Nano
Arcane
- Joined
- Mar 6, 2016
- Messages
- 4,650
Except L’Etoile got fired after ME2 and Legion was subsequently butchered by his new writers.He gets fleshed out more in ME3 than ME2 despite not even being a companion.
Except L’Etoile got fired after ME2 and Legion was subsequently butchered by his new writers.He gets fleshed out more in ME3 than ME2 despite not even being a companion.
Yeah I'm remindered of the YT-er Smudboy who said Jacob and Zaeed should be combined into one character, called Zaeed. But still I'd say Bioware would've liked to have at least as big a cast in ME3 but EA wanted them to wrap things up pretty quickly and they rushed the whole thing.ME2 suffered from having so many characters, many of them barely got any involvement at all -- look at Legion, easily one of the most interesting characters in the series but barely gets any screentime in ME2 because he gets recruited so late. He gets fleshed out more in ME3 than ME2 despite not even being a companion.Also, I have a lot of trouble with the writing in all three games, ME1 somewhat less so, but in ME2, putting the main quest aside it's actually got quite a nice amount of decent missions. Pretty predictable for the most part but were else am I going to get this kind of vicarious space opera stuff? It made it extra dissapointing in ME3 when they included way fewer characters and side-missions. God these games suck so much. It's a house of shit built on a solid foundation and it's just sad to see.Does this make ME2 the Last Jedi of the series?
Yes and no. It makes the same baseline mistake of trying to reset the story at the mid point but unlike TLJ it actually has some redeeming qualities. The shooting is genuinely better, the characters are for the most part more interesting(although bullshit at times) and... well thats pretty much it but you get the point. ME2 structurally changes the trilogy into a quadrilogy but Bioware was either too lazy or contractually bound to deliver three games. Either way for all the good it did momentarily it fucked the series in the long term.
ME3 does not have you "gather the troops"
In fact, it's possible for you to have your entire squad at the very start of the game depending on choices you made in ME1 and ME2 and don't have the Javik DLC.
Yeah I'm remindered of the YT-er Smudboy who said Jacob and Zaeed should be combined into one character, called Zaeed. But still I'd say Bioware would've liked to have at least as big a cast in ME3 but EA wanted them to wrap things up pretty quickly and they rushed the whole thing.ME2 suffered from having so many characters, many of them barely got any involvement at all -- look at Legion, easily one of the most interesting characters in the series but barely gets any screentime in ME2 because he gets recruited so late. He gets fleshed out more in ME3 than ME2 despite not even being a companion.Also, I have a lot of trouble with the writing in all three games, ME1 somewhat less so, but in ME2, putting the main quest aside it's actually got quite a nice amount of decent missions. Pretty predictable for the most part but were else am I going to get this kind of vicarious space opera stuff? It made it extra dissapointing in ME3 when they included way fewer characters and side-missions. God these games suck so much. It's a house of shit built on a solid foundation and it's just sad to see.Does this make ME2 the Last Jedi of the series?
Yes and no. It makes the same baseline mistake of trying to reset the story at the mid point but unlike TLJ it actually has some redeeming qualities. The shooting is genuinely better, the characters are for the most part more interesting(although bullshit at times) and... well thats pretty much it but you get the point. ME2 structurally changes the trilogy into a quadrilogy but Bioware was either too lazy or contractually bound to deliver three games. Either way for all the good it did momentarily it fucked the series in the long term.
The illusive man was indoctrinated and nobody in a position of power had a good reason to believe anything you said because officially you died. You shouldn't be alive.ME3 does not have you "gather the troops"
In fact, it's possible for you to have your entire squad at the very start of the game depending on choices you made in ME1 and ME2 and don't have the Javik DLC.
I meant it in the sense that you are basically wrangling the whole galactic community into actually putting up some sort of unified resistance against the reapers. The plot pretends the reapers got the jump on everyone even though previous two games were all about preventing them from doing just that. Its like whatever time passed between ME2 and ME3 was not utilized by any of the space races to expand, prepare or have some sort of contingency plans for this invasion they knew was coming. Most of the mainline missions at least in some way consist of reminding the clowns that they need to stick together, especially now that they are unilaterally getting their assess kicked.
Cerberus stuff no less aggravating as it consist of them kidnapping and sabotaging human rescue efforts to build a army of ground troops... which are worthless when fighting sentient space ships.
They happen only a few months apart.Its like whatever time passed between ME2 and ME3
Meh, I liked ME3 Legion. And his ending scene if you broker peace between the Quarians and Geth is quite well done.Except L’Etoile got fired after ME2 and Legion was subsequently butchered by his new writers.He gets fleshed out more in ME3 than ME2 despite not even being a companion.
Kai could have been more fleshed out.
It didn't miss the point, since the Geth sticking to what made them 'cool and unique' is what led them to worship the Reapers as the pinnacle of AI development in the previous titles.It's not well done! The group consciousness aspect is part of what made the geth cool and unique. Turning it into a Pinocchio story deprived them of that and totally missed the point of what the geth were in ME2.
It's what made *the ME3 version* of the geth follow the Reapers. The writers aren't the same and thus the vision isn't consistent.It didn't miss the point, since the Geth sticking to what made them 'cool and unique' is what led them to worship the Reapers as the pinnacle of AI development in the previous titles.
Legion is a collective individual.It's not well done! The group consciousness aspect is part of what made the geth cool and unique. Turning it into a Pinocchio story deprived them of that and totally missed the point of what the geth were in ME2.
The Geth who were pro-Reaper in the previous titles likewise revered the Reapers in the same manner, so nah.It's what made *the ME3 version* of the geth follow the Reapers. The writers aren't the same and thus the vision isn't consistent.It didn't miss the point, since the Geth sticking to what made them 'cool and unique' is what led them to worship the Reapers as the pinnacle of AI development in the previous titles.
Why do you disagree? Jacob is the one that should be excised. Zaeed was a mercenary. Make HIM the guard at the station for the Lazarus project, barely any changes. And yeah, Zaeed was kinda simple but I can't help but love him.Yeah I'm remindered of the YT-er Smudboy who said Jacob and Zaeed should be combined into one character, called Zaeed. But still I'd say Bioware would've liked to have at least as big a cast in ME3 but EA wanted them to wrap things up pretty quickly and they rushed the whole thing.ME2 suffered from having so many characters, many of them barely got any involvement at all -- look at Legion, easily one of the most interesting characters in the series but barely gets any screentime in ME2 because he gets recruited so late. He gets fleshed out more in ME3 than ME2 despite not even being a companion.Also, I have a lot of trouble with the writing in all three games, ME1 somewhat less so, but in ME2, putting the main quest aside it's actually got quite a nice amount of decent missions. Pretty predictable for the most part but were else am I going to get this kind of vicarious space opera stuff? It made it extra dissapointing in ME3 when they included way fewer characters and side-missions. God these games suck so much. It's a house of shit built on a solid foundation and it's just sad to see.Does this make ME2 the Last Jedi of the series?
Yes and no. It makes the same baseline mistake of trying to reset the story at the mid point but unlike TLJ it actually has some redeeming qualities. The shooting is genuinely better, the characters are for the most part more interesting(although bullshit at times) and... well thats pretty much it but you get the point. ME2 structurally changes the trilogy into a quadrilogy but Bioware was either too lazy or contractually bound to deliver three games. Either way for all the good it did momentarily it fucked the series in the long term.
Zaeed was a great character so I disagree. It's a shame his VA died.
Legion is made up of 1,183 programs. That's why he used the "we".Remember that Legion was tasked with understanding organics, so it's somewhat natural that he would over time develop a different viewpoint than other geth platforms.
I honestly don't remember anything about Jacob at all.Why do you disagree? Jacob is the one that should be excised. Zaeed was a mercenary. Make HIM the guard at the station for the Lazarus project, barely any changes.Yeah I'm remindered of the YT-er Smudboy who said Jacob and Zaeed should be combined into one character, called Zaeed. But still I'd say Bioware would've liked to have at least as big a cast in ME3 but EA wanted them to wrap things up pretty quickly and they rushed the whole thing.ME2 suffered from having so many characters, many of them barely got any involvement at all -- look at Legion, easily one of the most interesting characters in the series but barely gets any screentime in ME2 because he gets recruited so late. He gets fleshed out more in ME3 than ME2 despite not even being a companion.Also, I have a lot of trouble with the writing in all three games, ME1 somewhat less so, but in ME2, putting the main quest aside it's actually got quite a nice amount of decent missions. Pretty predictable for the most part but were else am I going to get this kind of vicarious space opera stuff? It made it extra dissapointing in ME3 when they included way fewer characters and side-missions. God these games suck so much. It's a house of shit built on a solid foundation and it's just sad to see.Does this make ME2 the Last Jedi of the series?
Yes and no. It makes the same baseline mistake of trying to reset the story at the mid point but unlike TLJ it actually has some redeeming qualities. The shooting is genuinely better, the characters are for the most part more interesting(although bullshit at times) and... well thats pretty much it but you get the point. ME2 structurally changes the trilogy into a quadrilogy but Bioware was either too lazy or contractually bound to deliver three games. Either way for all the good it did momentarily it fucked the series in the long term.
Zaeed was a great character so I disagree. It's a shame his VA died.
Exactly. Just one of the many points where you think: what were they thinking? Re-introducing ANOTHER military bonehead in ME3 too. God these games could've been so much better.I honestly don't remember anything about Jacob at all.
And due to studying organics(& help from Shepard, I assume -- I never did a run where I didn't help Legion,) Legion came to understand that the 1,183 programs made up a singular entity("Legion")Legion is made up of 1,183 programs. That's why he used the "we".Remember that Legion was tasked with understanding organics, so it's somewhat natural that he would over time develop a different viewpoint than other geth platforms.
And the upgrade in ME3 made him use 'I' at the end, yeah.Legion is made up of 1,183 programs. That's why he used the "we".Remember that Legion was tasked with understanding organics, so it's somewhat natural that he would over time develop a different viewpoint than other geth platforms.
I honestly don't remember anything about Jacob at all.
Re-introducing ANOTHER military bonehead in ME3 too.
EDI is my robo-waifuRe-introducing ANOTHER military bonehead in ME3 too.
YES! I fucking hate Vega.
I can't stand that guy.
...I also hated they gave EDI the body. At lease she's dead after destroy ending. God bless.
Vega > Jacob.Re-introducing ANOTHER military bonehead in ME3 too.
YES! I fucking hate Vega.
I can't stand that guy.