,

“The Goddesses must have seen this coming all along, and selected you for this reason.”

Completely true.

You are grasping at straws, trying to present your accusers in a bad light and thus diminish their accusation. A basic lawyering technique. You even threw in Althus' assumption of Mieren's death as if it somehow relates to our own actions. I mean, how could he accuse us of anything if he can't even divine whether his companion is alive or dead, the fraud!?

I can't get mad at them for what they did to us because everything they said was true. Regardless of whether they could prove it or not, it was true. But I can see how such a pesky detail would mean little in the grand scheme of things. Let the Theseus Hunt commence!!

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

He might know jack shit about demons, but I might listen to him when he talks about Goddesses. It was a cleric, after all, who saw a prophetic dream that marked our own fate.

let's check on who had the dream, shall we:

At least, that was how the prophecy went. High Priest Ardunnos at the Temple of the Fates had been quite adamant that his dream – filled, unsurprisingly, with nubile maidens in sheer gossamer cloth attending to gorgeous goddesses – was a prophecy from the gods. And so the Seven Kingdoms of Man had begun searching for a hero to save them: a champion that fulfilled the requirements of the Goddesses’ Prophecy. You remember the day that the emissaries came knocking at your door, the day when they revealed that you were one of the hero candidates.

and who was it that spouted bullshit to damn us?

“As for us, we survived because the Goddesses have selected Master Theseon as their true hero,” Althus says. “The former hero betrayed his destiny and joined the Demon Lord. Master Theseon’s righteousness marked him as the real hero, and thus he was granted the power to defeat both villains and save the day with his loyal followers.”

I guess all clerics are created equal and are equally trustworthy. Amazing that we know so much about clerics in the setting already and all we had to do to learn it was assume shit.

 

[Nevill]

let's check on who had the dream, shall we:

A cleric. What makes you think I forgot?

I guess all clerics are created equal and are equally trustworthy.

But can we trust Bai Juitan Kyle Theseon to do the right thing?

What does trustworthiness have to do with it? You don't trust the conclusion they have reached? Maybe they are pulling a fast one on us, the traitors?

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

It's an issue of their character. Did they murder a young, bosomy maiden whose only crime was to insist on due process? Yes. Were they going to kill a man they once called friend based on flimsy evidence and without trial? Yes.

Regardless of what we did or didn't do, they were willing to do both of these things. The second can be excused as vigilante-ism at best, but to murder a young, and again I emphasize, bosomy maiden simply for wanting to see justice done? Inexcusable.

They are murderers. We are not. Moral high ground? Us.

Your honor, I rest my case.

 

[Nevill]

It's an issue of their character.

Which I said time and time again I don't care about.

They are murderers. We are not. Moral high ground? Us.

Murderers or traitors, which are better and why? Who is more holier-than-thou?

The second can be excused as vigilante-ism at best, but to murder a young, and again I emphasize, bosomy maiden simply for wanting to see justice done? Inexcusable.

That's hard to argue against.

I think we should murder Kyle but spare Lobelia so that she could work off Mieren's debt. We've made an investment in the future, did we not? It is only fair for her to pay for the damages.

But I still don't see the need to feel angry about what is ultimately a business decision.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

As if you are serious about any of that. This is some reverse assari BS. You just want to try and make friends with Theseus and the gang later on. admit it.

 

[Nevill]

You just want to try and make friends with Theseus and the gang later on. admit it.

I am only doing it because you are too tsundere to confess your true feelings for Kyle.

 

[Kz3r0]

He might know jack shit about demons, but I might listen to him when he talks about Goddesses. It was a cleric, after all, who saw a prophetic dream that marked our own fate.

So Clerics in this setting are either bullshitters or they do the goddesses dirty work.

 

[Nevill]

So Clerics in this setting are either bullshitters or they do the goddesses dirty work.

We don't know. For all we know, there are no Goddesses, the High Priest only has his title because he is constantly on 'shrooms, and it were the Nine Archmages who stuffed a nuke into the medal all along.

We aren't very knowledgeable about the setting.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

You just want to try and make friends with Theseus and the gang later on. admit it.

I am only doing it because you are too tsundere to confess your true feelings for Kyle.

 

[Nevill]

Isn't he adorable?

Spoiler

How can you be mad at him?

 

[Nevill]

Also,

This is some reverse asari BS.

Spoiler

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

Meh, I've always felt the normal Liara wasn't too far off from that. Between the bucktoothed, huge-headed miranda, the painfully plain Liara, the two different faces of Ashley (the ME1&2 one I call "6/10", the ME3 one I call "5/10") and the passable but boring Morinth, the only Mass Effect female with a decent face is Jack, but they made her shave her head.

It's as if Bioware was trying some social experiment to lower everyone's standards, but then sabotaged themselves by making all females have stripper-hot bodies.

 

[Nevill]

I wouldn't know, I only played the first one and even then I stayed the hell away from a blue-faced creep that started hitting on me for no apparent reason.

Bioware romance has become as incomprehensible and twisted as their beauty standarts.

Spoiler

 

[Nevill]

treave, there is one thing I am curious about, though I do not know whether it would be SPOILERS or not.

It appears we were destined to die in the Prologue and be reborn no matter our choices - why else would a Hero become an Overlord? This is why I find it plausible that the medal was supposed to go off (if we were supposed to be mortally wounded by the Demon Lord, our companions could have simply healed us). But the only method of transformation and rebirth (especially given some of the forms) I can find plausible is through the Demon Lord himself.

But why would he help us if we were the one who blindly followed his enemies without understanding anything and slew him for lulz and glory? Out of spite? To get back at them?

Or was there any other outcome that I am just not seeing?

 

[profreshinal]

Althus knows more about the incantations of the medallion (or he is extremely opportunistic). He was laying out the narrative at the blasted demon castle, established the traitor hook before even arriving at the scene and immediately appointed a new hero.

It's highly illogical to come to a traitor conclusion unless Althus knew more. The swiftness with which the new story was placed down points more to that Athlus knew there was going to be an explosion rather then Athlus knowing of the possibility of an explosion. He had the story ready. This makes it obvious to me that the explosion was set to happen regardless and that the hero was little more then a delivery boy.

Afterwards a suitable pawn gets promoted to new hero.

changing my vote to AD but really only hating Athlus. Such betrayal needs to be punished. slowly and painfully. Well maybe also hating the grand cleric and consorts.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

Given that he had zero problem assuming that the demon world was collapsing (when treave said he was full of it and didn't know), I think he is just a superstitious moron who likes to make things up. It seemed like everything that happened fit into some narrative of his:

The hero gets blown up? Must be because he is a traitor.
Kyle survives? Must be cuz Kyle is the true hero.
We have a snarky quip before dying? Must mean that the deities had everything planned all along to humiliate us.
The building (that has just been blown up by a magical nuke) is collapsing? Must be that the demon was actually Sauron and the whole world is falling apart.
A solar eclipse happens? The Jews have stolen the sun!!! Find the Jew witch! Find him!!!

 

[Nevill]

Well, I did find his interpretation of the story a bit suspicious, but I assumed he would be in the know about these things, as one of the goddesses' favorites.

Still, if he was aware of the real nature of our mission, his behavior makes total sense, as the very fact that we survived the explosion would point to us ripping the medal off and throwing it away. I mean, it's a point-blank nuke - if we didn't, there simply would not be anything left of us.

However, this ventures into a paranoia land pretty fast, and some of his words make me think he didn't really know what is going on. I find Lambchop's take more plausible than the whole "ITZ a conspiracy" one.

Oh, and flopping to BC. Our Jesus career was short-lived.

 

[Absinthe]

1A

If our overlord becomes a "What would jesus do?" type then I am going to be very disappointed. I think it's clear what we're supposed to do: Kill, pillage, burn.

 

[Jester]

Still, if he was aware of the real nature of our mission, his behavior makes total sense, as the very fact that we survived the explosion would point to us ripping the medal off and throwing it away. I mean, it's a point-blank nuke - if we didn't, there simply would not be anything left of us.

Personally i think he was guy to make sure medal arrive. What would happened if Hero rebelled before arriving at demon castle? They wouldn't risk nuking themselves.
If hero would fall before that, he was guy to stick medal to next sucker strong enough to make delivery. If they win without medal they got useful tool. If they rebel or fail there is last resort nuke. Quite effective i must say.

 

[Nevill]

What would happened if Hero rebelled before arriving at demon castle?

Why would the Hero rebel before that? It is kind of hard to betray people while being in the middle of them, having a certain feel of camaraderie towards them, and without a decent incentive.

We - well, our scholar character - could only fall while separated from his allies and tempted by the tits Demon Lord. So if that was their strategy all along, it was quite well-thought.

But I don't think our buddies were in on the plan.

 

[treave]

treave, there is one thing I am curious about, though I do not know whether it would be SPOILERS or not.

It appears we were destined to die in the Prologue and be reborn no matter our choices - why else would a Hero become an Overlord? This is why I find it plausible that the medal was supposed to go off (if we were supposed to be mortally wounded by the Demon Lord, our companions could have simply healed us). But the only method of transformation and rebirth (especially given some of the forms) I can find plausible is through the Demon Lord himself.

But why would he help us if we were the one who blindly followed his enemies without understanding anything and slew him for lulz and glory? Out of spite? To get back at them?

Or was there any other outcome that I am just not seeing?

The medal wouldn't have blown up if you didn't betray the Goddesses's will. But it is as Althus said: your destiny is to slay the Demon Lord. Once that destiny is over, so is your role.

As for the Demon Lord, he 'helps' you because you were betrayed. But his main goal, on his deathbed, was to create a powerful wildcard.

Any more would be spoilers.

 

[Baltika9]

Need two more to get pissed at the heavens. C'mon, guys, let's explore the dark side of justice and retribution.

 

[Jester]

Why would the Hero rebel before that? It is kind of hard to betray people while being in the middle of them, having a certain feel of camaraderie towards them, and without a decent incentive.

So?
From their perspective they started with the guy who didn't care enough to get involved in first place to the point he needed magical lash help to keep himself together. That is good reason for supervision in my opinion.

The party end up close at end of quest it didn't mean they started so. There was this part.
"He had not gotten along with you at first, but saving each other's lives had soon put that feeling to rest."

Hell hero didn't have to rebel, just possibility of his death during quest is enough to keep close person to make sure correct tool is choosen.

But I don't think our buddies were in on the plan.

Most of them didn't I expect. I think Althus know everything as supervisor, Kyle was dick enough to switch side at some point and there is Lobelia. Last one went along with killing. I don't know if she knew, or she just had more to gain from taking their side. Ice mages are usually depicted as quite... as cold as cool.

Of course its speculation, based on way they reacted to Mieren involvement. I think Hero was to much of wildcart for them to keep alive after threat was dealt with.