Morrowind: Worth a second look?

[hakuroshi]

With MGE Morrowind actually runs faster and looks better. But I would not advise enabling distant land. Not because of fps hit. It simply kills last remnants of immersion. Tha game was not designed to be fogless. When you can see every ruin and tower up to Dagon Fell from Vivec and understand how close they to each other, it just doesn't feel right. MW always reminded me of some theme park, with MGE it's awfully apparent. Without distatnt statics it is OK on horison line, but you must set fog distance far more then ingame setting allows (I think some mod does it) to awoid some weirdness like stronghold springing on flat space ten meters away. And still to deal with seeing how tiny and packed and game-like MW is. It looks worse then Oblivion even if actually larger.

 

[cutterjohn]

With MGE Morrowind actually runs faster and looks better. But I would not advise enabling distant land. Not because of fps hit. It simply kills last remnants of immersion. Tha game was not designed to be fogless. When you can see every ruin and tower up to Dagon Fell from Vivec and understand how close they to each other, it just doesn't feel right. MW always reminded me of some theme park, with MGE it's awfully apparent. Without distatnt statics it is OK on horison line, but you must set fog distance far more then ingame setting allows (I think some mod does it) to awoid some weirdness like stronghold springing on flat space ten meters away. And still to deal with seeing how tiny and packed and game-like MW is. It looks worse then Oblivion even if actually larger.

You're wrong. The best that you can hope for is the same FPS that you would get without MGE. MGE mostly allows adding in distant land to a degree and maintaining similar framerate as it offloads more of the video processing to the GPU while the vanilla MW/netimmerse engine offloads virtually nothing. The game by itself is entirely CPU bound.

Now, it is true that enabling distant lands shows exactly how tiny MW is, as, for example, you can see the Vivec Cantons from Balmora, BUT you CAN either limit the view distance, add fog, and/or add another mod that dynamically adds fog based upon "weather conditions". Bottom line to me though is that MGE improves MW enough for me to interest me in playing around with it again and try some other mods that I had previously ignored while awaiting other new games and/or NWN1 & 2 mods...

 

[Elwro]

Something relieved early on by the MW fps optimizer, and recently by a project completely eliminating the fog, basically allowing Oblivion scale view distance.

I have no problem with view distance in Oblivion, but rather with the fact that if you're e.g. looking across a lake, and there is a tower on the other side, there's no way for you to see it and it'll just pop into view when you come closer. (Gothic 3 managed it great, btw.) Do you know if the last patch for Oblivion (1.2, I think) fixed this issue? Or should one just change the amount of simultanously loaded cells to ridiculous levels in the INI file? (I did that and it solved the "popping in" issue, but (as expected) slowed the game horribly.)

 

[Starwars]

have no problem with view distance in Oblivion, but rather with the fact that if you're e.g. looking across a lake, and there is a tower on the other side, there's no way for you to see it and it'll just pop into view when you come closer. (Gothic 3 managed it great, btw.) Do you know if the last patch for Oblivion (1.2, I think) fixed this issue? Or should one just change the amount of simultanously loaded cells to ridiculous levels in the INI file? (I did that and it solved the "popping in" issue, but (as expected) slowed the game horribly.)

With the patch that came out before Shivering Isles, they fixed some of the textures that are far away to look a bit better (though the usermade are still way better), and also added some kind of 'blur' effect so that you don't see the game switching in new textures when you get closer to a place.
However, I don't think it affected the pop-in of buildings and such.

 

[Elwro]

OK, thanks. I used the usermade textures, so I guess there's no point for me to try 1.2 graphic-wise.

 

[cutterjohn]

Something relieved early on by the MW fps optimizer, and recently by a project completely eliminating the fog, basically allowing Oblivion scale view distance.

I have no problem with view distance in Oblivion, but rather with the fact that if you're e.g. looking across a lake, and there is a tower on the other side, there's no way for you to see it and it'll just pop into view when you come closer. (Gothic 3 managed it great, btw.) Do you know if the last patch for Oblivion (1.2, I think) fixed this issue? Or should one just change the amount of simultanously loaded cells to ridiculous levels in the INI file? (I did that and it solved the "popping in" issue, but (as expected) slowed the game horribly.)

You can a mod or something to allow objects to be rendered farther out, although I understand that the FPS hit is quite high.

 

[Frankie]

Morrowind was different than Daggerfall but I happended to like it.

Sure there were things that were wrong with it, sure it wasn't as fun as Daggerfall was.

However, compared to Oblivion, Morrowind is the best RPG that money can buy. I'm actually thinking about installing it and playing it again.

The story line was great, in my opinion, the factions and the guilds were very good. The combat sucked and it sucked that you have to put away your weapon to use magic, but I can handle that over Oblivion.

With the right Mods Morrowind is a very good game and one that I would recomend.

I know it's not popular with the majority of people here but when compared to Oblivion I wouldn't think twice about playing it.

 

[hakuroshi]

You're wrong. The best that you can hope for is the same FPS that you would get without MGE. MGE mostly allows adding in distant land to a degree and maintaining similar framerate as it offloads more of the video processing to the GPU while the vanilla MW/netimmerse engine offloads virtually nothing. The game by itself is entirely CPU bound.

Now, it is true that enabling distant lands shows exactly how tiny MW is, as, for example, you can see the Vivec Cantons from Balmora, BUT you CAN either limit the view distance, add fog, and/or add another mod that dynamically adds fog based upon "weather conditions". Bottom line to me though is that MGE improves MW enough for me to interest me in playing around with it again and try some other mods that I had previously ignored while awaiting other new games and/or NWN1 & 2 mods...

Maybe I am wrong. But I have a better fps with MGE and better texture packs installed. I don't know how it affects vanilla MW. Nothing fancy though, just keeps fps a bit higher, probably as you say somewhat offloading textures to GPU. An anyway I may just imaging this
I did experiment with view distances and fog, but could not find anything that suited me. A bit more of a fog distance is probably best, original was too small. Still nothing to arose my interest to actually play the game again (though I reinstalled it to try with MGE)

Oblivion on the other hand was designed with long distance view in mind and the scenery looks more or less nice. Popping up objects is another story.

 

[don_tomaso]

Yes, correct me if im wrong, but as I remember it you could actually join all of the rival factions, before the mainquest forced you to, and noone seemed to care about it, even thou they were enemies..Now how´s that for good roleplaying

I don´t belive you.

 

[Comte]

Yes, correct me if im wrong, but as I remember it you could actually join all of the rival factions, before the mainquest forced you to, and noone seemed to care about it, even thou they were enemies..Now how´s that for good roleplaying

I don´t belive you.

Reviving a thread from 2007 nice job faggot.

 

[don_tomaso]

Yes, correct me if im wrong, but as I remember it you could actually join all of the rival factions, before the mainquest forced you to, and noone seemed to care about it, even thou they were enemies..Now how´s that for good roleplaying

I don´t belive you.

Reviving a thread from 2007 nice job faggot.

Ty

 

[Dawkinsfan69]

was gonna give some advice but realized most of the people who posted in this thread probably died of old age by now

 

[DalekFlay]

With MGE Morrowind actually runs faster and looks better. But I would not advise enabling distant land. Not because of fps hit. It simply kills last remnants of immersion. Tha game was not designed to be fogless. When you can see every ruin and tower up to Dagon Fell from Vivec and understand how close they to each other, it just doesn't feel right. MW always reminded me of some theme park, with MGE it's awfully apparent. Without distatnt statics it is OK on horison line, but you must set fog distance far more then ingame setting allows (I think some mod does it) to awoid some weirdness like stronghold springing on flat space ten meters away. And still to deal with seeing how tiny and packed and game-like MW is. It looks worse then Oblivion even if actually larger.

Last time I played I extended the draw distance but not to max. I think the very first town is a good test, because if you can see Vivec (I think?) across the water then the draw distance is too far out. Reign it in and you can have the world feel "right" without the fog wall right in front of you.

 

[Ol' Willy]

It took 13 years for don_tomaso to answer a post in this thread.

His own post.

 

[EldarEldrad]

It took 13 years for don_tomaso to answer a post in this thread.

His own post.

I am already awaiting his hext answer in 2033.

 

[Lacrymas]

I like how he hasn't improved his spelling in 13 years.

 

[DraQ]

was gonna give some advice but realized most of the people who posted in this thread probably died of old age went to Akavir by now

Oh, FFS.

 

[Agame]

Nothing to see here people, move along.

 

[NJClaw]

I like how he hasn't improved his spelling in 13 years.

Not improving yourself is the highest form of self-improvement.

 

[DraQ]

I like how he hasn't improved his spelling in 13 years.

Not improving yourself is the highest form of self-improvement.

Not improving yourself means that you have already achieved perfection.

Spoiler

Or, that you're terminally dumb, it's either-or.

 

[Falksi]

It took 13 years for don_tomaso to answer a post in this thread.

His own post.

I am already awaiting his hext answer in 2033.

"Grimoire 2 is better"

 

[overly excitable young man]

Tbh it wasnt even worth the first look.

 

[Zer0wing]

Worth a second walkthrough with Chaos Heart global mod that includes the Sixth House and makes siding with Dagoth Ur possible... Oh wait, you don't russian, sorry. No, it's not worth any more seconds of your time.

 

[Turjan]

Tbh it wasnt even worth the first look.

It's funny that this was the first page's kingcomrade answer.

 

[overly excitable young man]

kingcomrade was based and redpilled