Incline Monster Hunter World - G-rank edition. Now on PC.

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Gearing up for the Barioth fight. I hear he's a real mother fucker to deal with. I crafted the High Metal set and fully upgraded it. Seems too good not to go with given the crazy ice resistance and defence bonuses, and ear plugs are always nice. Still trying to figure out which great sword is best to go with. I'm leaning Anjanath sword for the fire damage but my god the affinity and sharpness sucks. Seems like it could either be worth it or completely useless. Also I need to kill a MR Azure Rathalos to get the fully upgraded version which I'm not sure is possible yet at this point in the story?

 

[Elttharion]

Gearing up for the Barioth fight. I hear he's a real mother fucker to deal with. I crafted the High Metal set and fully upgraded it. Seems too good not to go with given the crazy ice resistance and defence bonuses, and ear plugs are always nice. Still trying to figure out which great sword is best to go with. I'm leaning Anjanath sword for the fire damage but my god the affinity and sharpness sucks. Seems like it could either be worth it or completely useless. Also I need to kill a MR Azure Rathalos to get the fully upgraded version which I'm not sure is possible yet at this point in the story?

Just pick the highest raw GS you can craft. GS doesnt really benefit from elemental damage, you will only need one in a specific endgame fight.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Gearing up for the Barioth fight. I hear he's a real mother fucker to deal with. I crafted the High Metal set and fully upgraded it. Seems too good not to go with given the crazy ice resistance and defence bonuses, and ear plugs are always nice. Still trying to figure out which great sword is best to go with. I'm leaning Anjanath sword for the fire damage but my god the affinity and sharpness sucks. Seems like it could either be worth it or completely useless. Also I need to kill a MR Azure Rathalos to get the fully upgraded version which I'm not sure is possible yet at this point in the story?

Just pick the highest raw GS you can craft. GS doesnt really benefit from elemental damage, you will only need one in a specific endgame fight.

Not sure what my highest raw damage sword is atm but if I get that Anjanath sword fully upgraded it will do 1296 raw dmg and 720 fire dmg which seems insane. I'm not sure how much the -30% affinity and blue sharpness will negate all that.

Why is elemental damage junk on great swords?

 

[Elttharion]

Gearing up for the Barioth fight. I hear he's a real mother fucker to deal with. I crafted the High Metal set and fully upgraded it. Seems too good not to go with given the crazy ice resistance and defence bonuses, and ear plugs are always nice. Still trying to figure out which great sword is best to go with. I'm leaning Anjanath sword for the fire damage but my god the affinity and sharpness sucks. Seems like it could either be worth it or completely useless. Also I need to kill a MR Azure Rathalos to get the fully upgraded version which I'm not sure is possible yet at this point in the story?

Just pick the highest raw GS you can craft. GS doesnt really benefit from elemental damage, you will only need one in a specific endgame fight.

Not sure what my highest raw damage sword is atm but if I get that Anjanath sword fully upgraded it will do 1296 raw dmg and 720 fire dmg which seems insane. I'm not sure how much the -30% affinity and blue sharpness will negate all that.

Why is elemental damage junk on great swords?

You can go with either the Great Jagras GS or, if you can do the '50 shades of white' event quest, craft the guild palace GS. Those can carry you through the Iceborne story. Just remember to slap a Elementless Jewel if you use the great Jagras one, that will boost your damage quite a bit since the water in the sword is a hidden element.

Basically there are a lot of hidden values that calculate how much damage you do with each attack (true raw, weakness, hit zones, motion value etc). When you crunch the numbers elemental damage is good on weapons that hit often, IE faster weapons like bow, DB, some CB builds, etc. That is because most of the time it adds a flat damage value to the attack. Raw on the other always hand scales with a thing called motion value. Since GS hits few times but very very hard that flat elemetal value cant keep up with how much more damage you will do considering the game's damage formula. In the cases that the elemental damage also scales with motion value the scaling numbers are generally lower than the ones used to calculate raw damage.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Well that just confused the shit out of me. Now I don't know what I'm doing anymore.

If the cocksucker is weak to fire I'm just going to wack him in the head with a fire sword. Why shit gotta be so complicated?

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Since GS hits few times but very very hard that flat elemetal value cant keep up with how much more damage you will do considering the game's damage formula. In the cases that the elemental damage also scales with motion value the scaling numbers are generally lower than the ones used to calculate raw damage.

So what you're saying is if I went with the fully upgraded Anjanath sword, that 720 fire damage would be canceling out the 1296 raw damage, instead of combining with it? That's just stupid fucking game design. Why would it work like that? The fire damage should be added on top of the weapon's base damage. This is common vidya gaem rule logic 101.

 

[Elttharion]

Since GS hits few times but very very hard that flat elemetal value cant keep up with how much more damage you will do considering the game's damage formula. In the cases that the elemental damage also scales with motion value the scaling numbers are generally lower than the ones used to calculate raw damage.

So what you're saying is if I went with the fully upgraded Anjanath sword, that 720 fire damage would be canceling out the 1296 raw damage, instead of combining with it? That's just stupid fucking game design. Why would it work like that? The fire damage should be added on top of the weapon's base damage. This is common vidya gaem rule logic 101.

No, I think you misunderstood, I meant that you will do much more damage with a pure raw weapon since elemental weapons usually have lower base raw numbers. For example the base Anja GS has 1008 raw plus 480 fire. Great Jagras has 1104 raw and no element. Those would be weapons in the same tier.

Both damage types are combined. The problem is that 1008 and 480 are not the final damage numbers. To reach the final number you will put the elemental damage (480) through a formula and the raw damage (1008) through a different one. The raw damage will have a scaling component called motion value. That component will add a multiplier to the formula. Elemental damage normally lacks that scaling component.

Using the Anja GS vs Great Jagras as an example, the fire damage is pretty much wasted, it will add maybe, in the best case scenario, 15 more damage once you factor in resistances, hitzones, etc. Thats negligible. Once you factor in that the Great Jagras has much higher affinity and much better sharpness it becomes a no brainer.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Okay do the math for me on the Jagras Deathclaw II vs the Lohenzahn keeping in mind that Barioth is weak to fire. Still can't see how the Jagra weapon would outperform it because the Lohenzahn has higher base damage plus the 720 fire damage, which again Barioth has 3 star weakness to.

 

[Elttharion]

Okay do the math for me on the Jagras Deathclaw II vs the Lohenzahn keeping in mind that Barioth is weak to fire. Still can't see how the Jagra weapon would outperform it because the Lohenzahn has higher base damage plus the 720 fire damage, which again Barioth has 3 star weakness to.

Lohenzahn has negative affinity and worse sharpness. Deathclaw II has white sharpness and two gem slots. Slap a elementless gem in one of them and you gain a 5% raw boost.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Okay do the math for me on the Jagras Deathclaw II vs the Lohenzahn keeping in mind that Barioth is weak to fire. Still can't see how the Jagra weapon would outperform it because the Lohenzahn has higher base damage plus the 720 fire damage, which again Barioth has 3 star weakness to.

Lohenzahn has negative affinity and worse sharpness. Deathclaw II has white sharpness and two gem slots. Slap a elementless gem in one of them and you gain a 5% raw boost.

Thank you. I will keep this in mind and do further research. Pretty sure there are ways to improve affinity. I'm using Batman style preparation for this fight. Failure is not an option. I'm making sure there is absolutely no scenario where I can possibly lose.

I've only failed one quest up to this point because I forgot it was a capture quest. And I'm not including the Behemoth fights because he is bullshit and blatant cheating by the gamedevs. He is this game's Malenia.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Honestly I still wanted to go at him with the Lohenzahn but that's not looking possible unless I can somehow encounter a Azure Rathalos during an expedition. There are no quests or investigations or events involving it this early in the story. Fucking Jagras sword it is.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Jagras sword is also off the table. That will take hours of work just to get the Deathclaw I and I probably can't upgrade it to II. The only thing I have currently in inventory that's viable according to Elttharion is the Chrome Deathscythe I. 1056 attack, silver sharpness, and hidden element. So I just need to find a elementless jewel thing and I'll be as ready as ever.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

This elementless jewel is rather hard to come by. Been farming for it for hours now. And you'd think, within the hundreds of hours I've put into the game I would have atleast accidently found ONE by this point. I'm starting to feel bamboozled.

 

[Modron]

Imagine being surprised at the grind in an asian grinding game.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Imagine being surprised at the grind in an asian grinding game.

Nah, I'm starting to think that Elttharion might not be as smart as he's letting on. I've been shredding shit with elemental great swords. I think he's letting his autism get the better of him. The elemental great swords mostly work against the enemies they're meant for. He's right about Anja sword being a piece of shit because of negative affinity and sharpness but everything else he said seems sketchy. I'm not seeing any benefit from going up against a monster with a raw sword vs one it's elementally weak against.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

That was a great strategy, Eltt. Equip a sword that is impossible to upgrade to master rank for Barioth and spend 6 hours farming for a jewel that never drops. You've been a tremendous help. I think it's best I just stop asking questions from now on.

 

[Elttharion]

No good deed goes unpunished

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Well I fought him. It was a hell of a fight that went 50 minutes and I only got carted once. He went to go take a nap and my dumbass didn't have any tranqs so I had to try and kill him in the final minute. ALL I NEEDED WAS TRANQS!!!!! I'm so pissed at myself. What a colossal fuck up.

I spent over 24 hours training my mind and body for that battle. No sleep. And it ended like that.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

I'm making sure the tv stays on that quest fail screen for the rest of the day. That's all I want to see until I pass out. Self-flagellation is the only cure for failue. You need it driven into your soul. Only then can you potentially redeem yourself.

 

[Crayll]

You can clear hunts with either type no problem, but a raw greatsword IS just straight up better than an equivalent elemental greatsword in almost all cases due to how the damage calculations work.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

The Chrome Deathscythe did really well. If I can find that god damned elementless jewel it's easily the best weapon I have currently. Is there a specific quest or monster that drops it more frequently than others?

 

[Elttharion]

The Chrome Deathscythe did really well. If I can find that god damned elementless jewel it's easily the best weapon I have currently. Is there a specific quest or monster that drops it more frequently than others?

The greatest Jagras event quest.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

I beat his ass on my 2nd try, didn't get carted once. I remembered tranq bombs this time, LOL! Hail to the king, baby.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

The Chrome Deathscythe did really well. If I can find that god damned elementless jewel it's easily the best weapon I have currently. Is there a specific quest or monster that drops it more frequently than others?

The greatest Jagras event quest.

I would have loved to have known this ages ago. MFer drops ridiculous amounts of jewels. Thank you.

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

it's on a sale for PS5. How is this shit? Any resemblance to Souls or something?

I think it feels more like Witcher 3 strictly in terms of preparation, but it's better here because preparation actually matters in this game whereas in Witcher 3 I rarely ever felt like I needed to prepare for fights. In this game you get wrecked if you don't prep accordingly. Also it helps that the combat isn't shit like in Witcher 3. It's actually quite good.