Game News Obsidian Reveals 'Project Eternity' - Kickstarter Live

[TwinkieGorilla]

He generally seems to be whiteknighting and PCing all the time and seems like he could be open to a lot of their "suggestions".

Errr...yeah. It's not exactly a secret he's socially and politically progressive. I know how horrible that must seem to some members, but its not exactly a hidden trait.

 

[Mastermind]

You'll defend FO3 yet refuse to play FO2?

I gave it a try, starter dungeon was so fucking awful I ragequit and uninstalled it.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

I gave it a try, starter dungeon was so fucking awful I ragequit and uninstalled it.

If you're serious please go kill yourself.

 

[Comrade Goby]

He generally seems to be whiteknighting and PCing all the time and seems like he could be open to a lot of their "suggestions".

Errr...yeah. It's not exactly a secret he's socially and politically progressive. I know how horrible that must seem to some members, but its not exactly a hidden trait.

As long as it stays out of his game then his degenerate ways can be tolerated. At least until the fascists come into power and put women and progressives in their place.

Which is gonna happen. You can only push around men so long with your jew bs.

Yet Sawyer's written zero romances in Obsidian games and wrote the Legion, who aren't exactly a "feminazi" faction. So clearly he isn't bringing his politics into the videogames Obsidian make.

Codex is pretty good at finding anything to whine about though, so I'm not that surprised.

Well according to the other thread they're already lobbying him (rope kid) for LGBT and transgender romances on Something Awful and he seems rather responsive e.g.:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...506352&pagenumber=27&perpage=40#post407550144

SomeChump posted:

But yeah, rope kid, for what my $35 is worth, reign in the lame gender stuff Obsidian still shows up occasionally, you read LF so you know this stuff and make the most LGBT friendly and authentically diverse grognard RPG on the market, then you folks'll be legit awesome.​

This is extremely important to me and I still push for it (sometimes literally yelling at people) whenever it comes up.

I hope Obsidian have people with the sense to not toss in such filth. Child rape would be better than tranny foolishness.

 

[Jaesun]

Quoting and discussing stuff with mastermind just makes you out as a complete idiot Twinkie. Just FYI.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Quoting and discussing stuff with mastermind just makes you out as a complete idiot Twinkie. Just FYI.

You call that "discussing"?

 

[Endemic]

What am I meant to say to that exactly, Dexter? Other than the obvious, ie shoehorning such a thing into the project is stupid?

Sawyer managed to include religion in a non-stereotypical manner in Honest Hearts, so I think he's shown enough evidence that he knows where to draw the line when bringing in RL politics to a game.

 

[Makagulfazel]

I hope there's a Staff of Abortions +1.

 

[Jaesun]

And Sawyers favorite game of all time is Darklands.

 

[Endemic]

rope kid posted:

My favorite romance in any game is still Ben and Mo in Full Throttle.

"Whenever I smell asphalt, I think of Maureen. That's the last sensation I had, before I blacked out: the thick smell of asphalt. And the first thing I saw when I woke up was her face. She said she'd fix my bike. Free. No strings attached. I should have known then that things are never that simple. Yeah, when I think of Maureen I think of two things: asphalt... and trouble.

You're a cool guy in my book!

Just a few posts down from that earlier quote. Now can we stop over-analysing every fucking thing he says?

 

[Jaesun]

Anyway, I'm pretty fucking excited. I share the disappointment with the RTwP combat, but it's still a significant incline from any other RPG released in the past few years. Learn to look at the bright side!

They stated specifically they wanted to do classic BG/IWD/Torment like games... which are ALL RTwP.

Yet you were expecting turn-based?

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

At least until the fascists come into power and put women and progressives in their place.

I love when this place becomes a shitty, cartoon version of this place.

 

[Dexter]

What am I meant to say to that exactly, Dexter? Other than the obvious, ie shoehorning such a thing into the project is stupid?

Sawyer managed to include religion in a non-stereotypical manner in Honest Hearts, so I think he's shown enough evidence that he knows where to draw the line when bringing in RL politics to a game.

Eh, I couldn't give a fuck what he thinks or believes, but he seems to want to make the most PC game ever created and apparently cares so much about it that he would "start screaming" at people e.g. doesn't seem to be able to separate his work and his beliefs. He's also already planning on equal and PC race split and whatnot.

TomWaitsForNoMan posted:

I know you have a lot of people throwing all sorts of suggestions at you Rope Kid, but honestly if you have a black/non-white character who is neither a savage warlord nor a mysterious traveller from an exotic land I will be over the moon​

Without going into DEETS, one of the first companions we designed fits the bill.

Frankly if those are some of the most important design decisions and main concerns I don't expect him to even seriously touch any topics like racism or certain scenarios that might be "offensive" to anyone in this game and we get Biowhorian shit or cautionary crap that would fit well as a TV series on "The CW".
Maybe he did have the publishers who wanted to "market" the games previously to contend with and answer to, we will see what is going to be produced while having full control on his own, in the worst case there's still Wasteland 2 xD

I don't get the same vibe from Tim Cain and Avellone regardless of what their sexual preference is or what they believe, I love those guys.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Hey now if it's "heavy-handedness" we're talking about in regards to Sawyer we might have a discussion. I could see that. I'm not the biggest fan of some of his NV contributions to be honest (Caesar's Legion, Honest Hearts, etc) but do dig his take on characters, companions, combat and weapons so for me it's a definite "wait and see" with him. The fact Cain and Avellone are heavily-involved has me completely unworried about this at present though.

 

[zodden]

In for $20.00

Over 17,000 backers in less than 24 hours. Two people donated $10,000 each! Wow can you imagine having that much extra cash to throw around. I think by this time tomorrow it will hit 100%

 

[Jaesun]

Caesar was definitely the... weakest link in NV. It was just not implemented very well, in the way it was presented to the player. There is some GREAT dialogue with him though. But that is about it.

 

[Stinger]

Caesar's main issue is a lack of quest lines and a general lack of presence of the Legion in the game world. That's part of the issue when your dev time is a measly 18 months.

It's hard to make sense of the Legion when all you see is their army and none of their settlements and Sawyer just writing it out on form spring posts doesn't do it justice. But Caesar himself was interesting and I enjoyed the dialogue with him. I don't think the Legion was inherently terrible to the setting like a lot of people do and I'd certainly want to see more of them in the future.

More than NCR I'd say, who have some of the worst, most imperialistic fans I've seen.

Now here's a real recommendation for Eternity:

Stretch Goal # 1: Hire George Ziets, we need more bros on this team

 

[Endemic]

Hey now if it's "heavy-handedness" we're talking about in regards to Sawyer we might have a discussion. I could see that. I'm not the biggest fan of some of his NV contributions to be honest (Caesar's Legion, Honest Hearts, etc) but do dig his take on characters, companions, combat and weapons so for me it's a definite "wait and see" with him. The fact Cain and Avellone are heavily-involved has me completely unworried about this at present though.

CL seemed to be a victim of cut content. Some people will read anything they like into the NV factions\characters though, hell I've seen someone spam the ending videos on YT with comments like the NCR are evil Enclave types, and that the BOS did no wrong, Boone is a Nazi skinhead etc etc.

As for the Kickstarter, looks like they'll hit $750k pretty soon. I'll hold off donating until I hear more specifics.

 

[Jaesun]

Now here's a real recommendation for Eternity:

Stretch Goal # 1: Hire George Ziets, we need more bros on this team

 

[Curious_Tongue]

I gave it a try, starter dungeon was so fucking awful I ragequit and uninstalled it.

Takes a few hours to get into it. The starter dungeon is something we all had to endure, especially us compulsive restarters.

 

[Endemic]

Takes a few hours to get into it. The starter dungeon is something we all had to endure, especially us compulsive restarters.

Helps if you tag melee weapons and have high Agility. Or just run right past the creatures, blow up the wall and steal the key from Cameron instead of fighting him or whatever.

Since someone brought up George Ziets, this is what he had to say about Eternity:

Woooooooooooooo!

That about sums it up.

I loved the Infinity Engine titles, and I am psyched to see an updated version of those games in the works. Plus I know all the guys at the studio, and I'm confident they can pull off a first-class game. Honestly, this is a project that Obsidian was born to create.

They also made a few early decisions that are very smart. For example – not committing to full VO, which can be a tremendous time and money sink (especially on a relatively small budget). Full VO can also cause trouble toward the end of a project, since you generally have to lock down and record dialogue early – and if you realize that a quest needs to change to fix a bug, improve gameplay, or whatever, you’re out of luck.

Another smart decision – the Mature rating. Obsidian’s writers are at their best when they can address complex, adult themes, so they won’t be encumbered by a Teen rating.

This is great news, and I’m impressed by the Kickstarter money they’ve already accumulated in less than a day. Can’t wait to hear more about the game and the world…

 

[Humanity has risen!]

I prefer to give the minimum required to any given project, so I can back as many projects that interest me as I can.

Really hoping there will be a DRM-free option as well though.

 

[sser]

FO2 doesn't even have much of a starter dungeon. You kick a few bugs in the face and next thing you know kids are pelting you with rocks and you're shooting jet with some biker gangs and helping enslave the poor.

 

[Comrade Goby]

Hey now if it's "heavy-handedness" we're talking about in regards to Sawyer we might have a discussion. I could see that. I'm not the biggest fan of some of his NV contributions to be honest (Caesar's Legion, Honest Hearts, etc) but do dig his take on characters, companions, combat and weapons so for me it's a definite "wait and see" with him. The fact Cain and Avellone are heavily-involved has me completely unworried about this at present though.

Yeah Caeser's Legion took things that could be good like slavery and made them out to be absurd.

Like instead of having useful slaves for some reason they had women lugging 90lb backpacks.

Not to mention the rest of the Legion being cartoonishly evil (still the best faction to side with)

 

[Darth Roxor]

And Sawyers favorite game of all time is Darklands.

And we all know how well that game's RTWP ended up

Also, I played through MotB not suffering through any romances. No sight of them in Storm of Zehir and Dungeon Siege 3. Perfectly avoidable in Alpha Brotocol. Haven't played New Vegas for longer than an hour, but as far as I know, it's pretty romance-free as well. This gives me enough assurance that I won't have to stomach Bioware fanfic in this game.