Money talks - advertisement money, that is

[Solaris]

It's the sheep mentality....quite a common attribute for humans.

I used to get pissed when people lauded shallow games but deep meaningful ones (imo) were trashed. But then I thought 'fuck it' why bother. If they are happy then good for them. There is so much misery in the world who am I to critisize their little piece of happiness

What I do take issue with is devs/publishers that outright lie and bullshit about their games.

 

[BLOBERT]

Jesus, fucking idiot people whining about all the "sheep" remind me of the kids in high school who dressed in all black, looked down on everyone cause they didn't recognize the brilliance of The Cure, and talked alot about anarchy.

Shit, some people just don't give a shit enough about certain things to make a serious effort. Just cause you spend your fucking life obsessing about video games doesn't make you smarter or anything.

 

[shadow9d9]

Jesus, fucking idiot people whining about all the "sheep" remind me of the kids in high school who dressed in all black, looked down on everyone cause they didn't recognize the brilliance of The Cure, and talked alot about anarchy.

Shit, some people just don't give a shit enough about certain things to make a serious effort. Just cause you spend your fucking life obsessing about video games doesn't make you smarter or anything.

You don't need to be obsessed with something to care about its integrity.

Also, people don't seem to care about anything anymore. That is why reality tv and harry potter survives while gems die. It is why politics and corporations are corrupt and nobody cares or does anything about it.

Believe it or not though... people care if they waste money on crap that they thought was great.. even if they don't care much about the actual game.

 

[Lurkar]

Jesus, fucking idiot people whining about all the "sheep" remind me of the kids in high school who dressed in all black, looked down on everyone cause they didn't recognize the brilliance of The Cure, and talked alot about anarchy.

Shit, some people just don't give a shit enough about certain things to make a serious effort. Just cause you spend your fucking life obsessing about video games doesn't make you smarter or anything.

And some people are just retarded. Why should we pander to them?

 

[cardtrick]

God, you people and your compulsive rejection of the popular. Do you really, truly believe that Harry Potter is a sign of the decline of civilization and that people have somehow changed and magically care less than they used to? How can you see what you've typed and not realize that you sound like a petulant child trapped in the life of a bitter old man?

 

[shadow9d9]

God, you people and your compulsive rejection of the popular. Do you really, truly believe that Harry Potter is a sign of the decline of civilization and that people have somehow changed and magically care less than they used to? How can you see what you've typed and not realize that you sound like a petulant child trapped in the life of a bitter old man?

I am most likely younger than you. Harry Potter is garbage and makes a ton of money while brilliance mostly gets cancelled(Firefly, Farscape, BSG just to name a few). Do all things mainstream suck? nope... But a ton of it does.

If you don't care about companies paying for good reviews and don't see the significance of this, then that;s great.. just don't be upset after spending $50 for garbage. In fact, you should blame yourself every time it happens. If more apathetic people like you cared, companies would not be allowed to get away with it.

Why bother being passionate about anything? Just go out and buy the newest dan brown book or reality tv show and enjoy enjoy enjoy! if you need more, go watch law and order 17 and csi 25. Go enjoy Pirates of the carribean and the newest AWESOME BLOCKBUSTER! Work at a 9-5 job making nothing. Enjoy a political environment where your rights are slowly removed and you are surveilled and told what you are allowed to do and not to do. Do not mind when people in third world countries are massacred in the millions-it doesn't affect you , so let's be honest.. why should you care? etc etc.

Enjoy your new mainstream life!

 

[Jaime Lannister]

I'm glad there aren't popular movie review websites.

"OMG U GAVE 300 1 STAR U SHUD B FYRD!"

My point is that game sites shouldn't be afraid to give popular games low scores. Movies that critically bomb can do fantastic at the box office, why should games be different?

 

[FrancoTAU]

I think cardtrick's point was more that the average person has always like average quality stuff. Why keep acting surprised? Rowlings isn't any better or worse than Crichton and Grisham stuff a decade earlier. Current blockbuster films aren't any better or worse than the flicks from the past.

The difference with video games is that it's a new medium. 10 or 20 years ago, the only people who had PCs tended to be smart kids, geeks, whatever you want to call us/them. Now the average kid has a PC and a console. So the game industry has shifted to the same model as books, tv and movies. Big blockbuster games that are mediocre fluff that is mildly entertaining. Finally, we have some signs of a similar indy system

 

[Jaime Lannister]

Big blockbuster games that are mediocre fluff that is mildly entertaining.

Yet the games industry is the only industry where these types of media are critically praised.

 

[FrancoTAU]

Yeah, that's the odd thing. Book and movie critics tend to be the snobs much like we are about video games. I think video game reviewers will follow suit when the gaming industry matures and it's not just children up to 30 year old men playing.

 

[dagorkan]

What is this, are we the Rumor Codex now? Nobody told me.

 

[psycojester]

Sorry wheres the rumour? i thought it was fairly fucking obvious why this guy got axed and we'd already chalked it up as "shit we already know"

 

[kris]

but for someone who just spends an very small proportion of his time on video games, it won't matter shit if the games are not "deep" or not, they'll be perfectly happy to enjoy a "shallow", "flawed" experience. It'll even be better for them because they won't have to invest so much time and efforts to get the results and rewards.

Which game are we talking about, in general or what? If we use Oblivion as example then you are out in deep water, for people whom use a "small proportion of their time on videogames" ain't going to pick up Oblivion. They pick up games that they can finish in an hour or get in an hour. That excludes pretty much all RPGs ever.

 

[larpingdude14]

I spent more than 250 hours in Oblivion.

 

[thesheeep]

I spent more than 250 hours in Oblivion.

Possible, if it's your kind of game. But, really, most players didn't

 

[RK47]

I kinda agree with the 'on average, average is good enough'.

I gave up with convincing my friends not to buy games that fail to deliver what they promise. Most of the time they just told me I'm being too over-critical and just trying to spoil other people's fun.

He put it this way: 'We buy games as a time-killer/waster, if the game had already done so, with some fun involved ofcourse, I can't complain; it's done its purpose'

So what may be 'unfun, meaningless' for us in a medieval / whatever sandbox game world COULD be fun for others, we shouldn't be surprised anymore. Example: Sims 2. Most MMORPG in general.

Heck I realized it when I booted up another F2P MMO that my friend recommended that I must accept different set of standards for this sort of game. It's a time-investment intensive game, it has no world changing event, you must accept you slay monster to gain XP and since its free don't be surprised there are a lot of brats playing. Once I've accepted those as 'unavoidable flaws', the good points seem to have more hold over me.

 

[Herbert West]

Example: Sims 2.

err wut? Sims are fun! I was building levitating houses and starving sims to death. Creating graveyards is also entertaining, but time-intensive, because even when one creates a big family it takes time for them to die in their 2x2 "houses".
Although, when I couldn't find more ways to kill them I dropped the game. Quake is more fun.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

I got sick and tired of having to tell my Sims when to have a shower and when to go to the toilet. If I left them to their own devices they'd never get any work done or learn anything new. They would piss on the floor and fall asleep outside.

 

[Jasede]

sounds pretty realistic to me

 

[muds_animal_friend]

I got sick and tired of having to tell my Sims when to have a shower and when to go to the toilet. If I left them to their own devices they'd never get any work done or learn anything new. They would piss on the floor and fall asleep outside.

I've had similar experiences with games journalists.

 

[koldskaal]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/kane-%26-lynch ... 329529.php

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6183603.ht ... ks;title;1

 

[fastpunk]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/kane-%26-lynch/kane--lynch-site-fibbing-about-reviews-scores-329529.php

:shock: These people have no cheek!

 

[Hümmelgümpf]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/kane-%26-lynch/kane--lynch-site-fibbing-about-reviews-scores-329529.php

I... can't... believe... my... eyes. Eidos will get into some serious trouble when this becomes a common knowledge.

 

[Cassidy]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/kane-%26-lynch/kane--lynch-site-fibbing-about-reviews-scores-329529.php

Don't ask me why I have anti-capitalist and anti-corporate beliefs.


But...


At least there was something to brighten up the mood there, pure gold:

It's just like, when you go to a brick and mortar rental store and you pick up an intriguing dvd because the box art is awesome! On the top of the DVD there is a quote like, "this is the next Shining, a wizz-bang of a time that'll scare you into minced cutlets" and so you are like, I'll give it a whirl. You hurry into the cold night, and take it along with a Constant Gardener type movie (to even out the other movie) to a girl's house. You watch the Constant Gardener type movie an then you lean toward the girl and pop a smile and say, 'oh but look what else balgeary has brought you', with her looking all shiny-eyed. You lean up tauntly and sway sexily to the mintek dvd player and put in this movie that is supposed to be a 'whizz bang' and then you slide, hastily, looking over your shoulder (you don't wanna miss a second of this!) and reach the couch and, 'hey these previews don't look so good', but it's Lion's Gate, right? Why do the previews look like they were shot in digital video? Probably unrelated to the MOVIE you're about to watch with your arm hanging over the girl's breast, limply, swaying-like, and suddenly the movie starts and 'hey what's up with the audio...is it in mono?'... 'oh, hey, why.. what is this 'whizz-bang of a time'...? 'what's going on?'
then you find yourself slinking deathly pale toward the dvd player, looking back at the girl WHOSE BREAST YOU WILL NEVER TOUCH IN THIS LIFETIME BECAUSE OF THIS ABOMINATION YOU RENTED, THIS 'WHIZZZ BANG'...SHE WOULDN'T LET YOU LAY A FINGER ON HER BREAST EVEN IF BY DOING SO YOU COULD CURE BRAIN CANCER'.
So, yeah, I've SEEN THIS GAME BEFORE. If you want to touch a woman, do not buy this game, I guess I'm saying.
None of this happened to me by the way. Just...some friend of a friend...

 

[Xi]

How is it that some people "don't care" and then tell the people who "do care" that they should give up? The people who care are the only element fighting in favor of betterment. Why would someone not want a better game? Sure betterment is subjective, but I trust this idea more than the person who "doesn't care" but ironically cares enough to tell other people they shouldn't care.

Gaming doesn't have to be a lifestyle, or a vice that binds us in specific life changing ways. It's a fucking hobby that some of us prefer. We want better games because gaming has failed to get better to us. We fight the good fight in this respect, by informing blatant worthless masses and vengefully getting our points across regardless of who it hurts. That's the point. The search for the best game, or what it may consist of, is no different than any other search for truth in life. It's a fundamental cycle of patterns that humans follow by nature. I guess the point I'm trying to make, is why would anyone fight against this idea of betterment? Doing so lacks any logic, reason, or heart.

Fucking depressed kids and their lack of moral integrity anymore. Is this really just an attempt to make some of you feel better when you lash back in this illogical way?

Gaming journalism is at the heart of the gaming hobbyists problem. Don't fucking tell us that our fight to enjoy gaming is wrong or pointless. For fucks sake, it's so ironically stupid that you join the debate in a lesser fashion by promoting the "you shouldn't care" because this is how the system works bullshit. Everything waxes and wanes, all patterns shift in function, and most importantly it is the people who bitch and groan that make it happen. They are the chaotic butterfly affect that changes it all.

Sheesh.