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I don't like Todd as a game designer but he's a decent guy on a personal level, from what little we know about him a a person (knowing little about him is also a good thing, professionals keep their private life and opinions private).

Certainly much better than all the Californians who keep spewing their opinion on Twitter.
 

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I don't like Todd as a game designer but he's a decent guy on a personal level, from what little we know about him a a person (knowing little about him is also a good thing, professionals keep their private life and opinions private).

Certainly much better than all the Californians who keep spewing their opinion on Twitter.

I remember when the SJWs were accusing him of being a conservative a while back because he refused to talk about his political beliefs.

I hate what he's done to Fallout and ES, but I respect his refusal to discuss his personal life.
 

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Sorry for breaking the news to you, rusty, but it's a well known fact: before going into the game development Todd worked as a cheap male prostitute somewhere in Pennsylvania, where he was known as Todd the Marathoner, because of his ability to serve a countless amount of guys during one night. It was exactly during of one of such "Marathons" when Todd was picked up by a one of the Bethesda bigshots, who took a liking to him and suggested to live together and for Todd to work at Bethesda.

This is exactly why Bethesda is able to avoid including much SJW bullshit in their games: with Todd being gay he can safely reject all this stuff and not be accused a sexist.
 
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Sorry for breaking the news to you, rusty, but it's a well known fact: before going into the game development Todd worked as a cheap male prostitute somewhere in Pennsylvania, where he was known as Todd the Marathoner, because of his ability to serve a countless amount of guys during one night. It was exactly during of one of such "Marathons" when Todd was picked up by a one of the Bethesda bigshots, who took a liking to him and suggested to live together and for Todd to work at Bethesda.

This is exactly why Bethesda is able to avoid including much SJW bullshit in their games: with Todd being gay he can safely reject all this stuff and not be accused a sexist.
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Sorry for breaking the news to you, rusty, but it's a well known fact: before going into the game development Todd worked as a cheap male prostitute somewhere in Pennsylvania, where he was known as Todd the Marathoner, because of his ability to serve a countless amount of guys during one night. It was exactly during of one of such "Marathons" when Todd was picked up by a one of the Bethesda bigshots, who took a liking to him and suggested to live together and for Todd to work at Bethesda.

This is exactly why Bethesda is able to avoid including much SJW bullshit in their games: with Todd being gay he can safely reject all this stuff and not be accused a sexist.

This sounds more like a Sir-Tech story.
 

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I don't like Todd as a game designer
Why not? He made games that shaped the industry for decades. His games being not for the codex,doesn't make him bad designer. Also the best part of Bethesda games is the level/world design ;). Oh also mother fucking npc's routines,the most underused thing in rpgs.
 

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He made games that shaped the industry for decades.
Shaped industry in a form of shit, yes. Let's look at the pinnacle of such shaping, Skyshit. Braindead combat. No C&C. Zero reactivity. Idiotic lore and retarded story. Skills and stats doesn't matter. Theme-park world with no coherency whatsoever. But it's popular! Because it's open world and follows a simple, but powerful gameplay loop: exploring, combat, gathering. Explore map, kill people, collect stuff, explore map, kill people, collect stuff, ad infinitum. Like a mobile game. And while this primitive bullshit totally dominates the market, it leaves very little place for better games. Now even Obsidian starts to copy this.
 

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Calling the Director of Morrowind a hack is a stretch.

Director but not Lead Designer (Ken Rolston), compared to Sawyer who was both Director and Lead Designer of New Vegas.
Plus Ol' Willy is right, Morrowind is overrated. The best parts of it are arguably the lore and it predated Morrowind's development.
 

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You mean like any other rpg out there......curb your butthurt mate. As if fallout is not the same shit,you travel to X location,do the quests,kill the enemy and loot all the shit,then you move out to the next part.
Shittesda games are built around combat. Remove combat and there is nothing left. Fallouts have significantly less obligatory combat and there's always some ways to not kill a hundreds mobs to progress. Not to say that Fallout games have better setting, worldbuilding, lore, C&C, reactivity and even without combat there's still a lot to do. What to do in Shittesda games outside of combat? LARPing? Eat your mushrooms and remove you shoes while in house, matey.

And while having a combat-centric RPG is not a bad thing per se, the combat in Bethpizda games is awful. TES games suck at being a melee combat ones (look up to Dark Messiah, Gothic, and, god forbid, Dark Souls games), Fagouts suck at being a FPS games.

Also: he, who receives the butthurt rating is not butthurt; he, who gives is.
 

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whilst good old Todd Howard just makes games, talks about games, and focuses on games (and memes) and ignores everything else. Say what you will about the man, but this is how a professional behaves.
He, who starts as a hack, has no height to fall from. He, who starts as a master, has a long way down awaiting.
C'mon guys, there's no reason to mock Todd's height.
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You mean like any other rpg out there......curb your butthurt mate. As if fallout is not the same shit,you travel to X location,do the quests,kill the enemy and loot all the shit,then you move out to the next part.
Shittesda games are built around combat. Remove combat and there is nothing left. Fallouts have significantly less obligatory combat and there's always some ways to not kill a hundreds mobs to progress. Not to say that Fallout games have better setting, worldbuilding, lore, C&C, reactivity and even without combat there's still a lot to do. What to do in Shittesda games outside of combat? LARPing? Eat your mushrooms and remove you shoes while in house, matey.

And while having a combat-centric RPG is not a bad thing per se, the combat in Bethpizda games is awful. TES games suck at being a melee combat ones (look up to Dark Messiah, Gothic, and, god forbid, Dark Souls games), Fagouts suck at being a FPS games.

Also: he, who receives the butthurt rating is not butthurt; he, who gives is.
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LoL removing combat from any rpg will make it shit....unless it is called disco furry :). Clearly you haven't played Bethesda games and you are just butthurt that they bought out your obscure game back in the end of 20th century.....and made it in to multi million franchise :lol:.

I personalty played B games as open world thief simulator and enjoyed all the thief guild's quests :). Also Elder scroll games do have pretty good lore,tho i doubt you know it since you haven't played them,most likely. Also you are butthurt because your arguments are retarded and general lol. If you spend all your game time waving swords around and killing shit....well i have shocking news for you......the retarded one is you,not the game lol.
 

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LoL removing combat from any rpg will make it shit....unless it is called disco furry :). Clearly you haven't played Bethesda games and you are just butthurt that they bought out your obscure game back in the end of 20th century.....and made it in to multi million franchise :lol:.
Failing to see the difference betwixt "removing combat" which was used as a thought experiment, and "non-obligatory combat". Sad.
Second part is too fat even by TemplarGR standards. Try harder.
Although, if it was obscure, why Bethpizda bought it at all and cargo-cult used all the trademarks from it? That's the thing for you to think out this evening.

If you spend all your game time waving swords around and killing shit....well i have shocking news for you......the retarded one is you,not the game lol.
No, I'm not retarded. He, who plays and enjoys TES games is. I didn't expect you to be a Bethestard, matey.
 

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I'm so glad that Avowed's official announcement finally allows us to combine the Codex's tried-and-true quality posts about Obsidian with its tried-and-true quality posts about Bethesda.
 

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Failing to see the difference betwixt "removing combat" which was used as a thought experiment, and "non-obligatory combat". Sad.
What are you on about? The fuck is "non-obligatory combat"? Most rpgs have generic mandatory combat,having a bunch of meta knowledge about fallout doesn't mean that people when played it for first time,weren't going around and killing shit lol. Also fallout games have shittier combat than any B game buahahahaha.

No, I'm not retarded. He, who plays and enjoys TES games is.
Ahhhh people that tell others what to play and enjoy are obnoxious cunts.

I didn't expect you to be a Bethestard, matey.
I am not,tho people like you do love labelling everyone that disagrees with you as such. B games are decent and entertaining time wasters,they have plenty of good sides,tho not great or even good rpgs. I just don't like people bitching about shit from 12 years ago while stuck in the mud of nostalgia. I enjoy plenty of modern day games,i even prefer ATOM over any fallout game. There is no point looking only backward and constantly moaning and bitching about hurpadurpa Bethesda. It gets tiring reading all that mindless bitching. There is plenty shit B had done and there is plenty of good things. If you actually had an argument outside muh combat ,i wouldn't have cared. At least TemplarGR could do a decent argument,unlike you.
 

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Only thing i dislike about Bethesda games is the general dumbing down of rpg mechanics. That said the rest is solid and entertaining for what those games are.

How dare you enjoy games the Codex doesn't enjoy.

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inb4 I'm accused of playing Skyrim and Fallout 4.
 

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Most rpgs have generic mandatory combat,having a bunch of meta knowledge about fallout doesn't mean that people when played it for first time,weren't going around and killing shit lol.
Fallout doesn't require any metagaming to avoid most of the combat. The choice is up to you - you know, like in RPG genre, where player chooses various stuff. Mariposa and Cathedral in F1 require no combat whatsoever, you can skip all of it if you fancy. Navarro and Oil-Rig in F2 require you only to fight Frankie.

Bethpizda games, though, throw the countless mobs at you at every occasion, with little options but to fight. Even New Vegas, which uses the same crappy engine, has significantly less of obligatory combat and trash mobs while still being entertaining.
 

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