Move jRPG above ALL ELSE on the main board

[Rean]

I have no fear that the radiant, piercing, overwheming light of the infallible truth will shine in even the darkest of hearts, eventually. jRPG should be the primary consideration on the RPGcodex.

 

[Rean]

Expect the coming years to be chock-full of pozzed western propaganda. Even the most desperate will have nowhere left to go. As you are flooded by Larian's gay black warlocks, Bioware's alien trannies and Owlcat's roided-up man-hating 'women', you will seek and find solace where you need to, just like I did.

 

[Reinhardt]

you will seek and find solace where you need to, just like I did.

in alcohol?

 

[CryptRat]

Making such a thread when 2 different turn-based D&D games with full party creation are getting released. Some people have sense of momentum.

 

[AdamReith]

Making such a thread when 2 different turn-based D&D games with full party creation are getting released. Some people have sense of momentum.

Colony ship?

 

[Reinhardt]

Making such a thread when 2 different turn-based D&D games with full party creation are getting released. Some people have sense of momentum.

I will believe in KotC2 only when i see it myself.

 

[hello friend]

Doesn't matter how good they are, JRPGs won't be playable until they fix their aesthetics. J-games are more offensive to the eye than modern western AAA games, and that's really saying something.

 

[AdamReith]

Doesn't matter how good they are, JRPGs won't be playable until they fix their aesthetics. J-games are more offensive to the eye than modern western AAA games, and that's really saying something.

How very dare you.

 

[downwardspiral]

If you count Elona and lunatic dawn as JRPG.

Sure, why not. Roguelikes are where the real RPG action is imo, and Elona is one of the more impressive ones I've played. Never played Lunatic Dawn, but it looks like whoever made it actually knows the genre outside of other video games.

Lunatic Dawn is a dungeon crawl style JRPGs.
There are two main series.
One is turn based.
One is Real time.
Play differently. Some core mechinics are different.
The core idea is, the game is a sandbox dungeon crawl.

Player only control own character only. But can recruit companion on the road.
All loots are shared between companion. They don't join your party because they want to hang out with you.
Each NPC have their personality and relationship with you.
If it get too bad, they will leave.
You can marry women you like and have child with her.
Buying a house and set up shop, making her barefoot and stay home to sell loots you gained from adventure.

World and NPCs are randomly generated.
There are kingdoms and towns.
Each towns has variables such as prosperity.
You can invest them and making town bigger.
There are many endings.
You can become the king of a kingdom.
Become a god.

You character has age. and will die.
Your child is actually a NPC. You can raise him up and recruit him.
Once you die, you can play as your child and conitnue.
There are doomsday event and angel from heaven.
Something you might need to "solve" in the end time.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

How about we split the jrpg forum off into its own website.

And then don't fund it.

 

[mondblut]

Above all, JRPGs are insufferably railroaded fairytales about insufferably retarded characters, set in mostly retarded worlds, and usually employing retarded game mechanics with bloated numbers and zero thought given to what those numbers are supposed to simulate and represent. The japanese saw Wizardry and Ultima, dutifully copied them without understanding what it's all about, then took the more retarded aspects and turned them up to 11. Until they fix THAT, there is nothing to look forward to.

The problem with "western RPGs" is that over the past 20-25 years they are becoming JRPGs in all but kiddy porn graphics. Whereas "western RPGs" are in sharp spiral downwards, JRPGs are the rock bottom to begin with.

Japanese Wizardry 1 clones can be alright if you can stomach playing the same game over and over again.

That Lunatic Dawn thing sounds like an interesting western RPG, were it available on human languages.

 

[Reinhardt]

The problem with "western RPGs" is that over the past 20-25 years they are becoming JRPGs in all but kiddie porn graphics

So basically "western rpg games" saw jrpgs, dutifully copied them without understanding what it's all about, then took the more retarded aspects and turned them up to 11?
Well, until they fix THAT, there is nothing to look forward to.

 

[mondblut]

Agency and choice are found in gameplay

Except that a typical JRPG doesn't have any either. Wake me when a JRPG allows me to have a party of 4 fighters using whatever equipment I want them to use depending on the situation, instead of 4 unikwe snowflakes each having an exclusive set of his own special equipment with linear progression from shitty to awesomebutton.

 

[Reinhardt]

Wake me when a JRPG allows me to have a party of 4 fighters using whatever equipment I want them to use depending on the situation

Wake me when western rpg game allows it either.

 

[Alex]

How about we split the jrpg forum off into its own website.

And then don't fund it.

Finally a suggestion I can get behind.

 

[Alex]

Wake me when a JRPG allows me to have a party of 4 fighters using whatever equipment I want them to use depending on the situation

Wake me when western rpg game allows it either.

 

[Reinhardt]

Well, remaster of Mass Effect is released so codex is set for next few years. Lots of traffic, lots of new visitors. Who needs some stupid japanese porn games.

 

[Reinhardt]

Wake me when a JRPG allows me to have a party of 4 fighters using whatever equipment I want them to use depending on the situation

Wake me when western rpg game allows it either.

It's australian game, so basically chinese.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Agency and choice are found in gameplay

Except that a typical JRPG doesn't have any either. Wake me when a JRPG allows me to have a party of 4 fighters using whatever equipment I want them to use depending on the situation, instead of 4 unikwe snowflakes each having an exclusive set of his own special equipment with linear progression from shitty to awesomebutton.

Etrian Odyssey does it for example, and even though it's a dungeon crawler it's not exactly a Wizardry clone. What WRPG and JRPG have in common is that most well-known and critically acclaimed titles are made for braindead morons. So you have Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 on the western side and Final Fantasies and Dragon Quests on the JRPG side.

 

[Amurada]

Is that game actually good? I saw some videos of it and it looked funny with how it tries to tell a modern day story with fantasy RPG mechanics, but it seemed more like a joke game, kinda like the South Park RPG and not very deep mechanically.

I had a great time handling the business management segment of the game for my little brother the last time I visited him. He isn't that much of an RPG player (with his only foray into dungeon crawlers for instance being Etrian Odyssey), and he thought Y7 was too goddamn easy -- so I can imagine how dull it would be if I decided to give it a go myself. And as fun as the business management segment of the game was, it was clearly lacking, and I've never played a game in the sub-genre. Would only suggest playing it if you wanted to entertain yourself with the aesthetic/story -- I tend to indulge in games like that from time to time, but Y7 seems too boring for my tastes.

As for SaGa, I would definitely give it a shot. Especially Scarlet Grace and the recent remaster of SaGa Frontier. Would suggest the entire franchise, but I'm not sure how much you would enjoy aspects of the game other than combat. Romancing SaGa 2 for instance, is a very interesting game, but unless you're into the lite-kingdom management the game has to offer as a wrapper to the main campaign, I'd advise against it. Scarlet Grace however, is a definite recommend for the combat alone. I would also suggest emulating Unlimited SaGa and The Last Remnant if you can get your hands on 'em.

 

[mondblut]

Etrian Odyssey does it for example, and even though it's a dungeon crawler it's not exactly a Wizardry clone.

I lost Etrian Odyssey on "random encounter coming in 3... 2... 1... step" counter and every class being not-wizards expected to constantly cast their not-spells for not-mana. Classic jap dumbfuckery

Still, comparing it to JRPGs makes as much sense as comparing Wizardry to ass effect.

What WRPG and JRPG have in common is that most well-known and critically acclaimed titles are made for braindead morons. So you have Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 on the western side and Final Fantasies and Dragon Quests on the JRPG side.

Yet the most well-known and critically acclaimed JRPGs were made for braindead morons from day 1, whereas Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 are a product of 20-30 years long process of dumbing down and sucking up to every new generation of idiots being allowed near computers. Another proof that JRPG are not an alternative to dumbed down RPGs, but the endgame of their "streamlining".

 

[Reinhardt]

Witcher was shit from the start. There was nothing to "dumbing down"

 

[mondblut]

Witcher was shit from the start. There was nothing to "dumbing down"

And before Witcher, the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

You are officially retarded.

 

[CryptRat]

Witcher was shit from the start. There was nothing to "dumbing down"

Yes, but Final Fantasy lost party creation in 1988, which was the point.

 

[Reinhardt]

And before Witcher, the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

You named number yourself. I just pointed that "western rpg games" not declined, most of them already started in the dung.