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NWN2 vs Baldur's Gate
- Thread starter Biges
- Start date
DriacKin
Arbiter
I had a lot of fun with Mask of the Betrayer (the first expansion to NWN2). It was similar to Planescape in a lot of ways.
Also, you should play games like Deus Ex and System Shock 2. I didn't see them on your list of RPGs that you've played.
Also, you should play games like Deus Ex and System Shock 2. I didn't see them on your list of RPGs that you've played.
Krash
Arcane
SS2's a good game, but an RPG?
Deleted member 7219
Guest
Volourn said:
Yes.
Running around empty maps hacking up mobs with a god-awful combat system? It was fucking AWFUL.
nomask7 said:
You refer to me, because I once made an analogy regarding strategy and tactics in RPGs and Chess?
Since you are the selfproclaimed *best* poster on the site, I'll help you to get your information straight.
I'm 33 years old, don't think D&D combat is as awesome as Chess, think that HotU was pretty good and that MotB was great. I r undecided on teh baby shit lol.
Now go and craft one of your brilliant posts with these new facts.
But don't try and lecture me on Chess armed with one or two Wikipedia articles and an out-of-context Fischer one-liner.
Ebonsword
Arcane
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NWN2 is not as good as BG1 or BG2, but it is much better than NWN1.
NWN1 was just awful because D&D is built around having a party, and NWN1 didn't let you create one.
Being party-based, NWN2 avoids that problem nicely.
While I don't think that the art direction, quest creation, or combat are as good in NWN2 as BG2 (or BG1, for that matter), I find that the massive amount of character customization offered by all of the classes, prestige classes, and races makes up for a lot.
NWN1 was just awful because D&D is built around having a party, and NWN1 didn't let you create one.
Being party-based, NWN2 avoids that problem nicely.
While I don't think that the art direction, quest creation, or combat are as good in NWN2 as BG2 (or BG1, for that matter), I find that the massive amount of character customization offered by all of the classes, prestige classes, and races makes up for a lot.
Biges said:
Not necesarrily. I haven't played the second expansion pack, Storm of Zehir, but have heard very mixed things about it. As for the third expansion, Mysteries of Westgate, I played about 7-8 hours and got bored, as the whole experience was just a terribly dull and unimaginative one, at least up until the point where I quit.
So, I recommend going with the original campaing, which is a rpg-lite experience with a somewhat cliched story, but not completely unworthwhile. Then, after completion, move on to MoTB, which is a continuation of the OC campaign, and brace yourself for one of the best roleplaying games in recent times. It has both a great plot and plenty of good opportuneties for roleplay. And an original setting, too.
It's almost as good as BG2 and Planescape, in my very humble opinion.
nomask7 said:
This is your feeble attempt at crafting a *brilliant* post? Kinda weak.
PS: Fischer didn't agree with you, you used one of his quotes out of context to *prove* your nonsense. There's a difference.
PPS: Fischer also said "I don't calculate, I win anyway." So next thing you tell me is that calculating in Chess is not necessary, Fischer said it after all.
nomask7 said:
Fine with me, I don't mind people having different opinions than me.
Edward_R_Murrow
Arcane
NWN2 is like BG2 except without what made BG2 great and all of what brought BG2 down magnified times ten. It is an awful game.
MoTB however, sounds pretty awesome aside from the things I couldn't stomach anymore after the horrorshow that was NWN2. Maybe once basic computers can actually run NWN2 well, and I've forgotten the drek that was NWN2, I'll play that and have some fun.
MoTB however, sounds pretty awesome aside from the things I couldn't stomach anymore after the horrorshow that was NWN2. Maybe once basic computers can actually run NWN2 well, and I've forgotten the drek that was NWN2, I'll play that and have some fun.
Matt7895 said:
Isn't that what's called open ended and non-linear game play?
You don't *have* to explore all the "empty" maps, you know.
And sure, the combat system could be better, but it's still infinitely better than NWN non-tactical ass-view.
Major_Boobage
Scholar
Volourn said:
Hey Volourn, your brain called. It said that you should shut the fuck up.
Serious_Business
Best Poster on the Codex
I love this. NWN had more tactics than BG? You mean the two games that had barely any tactics in them? Yeah, this is a great argument, keep it up you'll get far... paraplegic retard, run faster you might finish this run someday, yessir
racofer
Thread Incliner
Serious_Business said:
BG tactics = X
NWN tactics = Y
Y/X = 1,0000000000000000000000000000000001
There. His point is valid.
Silellak
Cipher
Volourn said:
...what? Do you actually consider a single PC, a single non-directly controllable NPC, and perhaps a pet or two to be a "D&D party"? NWN1 OC was a more boring, more linear 3D Diablo that happened to let you pause the game, the same way BG1 was a boring, less-linear Diablo that happened to let you pause the game, but with a small controllable party.
What exactly are the redeeming features of the NWN1 OC?
NWN2 OC is to NWN1 OC as BG2 is to BG1. Both are far superior to their predecessors in pretty much every conceivable way.
Fuck, I was...20 or so when I played NWN1...and even back then I knew it was a piece of shit. I went so far as to defend it on the official forums due to buyer's remorse after all the hype...but looking back...man what a piss-poor excuse for an RPG. It boggles my mind that even you could defend that travesty.
Volourn
Pretty Princess
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You are a fuckin' retard. You fit right in here.
The fact you defended a game based on hype just proves you are a retard, and can't be taken seriously.
Someone so gullible as to allow OTHERS to form their opinions is a tool, and therefore a retard.
Let the big boys who are capable of making their own decisions do the debating. I don't have time for little boys = that's for other Codexian perverts - I try to discss games with people who have their own brains, and use them.
NWN1 is awesome. Just fuckin' deal with it.
The fact you defended a game based on hype just proves you are a retard, and can't be taken seriously.
Someone so gullible as to allow OTHERS to form their opinions is a tool, and therefore a retard.
Let the big boys who are capable of making their own decisions do the debating. I don't have time for little boys = that's for other Codexian perverts - I try to discss games with people who have their own brains, and use them.
NWN1 is awesome. Just fuckin' deal with it.
Silellak
Cipher
Volourn said:
You're right, I was a fucking retard when I was 20 years old. Almost 7 years ago. Almost a third of my life ago. For the record, I didn't defend it because of the hype. I bought the game because of the hype - along with the fact I'd loved BG2 - and I tried desperately to like it, to the point of convincing myself I actually did. The game was so shitty, that particular illusion didn't last very long.
Let me know if you're ever capable of having a serious conversation, though - or even going so far as to respond to any of the points I've made. My guess is that you'd rather just stick to personal attacks - because that's what all the "big boys" like you do, right?
Jeff Graw
StarChart Interactive
Obvious choice is obvious.
Silellak
Cipher
Volourn said:
Wow, you really don't understand the term "flame", huh? There's only one thing in my initial post that could even remotely quality as a personal attack. As opposed to, you know. Using the word "retard" 3 times in a single post. Like all the "big boys" do, I guess.
Still waiting to hear how NWN1's single PC and single NPC follower qualifies as a "party". Retard.
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